Bryan Fuller is not the Star Trek showrunner

Music, books, movies, TV, games, hobbies, food, and potent potables. And forum games! Pour a drink, put on your smoking jacket, light a pipe (of whatever), and settle in.
User avatar
Fin Fang Foom
Posts: 9539
Joined: 05 May 2010, 22:39

Re: Bryan Fuller is not the Star Trek showrunner

Post by Fin Fang Foom »

the innominate one wrote: 22 Sep 2017, 14:19 Why? Are you not entertained?
No.
User avatar
Warren
Posts: 30854
Joined: 26 Apr 2010, 17:03
Location: Goat Rope MO
Contact:

Re: Bryan Fuller is not the Star Trek showrunner

Post by Warren »

Fin Fang Foom wrote: 22 Sep 2017, 14:20
the innominate one wrote: 22 Sep 2017, 14:19 Why? Are you not entertained?
No.
I was.
mildly
The opinions which are still persecuted strike the majority as so monstrous and immoral that the general principle of toleration cannot be held to apply to them. But this is exactly the same view as that which made possible the tortures of the Inquisition. - Bertrand Russell
User avatar
the innominate one
Posts: 12356
Joined: 17 May 2011, 16:17
Location: hypertime continuum

Re: Bryan Fuller is not the Star Trek showrunner

Post by the innominate one »

Fin Fang Foom wrote: 22 Sep 2017, 14:20
the innominate one wrote: 22 Sep 2017, 14:19 Why? Are you not entertained?
No.
I'm sorry to hear that.
Warren wrote: 22 Sep 2017, 14:24
Fin Fang Foom wrote: 22 Sep 2017, 14:20
the innominate one wrote: 22 Sep 2017, 14:19 Why? Are you not entertained?
No.
I was.
mildly
I'm sorry to hear that.
"Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." -E Benn

"No shit, Sherlock." -JsubD

"now is the time to go fuck yourself until you die." -dhex
User avatar
Jennifer
Posts: 26691
Joined: 28 Apr 2010, 14:03

Re: Bryan Fuller is not the Star Trek showrunner

Post by Jennifer »

Yep, the "alien sex change" episode of The Orville was just plain bad. A female is born in their species an average of once every 75 years, but is given a sex change operation right off the bat, and there's no explanation of just how the hell two males reproduce together, or what "female" even means in a context where two males can reproduce.... bleah.
"Myself, despite what they say about libertarians, I think we're actually allowed to pursue options beyond futility or sucking the dicks of the powerful." -- Eric the .5b
User avatar
dbcooper
Posts: 18883
Joined: 05 May 2010, 15:40

Re: Bryan Fuller is not the Star Trek showrunner

Post by dbcooper »

Jennifer wrote: 22 Sep 2017, 16:00 Yep, the "alien sex change" episode of The Orville was just plain bad. A female is born in their species an average of once every 75 years, but is given a sex change operation right off the bat, and there's no explanation of just how the hell two males reproduce together, or what "female" even means in a context where two males can reproduce.... bleah.
Yeah, I only watched about 15 mins of it.
Slip inside a sleeping bag.
User avatar
Eric the .5b
Posts: 15533
Joined: 26 Apr 2010, 16:29

Re: Bryan Fuller is not the Star Trek showrunner

Post by Eric the .5b »

Haven't seen it; don't have cable and Fox won't stream that one unless you "link a tv provider", at least not within 8 days of airing or something silly. :P
"Better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer."
Cet animal est très méchant / Quand on l'attaque il se défend.
User avatar
Sandy
Posts: 9984
Joined: 26 Apr 2010, 18:03
Location: In the hearts of little children, clogging their arteries.

Re: Bryan Fuller is not the Star Trek showrunner

Post by Sandy »

Season 1 of the Orville is so far better than season 1 of ST:TNG. Fite me.
Hindu is the cricket of religions. You can observe it for years, you can have enthusiasts try to explain it to you, and it's still baffling. - Warren
User avatar
the innominate one
Posts: 12356
Joined: 17 May 2011, 16:17
Location: hypertime continuum

Re: Bryan Fuller is not the Star Trek showrunner

Post by the innominate one »

That may be true, but that doesn't necessarily mean it's worth watching.
"Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." -E Benn

"No shit, Sherlock." -JsubD

"now is the time to go fuck yourself until you die." -dhex
User avatar
the innominate one
Posts: 12356
Joined: 17 May 2011, 16:17
Location: hypertime continuum

Re: Bryan Fuller is not the Star Trek showrunner

Post by the innominate one »

Star Trek: Discovery is online on CBS All Access.
"Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." -E Benn

"No shit, Sherlock." -JsubD

"now is the time to go fuck yourself until you die." -dhex
User avatar
Jennifer
Posts: 26691
Joined: 28 Apr 2010, 14:03

Re: Bryan Fuller is not the Star Trek showrunner

Post by Jennifer »

