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To start things off, I understand Austin hasn't met the post-retirement 'cooling off time' requirement for a military officer to become Secretary of Defense, but I there seems to be a lot of opposition I don't understand.

Joe Biden nominated retired four-star General Lloyd Austin as secretary of defense
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I don't want to be the guy who plays the "he's black" card, but...he's black?

But considering that Team Blue spent the past four years flapping their jowls in dismay about the erosion of presidential norms, it's not a great look for the POTUSe to ask for a waiver on a perfectly reasonable hiring restriction on his first day.
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It is indeed a perfectly reasonable hiring restriction, but he's black, so the Blues have to support a waiver.
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"Back to normalcy" just means "our guys get to do this now".
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It's crazy. He's putting the band back together. It's going to be like some Sitcom set in Assisted Living.
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I’ve only seen opposition to the Sec Def nomination from the left and center left, on the overall principles of civ-mil relations & a desire for bright lines between them. There’s also a contingent that really wanted a woman.
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Kolohe wrote: 16 Dec 2020, 10:41 I’ve only seen opposition to the Sec Def nomination from the left and center left, on the overall principles of civ-mil relations & a desire for bright lines between them. There’s also a contingent that really wanted a woman.
Put me in the Civ/Mil is hard line DO NOT CROSS column. I don't care about melanin content or shape of genitalia.
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The Mayor of South Bend for a Cabinet post? Really?
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thoreau wrote: 16 Dec 2020, 11:17 The Mayor of South Bend for a Cabinet post? Really?
I have to admit I don't know the typical/median/first-standard-deviation backgrounds for Cabinet-level positions. But maybe they're trying to build the resume of a likeable and popular centrist to make sure that AOC isn't the only young star in the party?

He's gonna have to up his TikTok and Twitch cred if he wants to beat AOC.
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lunchstealer wrote: 16 Dec 2020, 12:12
thoreau wrote: 16 Dec 2020, 11:17 The Mayor of South Bend for a Cabinet post? Really?
I have to admit I don't know the typical/median/first-standard-deviation backgrounds for Cabinet-level positions. But maybe they're trying to build the resume of a likeable and popular centrist to make sure that AOC isn't the only young star in the party?

He's gonna have to up his TikTok and Twitch cred if he wants to beat AOC.
I kind of took it as the other way with Mayor Pete. This is the equivalent of sending him to Timbuktu, getting him out of the way, and preventing him from building a higher stature in the party. Transportation Secretary is so unimportant that it seems like half the time in the past 30 years, it's been given to someone who's even of the other party.
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Highway wrote: 16 Dec 2020, 12:24
lunchstealer wrote: 16 Dec 2020, 12:12
thoreau wrote: 16 Dec 2020, 11:17 The Mayor of South Bend for a Cabinet post? Really?
I have to admit I don't know the typical/median/first-standard-deviation backgrounds for Cabinet-level positions. But maybe they're trying to build the resume of a likeable and popular centrist to make sure that AOC isn't the only young star in the party?

He's gonna have to up his TikTok and Twitch cred if he wants to beat AOC.
I kind of took it as the other way with Mayor Pete. This is the equivalent of sending him to Timbuktu, getting him out of the way, and preventing him from building a higher stature in the party. Transportation Secretary is so unimportant that it seems like half the time in the past 30 years, it's been given to someone who's even of the other party.
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I mean, seriously, it's so unimportant they gave it to Mitch McConnel's wife as a bribe to keep him on board with the Trump administration.
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Highway wrote: 16 Dec 2020, 12:33 I mean, seriously, it's so unimportant they gave it to Mitch McConnel's wife as a bribe to keep him on board with the Trump administration.
Yeah, but she also had a more relevant resume, and that's even leaving out her time as Labor Secretary.

Mayor Pete should have been made Ambassador to Tiny Islandia.
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What's your problem with The Butt? He's one of the few politicians more anodyne than Uncle Joe hisself.
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Matty Y has thoughts you guys

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Hugh Akston wrote: 16 Dec 2020, 12:55 What's your problem with The Butt? He's one of the few politicians more anodyne than Uncle Joe hisself.
Running a large organization with regulatory authority is a job for people with relevant experience.

I still believe in meritocracy.
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thoreau wrote: 16 Dec 2020, 12:48
Highway wrote: 16 Dec 2020, 12:33 I mean, seriously, it's so unimportant they gave it to Mitch McConnel's wife as a bribe to keep him on board with the Trump administration.
Yeah, but she also had a more relevant resume, and that's even leaving out her time as Labor Secretary.

Mayor Pete should have been made Ambassador to Tiny Islandia.
After the major cabinet positions (State, Defense, Homeland Security, Justice, Treasury) it isn't as though there is much on the line requiring expertise. Are you a bureaucrat? Do you know how to oversee a bureaucracy? Do you understand that everything really important will be decided in the West Wing, where you will rarely visit? Congratulations! You're qualified to be a Cabinet Secretary.

