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Number 6 wrote: 19 Jan 2021, 21:19 Queens Gambit
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Who else is still watching The Expanse?

I liked it enough to read the books.

Now I'm triply pissed off. Don't want to give spoilers but wtf, hubby tells me one actor got fired so they had to kill the character.

And as for the books, I feel like the authors themselves lost the plot.

Why can't anything just stay good forever?
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lshap wrote: 03 Feb 2021, 22:32 Who else is still watching The Expanse?

I liked it enough to read the books.

Now I'm triply pissed off. Don't want to give spoilers but wtf, hubby tells me one actor got fired so they had to kill the character.

And as for the books, I feel like the authors themselves lost the plot.

Why can't anything just stay good forever?
I'm still watching it. The actor in question got slammed with dozens of MeToo allegations.

It was/is only going to last one more season, anyway, and my son tells me the books are very good if you haven't had your fill of the story by next year.

Five years ago, I pleaded with people who like sci-fi films and television to watch it if only because it had fabulously high production values compared to any other TV sci-fi I'd ever seen. What a difference five years makes! The PVs are still high, but they're roughly on a par with most subsequent television sci-fi as CGI costs have dropped and, I would guess, because The Expanse raised the bar.
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I agree with you especially in how they handle battle scenes. They're gripping and I don't know why.

That said, now that I've read 6 of the books I'm both pleased and disappointed. Generally they did a good TV adaptation but this last season was very soap opera imho.

And after next season they're screwed anyway, because the authors jumped forward 30 years for reasons I can't fathom... unless they were unhappy with the series.
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I started off saving up some episodes and hoping that mrs lunch would catch up, but she won't and I got busy with stupid crap and so now I'm gonna churn through the full S5 in pretty much one fell swoop.
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lshap wrote: 03 Feb 2021, 22:32 Who else is still watching The Expanse?

I liked it enough to read the books.

Now I'm triply pissed off. Don't want to give spoilers but wtf, hubby tells me one actor got fired so they had to kill the character.

And as for the books, I feel like the authors themselves lost the plot.

Why can't anything just stay good forever?
FUUUUUUUCK!
I was saving this week's ep for tonight and made the mistake of Googling and totally spoiled it.

I haven't read the books. LOVED the first three seasons. Love the visuals, but more than that, love the world building, and the way they "keep it real" (zero-g & high-g e.g.)

I thought last season was a decline, but I'm lovin this one (Til now, doh!). This will sound kind of weird but I pretty much loved all of the show except everything to do with the proto-molocule (I know right? But it was just too much). But then when the Ring got built I was like "Ohhh, so that's the payoff. Neat!"

Now that we're back to Solar System Realpolitik, I'm digging it again.
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I like Amos as a character. Not as ground breaking as Spock the logical Vulcan, but still pretty unique. It's fascinating to see him wanting to be an ethical guy but not knowing what that means, and deciding he should find and ethical person and follow them.
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I agree, Warren. One thing the show did amazingly well was casting Amos and Bobbie. Both are able to be exactly as written, and I find them to be some of my favorite characters ever! Many of their lines are verbatim from the books.

Amos is empathetic and lovable, even vulnerable, despite basically being a sociopath. Meanwhile Bobbie is actually as strong and tough as any male warrior, physically and mentally, without being masculine. Very impressive how they rode those lines.

In all, the books and show are worth it, just for those two characters. (Holden is mostly a device in both. Drummer is an amalgam. Naomi is quite a bit different.) Even if it sometimes feels like they cribbed the plot from Mass Effect.
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lshap wrote: 04 Feb 2021, 08:59 Amos is empathetic ... despite basically being a sociopath.
Those two things are mutually exclusive.
I'd say he's a sociopath with a strong desire to be a decent person. He want's to be good, he just doesn't know how.
Meanwhile Bobbie is actually as strong and tough as any male warrior, physically and mentally, without being masculine.
Mostly agree. Though I don't think Bobbie is actually as strong as any male warrior. She works out and keeps in shape, but she relies on her Martian tech to kick ass, else the ass she's kicking is a civilian or desk jockey officer.
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Warren wrote: 04 Feb 2021, 10:00
lshap wrote: 04 Feb 2021, 08:59 Amos is empathetic ... despite basically being a sociopath.
Those two things are mutually exclusive.
I'd say he's a sociopath with a strong desire to be a decent person. He want's to be good, he just doesn't know how.
Meanwhile Bobbie is actually as strong and tough as any male warrior, physically and mentally, without being masculine.
Mostly agree. Though I don't think Bobbie is actually as strong as any male warrior. She works out and keeps in shape, but she relies on her Martian tech to kick ass, else the ass she's kicking is a civilian or desk jockey officer.
Sociopaths lack empathy themselves, which is what Amos displays. They can be empathetic to the audience.

With the benefit of reading the books, I can say with certainty that Bobbie is one of the strongest Martians, period. She's also 7 feet tall and 300 lbs of muscle, though, which isn't something you couldn't cast. They came as close as they could. (They describe her as a Polynesian beach bunny, blown up proportionately 200 percent).
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lshap wrote: 04 Feb 2021, 11:06 With the benefit of reading the books, I can say with certainty that Bobbie is one of the strongest Martians, period. She's also 7 feet tall and 300 lbs of muscle, though, which isn't something you couldn't cast. They came as close as they could. (They describe her as a Polynesian beach bunny, blown up proportionately 200 percent).
Well that's just dumb. I can see growing tall under the low Martian gravity, but the only way she bulks up to 300lbs is if they're giving her male hormones, in which case she loses that beach bunny figure.
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I'm now worried about another character dying. I'm afraid to Google. The last ep I watched was the one where Naomi gets back to her own ship after, ummm... visiting Marco and Phillip; S5E8. Watching the last two eps this coming weekend is going to be nerve wracking.