ST:D (heh heh heh heh heh) was pretty good but, as Jeff pointed out, there is no reason whatsoever why it needs to be a prequel If anything, it would've worked better after the previously existing series ended -- like, the Klingons disappeared after the Dominion War, everyone figured they'd been wiped out, and only now does the federation find out what happened to them....
"Myself, despite what they say about libertarians, I think we're actually allowed to pursue options beyond futility or sucking the dicks of the powerful." -- Eric the .5b
User avatar
lunchstealer
Posts: 19401
Joined: 26 Apr 2010, 17:25
Location: The Local Fluff in the Local Bubble

Re: Bryan Fuller is not the Star Trek showrunner

Post by lunchstealer »

#MQGA

Sooo holy shit is the CBS All Access app super shitty on Roku. Constant crashes, sometimes crashing the Roku itself. I'm not shelling out for a premium streaming service that has one show I want that I can only watch on a goddamned laptop or tablet.
"Dude she's the Purdue Pharma of the black pill." - JasonL

"This thread is like a dog park where everyone lets their preconceptions and biases run around and sniff each others butts." - Hugh Akston

"That's just tokenism with extra steps." - Jake
User avatar
the innominate one
Posts: 12356
Joined: 17 May 2011, 16:17
Location: hypertime continuum

Re: Bryan Fuller is not the Star Trek showrunner

Post by the innominate one »

MQGA?

ST:D was ok. A bit boring, despite the attempts to spice things up with violence and Klingons. The show is called Discovery, but it's going to be another Starfleet goes to battle series? No thanks. I think I'm over Star Trek and Star Wars.

The CBS app is ok on Android using a Chromecast. Not great. Yeah, if there's only one show on the whole network you want to watch, then there's not much point in paying money for access. Looking over the CBS show offerings, I might stop paying for the service. I do like not having to watch commercials, even thought it's a few extra $$. The only show with new episodes being produced on CBS that I want to watch regularly is Elementary. I like procedurals, but they're pretty much played out and have run much longer than their producers' imaginations. There are the CBS archives, though. Twin Peaks, Perry Mason, Cheers. Sabrina the Teenage Jailbait. They also have some classic movies I'll never watch, like Alfie, Roman Holiday, Ordinary People. Clue: The Movie.
"Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." -E Benn

"No shit, Sherlock." -JsubD

"now is the time to go fuck yourself until you die." -dhex
User avatar
Eric the .5b
Posts: 15533
Joined: 26 Apr 2010, 16:29

Re: Bryan Fuller is not the Star Trek showrunner

Post by Eric the .5b »

Jennifer wrote: 25 Sep 2017, 01:23 ST:D (heh heh heh heh heh)
I see people using "ST:DSC" to avoid that (and keep it consistent with the other abbreviations).

Of course, a lot of forum software doesn't care about the lack of spaces and puts a " :D " in it in either version.
"Better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer."
Cet animal est très méchant / Quand on l'attaque il se défend.
User avatar
Jennifer
Posts: 26691
Joined: 28 Apr 2010, 14:03

Re: Bryan Fuller is not the Star Trek showrunner

Post by Jennifer »

I'm pretty much fed up with the idea of prequels in general. There are so many fascinating ways the Star Trek universe story could've continued after where Voyager and DS9 left off, but instead all they've been doing is prequels, and fairly boring ones at that -- if they must go over history, I'd be far more interested in such things as "So, how the hell did the Borg get started anyway?" rather than "How did Kirk and Spock first meet?" and "What was Kirk like as a kid?" and "What was the Federation like before Kirk's era" and whatnot.
"Myself, despite what they say about libertarians, I think we're actually allowed to pursue options beyond futility or sucking the dicks of the powerful." -- Eric the .5b
User avatar
Fin Fang Foom
Posts: 9539
Joined: 05 May 2010, 22:39

Re: Bryan Fuller is not the Star Trek showrunner

Post by Fin Fang Foom »

Yeah, beyond First Contact, there's little fertile ground in"prequel" stories.
User avatar
Warren
Posts: 30854
Joined: 26 Apr 2010, 17:03
Location: Goat Rope MO
Contact:

Re: Bryan Fuller is not the Star Trek showrunner

Post by Warren »

Fin Fang Foom wrote: 25 Sep 2017, 18:59 Yeah, beyond First Contact, there's little fertile ground in"prequel" stories.
Axanar looked good till the goddamned fucking lawyers goddamned fucking lawyer fucked it.
The opinions which are still persecuted strike the majority as so monstrous and immoral that the general principle of toleration cannot be held to apply to them. But this is exactly the same view as that which made possible the tortures of the Inquisition. - Bertrand Russell
User avatar
lunchstealer
Posts: 19401
Joined: 26 Apr 2010, 17:25
Location: The Local Fluff in the Local Bubble

