When journalism goes bad

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thoreau wrote: 16 Mar 2021, 15:56
Number 6 wrote: 16 Mar 2021, 15:37That was, unsurprisingly, especially true of TV 'journalists.'
You mean models in slightly more practical clothes?
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wasn't paywalled on my phone but is on my desktop...i'll see if i can find an archive copy somewhere
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dhex wrote: 22 Mar 2021, 13:00 wasn't paywalled on my phone but is on my desktop...i'll see if i can find an archive copy somewhere
Wasn't paywalled on my desktop using firefox with privacy badger until I closed it and re-opened it in another tab so I could quote a few bits to reply to this post. Reopened in Chrome and got through at least on the first try.

The lede is -
The scandal broke in The Wall Street Journal, two and a half years ago. Three self-described "left-leaning liberals" had fooled feminist and gender studies journals to accept a number of “absurd and horrific’” hoax papers for publication. One paper was billed as a rewrite of a chapter from Hitler’s "Mein Kampf," but using feminist theory.

Peter Boghossian, James Lindsay and Helen Pluckrose’s endeavors were praised in some quarters as an essential satire of fashionable jargon and theories, and a brave expose of academic journals’ openness to publishing "intellectually vacuous as well as morally troubling bullshit," as Yascha Mounk put it.

and the general thrust of the article is to examine the paper that they submitted claiming to have gotten feminists to publish 'Mein Kampf' with nazism replaced with feminism and that they're full of shit because they'd altered it so much that it was basically unrelated to Mein Kampf at all.

Basically they took the least objectionable chapter of the book, one not on what nazis believe but on how they could effectively communicate their nazi message to start with, because in the hoaxsters own description the other chapters were too extreme to be useful, so they started off by cherry picking the absolute easiest part rather than really challenging the feminists to detect the really evil Hitlery stuff.

Then the article compares actual passages and removes the bits that were changed by the author, what you're left with isn't even a Mad Libs thing,
It is surprising, to say the least, that none of the journalists reporting on the controversy actually bothered to compare the two texts. If they'd done so, they would have found that the Affilia article didn't contain anything that could be recognized as "Mein Kampf" even by a Hitler expert, let alone a lay person.

The best way to illustrate this is to highlight a section of what remained of Hitler's text, spread out as it was over several paragraphs on several pages:
[…] to appeal to […] contented and satisfied, […] to embrace […].

[…] half-measures, by […] a so-called objective standpoint, […] the goal […]. That is to say, […] in the sense […] many limitations, […]. […] countered only by an antidote, […] only the […]. […] people […] neither […] nor […]. […] abstract knowledge […] directs their […]. […] is where their […] lies. […] receptive […] in one of these two directions […] never to a […] between the two.

[…] emotional […] stability. […] than respect, […] is more […] than aversion, […] weakness) […], […] will […] power.

The future of a movement is […].
The lacunae between these preserved pieces of text were filled with material that was either re-written, or entirely new (including references to bona fide scholarship). This created the convincing illusion of an original philosophy paper. Neither the words nor the intent were comparable to "Mein Kampf"; indeed, the intent was the very opposite.

If the idea was to showcase the 'absurdity' of feminist theory, and the ideology-fueled laxity of editors, why didn’t they choose to work from a much more ideological or racist part of "Mein Kampf," say chapter 11: Volk und Rasse ("People and Race") instead? Well, Lindsay told Rubin, revealingly, it was "too extreme" to be useful.

If the point of the experiment was to prove that radical theory was so unhinged it could pass as Nazism, they failed. If the point was to hoodwink a feminist journal to run "Mein Kampf" dressed up as feminist theory, but denatured the text to be unrecognizable from the original, then they didn’t prove their contention at all.


and they finish that last paragraph with what I think sums up the article best.
What they did prove was that there are workaday sentences with nouns and verbs and adjectives in "Mein Kampf" that can be repurposed.
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thoreau wrote: 23 Mar 2021, 14:37 Here's some local reporting on the suspect, FWIW.

https://www.denverpost.com/2021/03/23/b ... wi-alissa/

I don't know if he's mentally ill, but one way or another his issues seem more personal than ideological.
From that article:
Alissa purchased a Ruger AR-556 pistol seven days before the attack, according to a police affidavit released Tuesday.

He bought the gun on March 16. The weapon, which looks similar to a rifle, has a 30-round capacity and is sold with a long brace billed as a way to improve accuracy, according to Ruger’s website.
They acknowledge getting the info from Ruger's website, but they missed that it says "rifle" right in the title of the page? And it's a "pistol" with a "long brace" that "looks similar to a rifle"...I feel that we are dealing with someone who knows how to string words together into a roughly grammatical form, but not what any of the words actually mean.
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JFC Fox News, her *niece*? Really? Having to reach a little far dontcha think?
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dead_elvis wrote: 23 Mar 2021, 17:57 JFC Fox News, her *niece*? Really? Having to reach a little far dontcha think?