I don't think it's a bad move for the guy. One thing DoT does do is funnel sweet, sweet federal funds to states for roads, highways, etc. People care about roads (in Texas they care about them more than schools) and Buttigieg can spend a couple years making contacts, collecting favors and staying out of trouble. Then a run for governor in Indiana and he's much better poised to be taken seriously if he wants another shot at the big job.

Honest, being ambassador to some important nation is lots more fun. You are, as they say in the military, far from the flagpole, your job is as much ceremonial as administrative and both your embassy staff and the host nation pretend you're really, really important. But it's crappy experience for a climber. You save those jobs for people who gave the big bucks and want to take a prestige break before going back to their regular job.
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thoreau wrote: 16 Dec 2020, 13:05
Hugh Akston wrote: 16 Dec 2020, 12:55 What's your problem with The Butt? He's one of the few politicians more anodyne than Uncle Joe hisself.
Running a large organization with regulatory authority is a job for people with relevant experience.

I still believe in meritocracy.
In political appointment?

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D.A. Ridgely wrote: 16 Dec 2020, 13:09 Honest, being ambassador to some important nation is lots more fun. You are, as they say in the military, far from the flagpole, your job is as much ceremonial as administrative and both your embassy staff and the host nation pretend you're really, really important. But it's crappy experience for a climber.
Which is why I want that piece of shit McKinsey climber to have such a job. Because one of my cow-orkers is a former McKinsey guy.
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thoreau wrote: 16 Dec 2020, 11:17 The Mayor of South Bend for a Cabinet post? Really?
I think you're underestimating how useful having the Fox News whisperer in change of the infrastructure agency would be for getting an infrastructure plan done.
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D.A. Ridgely wrote: 16 Dec 2020, 13:09
thoreau wrote: 16 Dec 2020, 12:48
Highway wrote: 16 Dec 2020, 12:33 I mean, seriously, it's so unimportant they gave it to Mitch McConnel's wife as a bribe to keep him on board with the Trump administration.
Yeah, but she also had a more relevant resume, and that's even leaving out her time as Labor Secretary.

Mayor Pete should have been made Ambassador to Tiny Islandia.
After the major cabinet positions (State, Defense, Homeland Security, Justice, Treasury) it isn't as though there is much on the line requiring expertise. Are you a bureaucrat? Do you know how to oversee a bureaucracy? Do you understand that everything really important will be decided in the West Wing, where you will rarely visit? Congratulations! You're qualified to be a Cabinet Secretary.
And the other important stuff will be decided in the sub-administrations. But Matty Y does make a good point about Transportation not being about transit, and if MayoPete was legit doing the smart stuff for improving density and flexibility in housing and all the zoning stuff that's required to make transit even workable, then he actually understands some of the policy problems there. And Highway can correct me if I'm wrong, but one thing a mayor of a mid-sized city at the center of a modest but not insignificant combined metro area would have to pay attention to is road projects, and the hoops you'd have to jump through to get them rolling, and what impact they can have on other city policies.

I think he might actually be qualified for the non-aviation and non-shipping stuff.
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lunchstealer wrote: 16 Dec 2020, 13:56
D.A. Ridgely wrote: 16 Dec 2020, 13:09
thoreau wrote: 16 Dec 2020, 12:48
Highway wrote: 16 Dec 2020, 12:33 I mean, seriously, it's so unimportant they gave it to Mitch McConnel's wife as a bribe to keep him on board with the Trump administration.
Yeah, but she also had a more relevant resume, and that's even leaving out her time as Labor Secretary.

Mayor Pete should have been made Ambassador to Tiny Islandia.
After the major cabinet positions (State, Defense, Homeland Security, Justice, Treasury) it isn't as though there is much on the line requiring expertise. Are you a bureaucrat? Do you know how to oversee a bureaucracy? Do you understand that everything really important will be decided in the West Wing, where you will rarely visit? Congratulations! You're qualified to be a Cabinet Secretary.
And the other important stuff will be decided in the sub-administrations. But Matty Y does make a good point about Transportation not being about transit, and if MayoPete was legit doing the smart stuff for improving density and flexibility in housing and all the zoning stuff that's required to make transit even workable, then he actually understands some of the policy problems there. And Highway can correct me if I'm wrong, but one thing a mayor of a mid-sized city at the center of a modest but not insignificant combined metro area would have to pay attention to is road projects, and the hoops you'd have to jump through to get them rolling, and what impact they can have on other city policies.

I think he might actually be qualified for the non-aviation and non-shipping stuff.
He also has executive experience, which could prove useful in directing the people running the FAA and Federal Boaty Whatever who do know what they're doing in those areas.
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Butt is taking this job so he can run for VA governor in 2022.
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Yeah I see this as working ok for Pete because it gets him out of his dead end in Indiana and in a situation where he gets federal experience on his resume and then he can pull a Hilary and pick his own state constituency.
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Hey, I totally get why this is a great deal for Buttigieg. If the only question is whether a Cabinet post would be good for the person who gets the job then philosophically we are on the same page as my cow-orkers critiquing meritocracy!

My question is whether it's a good idea to put someone with his limited experience in charge of a federal department.
Mo wrote: 16 Dec 2020, 20:25 Butt is taking this job so he can run for VA governor in 2022.
Fo you mean Indiana?
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