Re: Bryan Fuller is not the Star Trek showrunner

Post by lunchstealer »

Whoa. Klyden = Cutty.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0170968/?ref_=tt_cl_t9

(and Tyreese and Frederick Johnson)
"Dude she's the Purdue Pharma of the black pill." - JasonL

"This thread is like a dog park where everyone lets their preconceptions and biases run around and sniff each others butts." - Hugh Akston

"That's just tokenism with extra steps." - Jake
User avatar
lunchstealer
Posts: 19401
Joined: 26 Apr 2010, 17:25
Location: The Local Fluff in the Local Bubble

Re: Bryan Fuller is not the Star Trek showrunner

Post by lunchstealer »

BTW, does anyone else want to see Cdr. Grayson start sitting down by stepping over the back of every chair?
"Dude she's the Purdue Pharma of the black pill." - JasonL

"This thread is like a dog park where everyone lets their preconceptions and biases run around and sniff each others butts." - Hugh Akston

"That's just tokenism with extra steps." - Jake
User avatar
Sandy
Posts: 9984
Joined: 26 Apr 2010, 18:03
Location: In the hearts of little children, clogging their arteries.

Re: Bryan Fuller is not the Star Trek showrunner

Post by Sandy »

lunchstealer wrote:Whoa. Klyden = Cutty.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0170968/?ref_=tt_cl_t9

(and Tyreese and Frederick Johnson)
I think you mean he's The Butcher of Anderton Station.
Hindu is the cricket of religions. You can observe it for years, you can have enthusiasts try to explain it to you, and it's still baffling. - Warren
User avatar
dbcooper
Posts: 18883
Joined: 05 May 2010, 15:40

Re: Bryan Fuller is not the Star Trek showrunner

Post by dbcooper »

Slip inside a sleeping bag.
User avatar
dbcooper
Posts: 18883
Joined: 05 May 2010, 15:40

Re: Bryan Fuller is not the Star Trek showrunner

Post by dbcooper »

Having watched the RLM review, this is what I think happened:

The producers/execs realised that the pilot scripts they had, and the season outline, were almost completely focussed on the main character. The main character is poorly developed and unappealing (autistic, unsympathetic, uninteresting), and the actress is mediocre. They also had no male human characters, and no eye-candy - low audience appeal.

So, they've got a turkey on their hands, but it's too late to start from scratch, and too much has been made of the "groundbreaking" lead. They need to find a way to change the lead character's behaviour, and introduce a human male co-lead to take over. Hence we have the dumb mutiny, the subsequent life sentence in prison, and the pilot being a prequel to the real pilot (ep 3 or 4). The lead has to rebuild herself under the direction of an English male actor (good for hamming it up), among a new cast. Now they need their Jeri Ryan. Hopefully by the end of the first season the "Michael" character will be about 3rd in importance.
Slip inside a sleeping bag.
User avatar
the innominate one
Posts: 12356
Joined: 17 May 2011, 16:17
Location: hypertime continuum

Re: Bryan Fuller is not the Star Trek showrunner

Post by the innominate one »

Is it bad if I liked the Michael character, except her name?
"Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." -E Benn

"No shit, Sherlock." -JsubD

"now is the time to go fuck yourself until you die." -dhex
User avatar
dbcooper
Posts: 18883
Joined: 05 May 2010, 15:40

Re: Bryan Fuller is not the Star Trek showrunner

Post by dbcooper »

the innominate one wrote: 30 Sep 2017, 23:50 Is it bad if I liked the Michael character, except her name?
Disagreeing with me is always bad.
Slip inside a sleeping bag.
User avatar
Sandy
Posts: 9984
Joined: 26 Apr 2010, 18:03
Location: In the hearts of little children, clogging their arteries.

Re: Bryan Fuller is not the Star Trek showrunner

Post by Sandy »

the innominate one wrote:Is it bad if I liked the Michael character, except her name?
Weird. I saw nothing likable in any of the reviews, but I didn't watch it and won't until it comes out on blu-ray or Netflix. What did you find appealing?
Hindu is the cricket of religions. You can observe it for years, you can have enthusiasts try to explain it to you, and it's still baffling. - Warren
User avatar
the innominate one
Posts: 12356
Joined: 17 May 2011, 16:17
Location: hypertime continuum

Re: Bryan Fuller is not the Star Trek showrunner

Post by the innominate one »

She's not unattractive. She gave the impression of competence and intelligence. Her judgement about the Klingons was correct. She used logic to persuade the computer to release her from custody.

Overriding or ignoring commands from a superior officer in the interest of the greater good was something Kirk did regularly. He stole the Enterprise, broke McCoy out of custody and violated a no-fly zone. Then he blew up the Enterprise. And that was just in one movie.
"Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." -E Benn

"No shit, Sherlock." -JsubD

"now is the time to go fuck yourself until you die." -dhex
Post Reply