Drummer has turned into one of my fav characters. Amos definitely; Bobbie is kinda meh for me, I'll admit. I have a problem with Avasarala which is extremely petty - I have a tough time understanding what the fuck she's saying half the time because Shohreh Aghdashloo's accent is so heavy. I haven't read the books, so the character portrayal, mannerisms, and motives are all fine as shown. I think Aghdashloo is a fine enough actress and she's made that part her own. From a few things I've seen about her, she really enjoys playing Avasarala, and it sometimes shows, which makes me happy. But that accent is tough... hoo boy. Totes petty annoyance.
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lshap wrote: 03 Feb 2021, 23:45 this last season was very soap opera imho.
Yeah, I found myself only really into the Amos/Peaches storyline, much as I love Bobbie. Alex annoys me, so I'm not sad he's gone. Overall I wasn't thrilled with the season but I liked the last episode and the set up to the next season, I can't wait! Kinda wish I hadn't googled "Duarte Laconia" because I totally spoilered myself.

But it's still the most (I know this sounds funny) realistic portrayal of near-future space combat and flight physics. Though it does make me curious about the energy required to fire those rail guns (as well as tote around the weight of the bullets) vs. future development of directed energy weapons. I like that they used rail instead of pew-pew guns but I would expect that with no atmosphere to fight through and fusion power on every ship powerful lasers would be viable weapons, and you wouldn't have to drag around all that extra mass.
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This season of The Expanse has been pretty damned boring. Breaking up the crew was the worst mistake of the books. Very dumb to repeat it.
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Ok, finished up S5 of The Expanse this weekend.

No spoilers - but what a weird/dumb way to kill off a character. Even my wife was like, wtf.

It's like the writers came back from lunch and said "We're done with this character. Just have them be still, staring off into the distance, and after the scene is shot, escort them off the property."
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Jasper wrote: 08 Feb 2021, 13:10 Ok, finished up S5 of The Expanse this weekend.

No spoilers - but what a weird/dumb way to kill off a character. Even my wife was like, wtf.

It's like the writers came back from lunch and said "We're done with this character. Just have them be still, staring off into the distance, and after the scene is shot, escort them off the property."
More accurately, "We're done with this actor. Figure out some way to show his character's death without having to ask him to participate in a scene about his own demise." And I suspect the actor was, if not shown the gate, told he was unwelcome to return to the studio.
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The more of The Stand I watch, the more it does feel like watching the Cliffs Notes of something longer. I still like it, but it starts to feel really rushed.
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All Creatures Great and Small reboot.
I doubt many of you will remember the Brit-com/drama that aired on PBS low these many years ago. There are also some books, I haven't read them.

Siegfried and James are nearly identical to the original show. Tristan and Mrs. Hall, while written much the same are played quite different. Helen seems like the same character, but the courtship is very different. Tricky Woo is of course easy to cast, and replace if necessary. But I don't know what they're going to do about Mrs. Pumphrey. Casting Dianna Rigg was inspired, until she was tragically taken from us.
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Oh, I'm happy to hear that finally dropped. I'd heard about it a while ago. I was a fan of the PBS show and even read a few of his books afterward becasue of it.
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Jasper wrote: 18 Feb 2021, 10:44 Oh, I'm happy to hear that finally dropped. I'd heard about it a while ago. I was a fan of the PBS show and even read a few of his books afterward becasue of it.
The production values are higher, and make for a more enjoyable watch. Can't say the writing or acting is better. I wish I could remember the original show better. From what I do remember, the stories are similar with some very significant differences. As an aside, I think the new Tristan would have worked a thousand times better sandwiched between the Bakers.
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Warren wrote: 18 Feb 2021, 11:17
Jasper wrote: 18 Feb 2021, 10:44 Oh, I'm happy to hear that finally dropped. I'd heard about it a while ago. I was a fan of the PBS show and even read a few of his books afterward becasue of it.
The production values are higher, and make for a more enjoyable watch. Can't say the writing or acting is better. I wish I could remember the original show better. From what I do remember, the stories are similar with some very significant differences. As an aside, I think the new Tristan would have worked a thousand times better sandwiched between the Bakers.
I re-watched a couple of episodes of the original on AZN Prime. Haven't had a chance to watch the new one yet. The old one was clearly of a different era, but was still charming.
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Warren wrote: 18 Feb 2021, 09:30 All Creatures Great and Small reboot.
I doubt many of you will remember the Brit-com/drama that aired on PBS low these many years ago. There are also some books, I haven't read them.
I sure do! Tween me had SUCH a crush on Tristan.
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My wife and son are fond of the reboot. It's fine? Charming I guess.
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dhex wrote: 21 Feb 2021, 14:16 My wife and son are fond of the reboot. It's fine? Charming I guess.
I mean. If you want to watch a show about a Scottish Veterinarian circa WWII, it's great. If that's not your thing, then it's not going to be your thing.
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I voraciously read his books as a young'un; I remember enjoying them but not much else. Except that I recommend reading them while sitting next to a warm fire sipping something toasty because vast, vast parts of being a rural British vet involved going out in the middle of the night in the freezing cold and getting wet up to your elbows (or beyond) for hours and hours on end. Brrrrrrrrr.
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