The capitol insurrection and its aftermath

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When I commit a felony I make sure to bring my GPS enabled device along with so I uh... Shit that's dumb
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I can't confirm this, but I have seen claims that when this-all was being coordinated on Parler, people were specifically advised NOT to wear masks.
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Jennifer wrote: 09 Jan 2021, 18:01 I can't confirm this, but I have seen claims that when this-all was being coordinated on Parler, people were specifically advised NOT to wear masks.
Glad that the FBI has already infiltrated. Too bad they didn't tip off the Capitol Police.
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You almost have to admire such firm commitment to principle, though: imagine being so committed to the whole anti-mask-wearing "covid 19 is a hoax" narrative, you refuse to cover your face even when you're engaging in felonious acts on federal property and KNOW you're being recorded!

I would never try storming the capitol or similar things, of course, but if I DID I would try to do so in a non-idiotic way where I have at least a CHANCE of getting away with it. For starters: wear a fucking mask (and be glad this is the first time in literally my entire life where wearing a face-obscuring mask is legal and not even considered weird). Leave my phone, GPS and all other such devices at home (or at least in my DC hotel room; if the FBI talked to me later, I'd admit I went to DC but claim I missed the rally because of a flare-up in my medically documented, "I got scrips for this" chronic-pain condition). Wear mirror sunglasses big enough to cover all of my face not hidden under the mask. Pin up all of my unusual-looking hair and hide every last strand of it under a sung-fitting hat. I'd even buy new-to-me clothes and shoes in styles and colors I usually never wear (including the hat, mask and big mirror sunglasses), and throw them all away as soon as I was done. And likely a couple more things I can't think of right now, but would if I actually took the time to plan a public outing where I'm doing something super-illegal. But I definitely would not run around taking selfies and giving video-recorded interviews to people.

OTOH, a lot of these idiots probably thought their behavior WAS okay, since the POTUS wanted it. And a lot more of them clearly didn't think much at all.
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I'm told this might have been an FBI trap. It's obviously fake, regardless, but I got a laugh at the prospect of trumpsters sending in their locations and crime confessions.
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Jennifer wrote: 09 Jan 2021, 18:48Leave my phone, GPS and all other such devices at home (or at least in my DC hotel room; if the FBI talked to me later, I'd admit I went to DC but claim I missed the rally because of a flare-up in my medically documented, "I got scrips for this" chronic-pain condition).
That and have someone (like a convenient husband) do things with the phone to lend credence to the idea that you were home.
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God damn, it sounds like things could have gone so much worse.



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Trump faces his steepest consequences yet: No PGA tournament at his Bedminster golf club.

https://www.nj.com/sports/2021/01/pga-w ... -says.html
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I thought this in my head as they were getting arrested, I am glad that someone did it. It needs a Ray Liotta voiceover.



Sadly, they're all getting pardoned.
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Jennifer wrote: 08 Jan 2021, 23:23 The woman who was trampled to death also carried a "Don't tread on me" flag to the riot.
One rioter died of a heart attack caused by accidentally repeatedly tasing himself in the testicles.
And the cop killed by Trump supporters was a Trump supporter himself.
Aw, nuts.
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Yes, it was a coup attempt. Here's why.
Fiona Hill served as deputy assistant to the president and senior director for European and Russian affairs on the National Security Council from 2017 to 2019. She is currently a senior fellow in the Center on the United States and Europe at the Brookings Institution.

Since last Wednesday, people have been arguing what to call what happened at the U.S. Capitol — was it a riot? An uprising? An insurrection? I’ve been public in calling it a coup, but others disagree. Some have said it’s not a coup because the U.S. military and other armed groups weren’t involved, and some because Donald Trump didn’t invoke his presidential powers in support of the mob that broke into the Capitol. Others point out that no one has claimed or proved there was a secret plan directed by the president, and that Trump’s efforts to overturn the outcome of the 2020 presidential election could never have succeeded in the first place.

These observations are based on the idea that a coup is a sudden, violent seizure of power involving clandestine plots and military takeovers. By contrast, Trump’s goal was to keep himself in power, and his actions were taken over a period of months and in slow motion.