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Yah for fucks sake there are more than enough people who pulled that shit that you don't have to go after a person because of who their parent's sister is.
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I mean, I'm an asshole in all sorts of ways, but nobody's faulted my aunts and uncles over it.
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dead_elvis wrote: 23 Mar 2021, 17:57 JFC Fox News, her *niece*? Really? Having to reach a little far dontcha think?

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Meena Harris is sorta a ‘somebody’ in her own right and has a fairly sizeable Twitter presence (still less than a million followers though)
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lunchstealer wrote: 23 Mar 2021, 19:39
dead_elvis wrote: 23 Mar 2021, 17:57 JFC Fox News, her *niece*? Really? Having to reach a little far dontcha think?

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Yah for fucks sake there are more than enough people who pulled that shit that you don't have to go after a person because of who their parent's sister is.
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Facts and evidence are tools of white supremacy.
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Warren wrote: 24 Mar 2021, 11:41 Facts and evidence are tools of white supremacy.
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JD wrote: 23 Mar 2021, 15:05
They acknowledge getting the info from Ruger's website, but they missed that it says "rifle" right in the title of the page? And it's a "pistol" with a "long brace" that "looks similar to a rifle"...I feel that we are dealing with someone who knows how to string words together into a roughly grammatical form, but not what any of the words actually mean.
IDRTFA, and not to get too deep into the weeds here, but these are actually a thing. The combination of how the ATF defines firearms, individual states' laws, and manufacturers' marketing info are to blame for even someone like me, who enjoys firearms and shooting, to be completely befuddled as to what certain combinations of features get defined as.

I suspect that what the dude had was a rifle-caliber (5.56 NATO or .223 Remington) pistol with a forearm brace. Basically, an AR-15 platform upper & lower receiver, a barrel too short to be classified as a 'rifle' or 'short barrel rifle', and a contraption designed to strap to your forearm as you hold the pistol-grip, in place of where the stock attaches. So for all intensive porpoises, something that looks like a short "assault rifle" supposedly designed to fire while holding with one hand.

CT calls a variant of these "Others", based on the wording of our local laws. You can't buy a new AR-platform rifle here, but you can buy or build an AR-platform 'Other'.

I'd actually be willing to give the reporter props for trying to describe it correctly.
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Jasper wrote: 25 Mar 2021, 13:39
JD wrote: 23 Mar 2021, 15:05
They acknowledge getting the info from Ruger's website, but they missed that it says "rifle" right in the title of the page? And it's a "pistol" with a "long brace" that "looks similar to a rifle"...I feel that we are dealing with someone who knows how to string words together into a roughly grammatical form, but not what any of the words actually mean.
IDRTFA, and not to get too deep into the weeds here, but these are actually a thing. The combination of how the ATF defines firearms, individual states' laws, and manufacturers' marketing info are to blame for even someone like me, who enjoys firearms and shooting, to be completely befuddled as to what certain combinations of features get defined as.

I suspect that what the dude had was a rifle-caliber (5.56 NATO or .223 Remington) pistol with a forearm brace. Basically, an AR-15 platform upper & lower receiver, a barrel too short to be classified as a 'rifle' or 'short barrel rifle', and a contraption designed to strap to your forearm as you hold the pistol-grip, in place of where the stock attaches. So for all intensive porpoises, something that looks like a short "assault rifle" supposedly designed to fire while holding with one hand.

CT calls a variant of these "Others", based on the wording of our local laws. You can't buy a new AR-platform rifle here, but you can buy or build an AR-platform 'Other'.

I'd actually be willing to give the reporter props for trying to describe it correctly.
Agree with this, it's the SBR workaround using a thing that is definitely not a stock but is rather an arm brace. I have see 3 position arm braces that don't actually clamp on anyone's arm, so ... yeah. It's a game to still call the thing a pistol using the feds own language against them.
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From an article about USians struggling with a property in Baja that was owned by someone who died in 2007 without a will, sparking a battle that seems to be ending with people losing the ability to enjoy "their" resort "property" (quotes because people are warned all the time about the murkiness around property rights when USians buy in Mexico). I mean who writes "close to heaven" in a context that implies a geographic location.

(Fun Fact: Close to Heaven and South of Ensenada was the working title of Slayer's first draft of South of Heaven, back when they were starting out as a surf rock band called "Araya and the Surf Slayers")

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