No Sandwich is Safe: The Joe Biden Presidency

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I have supreme confidence that even without the filibuster, Congress will find a way to worm out of doing their job.
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Jadagul wrote: 25 Jan 2021, 21:54 If you think it's bad that the government can do things/make decisions, the filibuster is nice as another way of the government failing to do things or make decisions.

If you think it's important for the government to be able to act, then the filibuster is a giant middle finger with no real principled justification.
Prior to Moscow Mitch's extreme abuse (and the lesser abuse by Shumer in aught-7/8) and the rise of hard-core primary challenges to anyone engaging in across-the-aisle cooperation, it was a way to stop the worst stuff that a majority might do, and force them to compromise. Compromise has completely collapsed, so now instead of being a tool to force compromise, the filibuster is a tool to bring the gears to a complete halt.

I hate to see it go, because it did once serve a purpose, but ... this is why we can't have nice things.

I almost want to bring earmarks back just to give some incentive to bargain and put together something to keep the most rabid GOP primary voters (and to a lesser extent the DemSocs, but they still seem to be mostly marginalized in Team Blue) at bay.

'90s era gridlock was a better thing than its '10s/'20s counterpart seems to be.

Honestly, make the fuckers do the grandstanding on the floor thing, or otherwise impose some cost to filibustering without getting rid of it entirely, but if it keeps going as a get-out-of-cooperation-free card, it's gonna be smothered.
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lunchstealer wrote: 26 Jan 2021, 12:30'90s era gridlock was a better thing than its '10s/'20s counterpart seems to be.
This is true of many things.
Honestly, make the fuckers do the grandstanding on the floor thing, or otherwise impose some cost to filibustering without getting rid of it entirely, but if it keeps going as a get-out-of-cooperation-free card, it's gonna be smothered.
I could go with that.
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lunchstealer wrote: 26 Jan 2021, 12:30 ...the filibuster is a tool to bring the gears to a complete halt.
Best of all possible worlds.
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Uhhh...what does "direct descendant" mean to other people?

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nicole wrote: 26 Jan 2021, 14:45 Uhhh...what does "direct descendant" mean to other people?
I was today years old when I learned that all of our previous presidents were of 100% Native American ancestry.
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TBF she is the first VP who is all of those things.
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Hugh Akston wrote: 26 Jan 2021, 15:57 TBF she is the first VP who is all of those things.
If only there were some kind of rule of punctuation usage that could have made that clearer.
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If only there were some kind of rule of punctuation usage that could have made that clearer.
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You know, I was just ranting about the Oxford comma on Tumblr

(which I assume is what you're referring to)

But there is no way that introducing a comma there would change the way anyone parses that sentence.
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It says she is the "direct descendantS" so either she has Dissociative Identity Disorder or else she's three very short cops in a trench coat
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lunchstealer wrote:
Jadagul wrote: 25 Jan 2021, 21:54 If you think it's bad that the government can do things/make decisions, the filibuster is nice as another way of the government failing to do things or make decisions.

If you think it's important for the government to be able to act, then the filibuster is a giant middle finger with no real principled justification.
Prior to Moscow Mitch's extreme abuse (and the lesser abuse by Shumer in aught-7/8) and the rise of hard-core primary challenges to anyone engaging in across-the-aisle cooperation, it was a way to stop the worst stuff that a majority might do, and force them to compromise. Compromise has completely collapsed, so now instead of being a tool to force compromise, the filibuster is a tool to bring the gears to a complete halt.

I hate to see it go, because it did once serve a purpose, but ... this is why we can't have nice things.

I almost want to bring earmarks back just to give some incentive to bargain and put together something to keep the most rabid GOP primary voters (and to a lesser extent the DemSocs, but they still seem to be mostly marginalized in Team Blue) at bay.

'90s era gridlock was a better thing than its '10s/'20s counterpart seems to be.

Honestly, make the fuckers do the grandstanding on the floor thing, or otherwise impose some cost to filibustering without getting rid of it entirely, but if it keeps going as a get-out-of-cooperation-free card, it's gonna be smothered.
I find quite a bit to like from here. I think part of my view is colored by my experience from the UK, where parties would run on an agenda and then pass it. Sometimes you get shit policies, but the voters get what they ask for good and hard (read: Brexit).

I think my main issue with the filibuster is that it went from a barrier to the worst excesses of a narrow majority to a barrier to even modest legislation. I wonder if there are any charts showing how many bills passed with less than a filibuster proof majority by Congress.
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Hugh Akston wrote: 26 Jan 2021, 15:57 TBF she is the first VP who is all of those things.
She still needed a white man to break the glass ceiling for her though.
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Jasper wrote: 27 Jan 2021, 09:02
Hugh Akston wrote: 26 Jan 2021, 15:57 TBF she is the first VP who is all of those things.
She still needed a white man to break the glass ceiling for her though.
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Hugh Akston wrote: 26 Jan 2021, 15:57 TBF she is the first VP who is all of those things.
"Kamala Harris is the first vice president who is Black, South Asian, female and the direct descendants of immigrants, and an oxygen-breathing mammal."
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JD wrote: 27 Jan 2021, 09:49
Hugh Akston wrote: 26 Jan 2021, 15:57 TBF she is the first VP who is all of those things.
"Kamala Harris is the first vice president who is Black, South Asian, female and the direct descendants of immigrants, and an oxygen-breathing mammal."
She's also a eukaryote, but I don't discriminate against eukaryotes. Some of my best friends are eukaryotes.
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Aresen wrote: 27 Jan 2021, 10:56
JD wrote: 27 Jan 2021, 09:49
Hugh Akston wrote: 26 Jan 2021, 15:57 TBF she is the first VP who is all of those things.
"Kamala Harris is the first vice president who is Black, South Asian, female and the direct descendants of immigrants, and an oxygen-breathing mammal."
She's also a eukaryote, but I don't discriminate against eukaryotes. Some of my best friends are eukaryotes.
You know who else was a eukaryote.
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US strategic bombers fly over Persian Gulf, first show of force under Biden

I see it's back to business as usual for the US...
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JD wrote: 27 Jan 2021, 17:44 US strategic bombers fly over Persian Gulf, first show of force under Biden

I see it's back to business as usual for the US...
NATURE IS HEALING!!!!

(Until we scar the landscape with some bombs.)
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JD wrote: 27 Jan 2021, 17:44 US strategic bombers fly over Persian Gulf, first show of force under Biden

I see it's back to business as usual for the US...
First show of force by Biden, sixth time this has happened since, um...November.

So this is is something we've been doing every few weeks for almost the last three months.
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We should be glad it’s just some dick waving instead of bombs.
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Hey Andrew, time to dust off the resume?




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Christ. A new detention facility for immigrant kids.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national ... story.html
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thoreau wrote: 23 Feb 2021, 13:26 Christ. A new detention facility for immigrant kids.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national ... story.html
By a different agency with a better record for treatment of these kids. Mind, at this point, I almost think the CIA would take better care of these kids than ICE.

Not sure what else we could expect. It was never a plausible goal for these kids not to be in federal custody; they were in previous administrations. The goal was to stop separating families and keeping children in shitty conditions. Nobody's going to engage in the immigration reform necessary to avoid "having" to detain people for crossing a damn border.
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