But that doesn’t mean it wasn’t a coup attempt. Trump disguised what he was doing by operating in plain sight, talking openly about his intent. He normalized his actions so people would accept them. I’ve been studying authoritarian regimes for three decades, and I know the signs of a coup when I see them...
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Goddamn libertarian message board. Hugh Akston

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God I hope that isn't what it looks like. Or just isn't accurate at all. For umpteen million reasons.
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That is extremely disturbing if it's true and if there isn't some decent explanation (I mean, it's still disturbing even if there is some explanation like "we were doing maintenance on the system", but at least there is some reason). I would hope there's some documentation of this one way or another.
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"We were doing routine maintenance and since the replacement parts were caught in a black hole of paperwork overseen by a median federal worker we decided to just delay installation for six to eight months" is something I could totally see. It would also leave a paper trail.

If it's something else....dear God.
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The Capitol Police were seriously understaffed that day, compared to just about any other time ANY sort of public protest was planned there. Something definitely stinks about this.
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Jennifer wrote: 13 Jan 2021, 14:28 The Capitol Police were seriously understaffed that day, compared to just about any other time ANY sort of public protest was planned there. Something definitely stinks about this.
The police have also told the press they were sent home despite expecting overtime, and were never called back.
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thoreau wrote: 13 Jan 2021, 13:39 "We were doing routine maintenance and since the replacement parts were caught in a black hole of paperwork overseen by a median federal worker we decided to just delay installation for six to eight months" is something I could totally see. It would also leave a paper trail.

If it's something else....dear God.
You would also think that, if they have panic buttons set up in congresspersons' offices, and they know that there is maintenance they need to do that puts them out of commission for an extended period of time that 1) the staffers in the office would know that they are out of order and 2) that the entity in charge of security would set up a replacement or backup temporary system.

It could be bureaucratic screwup, but the bureaucracy is also supposed to be set up to deal with these things in the first place.
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Shem wrote: 13 Jan 2021, 14:36
Jennifer wrote: 13 Jan 2021, 14:28 The Capitol Police were seriously understaffed that day, compared to just about any other time ANY sort of public protest was planned there. Something definitely stinks about this.
The police
I am not usually one to believe in capital-c "conspiracies," but -- I really think that in time we'll find out that various members of congress and/or paid staff somewhere in that building were indeed in on the plot. I am particularly suspicious of that Rep. Boebert, who tweeted "1776" that morning, and live-tweeted Pelosi's movements while the mob went through the corridors.

ETA: Cross-posted with your second comment. Yep, something definitely stinks here.
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Boebert is a piece of shit who should be expelled for supporting insurrection, but from what I've seen she didn't actually tweet Pelosi's location. She tweeted that Pelosi was no longer in the room. I doubt that anyone knew where she was going, including the people escorting her. They probably just knew to get her to the next stop and then someone else would take over, so info on her location would be restricted.
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thoreau wrote: 13 Jan 2021, 14:53 Boebert is a piece of shit who should be expelled for supporting insurrection, but she didn't actually tweet Pelosi's location. She tweeter that Pelosi was no longer in the room. I doubt that anyone knew where she was going, including the people escorting her. They probably just knew to get her to the next stop and then someone else would take over, so info on her location would be restricted.
True; I misspoke regarding that. Still, IMO< what she did tweet was bad enough to justify the police looking into her behavior.

Also, I just-now saw that Twitter has locked Boebert's account until after the inauguration, just in case.
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Highway wrote: 13 Jan 2021, 14:37
thoreau wrote: 13 Jan 2021, 13:39 "We were doing routine maintenance and since the replacement parts were caught in a black hole of paperwork overseen by a median federal worker we decided to just delay installation for six to eight months" is something I could totally see. It would also leave a paper trail.

If it's something else....dear God.
You would also think that, if they have panic buttons set up in congresspersons' offices, and they know that there is maintenance they need to do that puts them out of commission for an extended period of time that 1) the staffers in the office would know that they are out of order and 2) that the entity in charge of security would set up a replacement or backup temporary system.

It could be bureaucratic screwup, but the bureaucracy is also supposed to be set up to deal with these things in the first place.
I just want reassuringly normal inexcusable incompetence. It would be a breath of fresh air compared to the current situation.
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