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Number 6 wrote: 10 Dec 2020, 13:53
Jennifer wrote: 10 Dec 2020, 09:24 Jeff and various of his colleagues might be among the first to receive the vaccine, after medical workers, because they are "essential workers" who work on-site. Whereas I'll be among the last vaccine recipients: under 65, no co-morbidities, and no super-important job. Which means there is going to be an indeterminate amount of time wherein Jeff can go places while I'll still be stuck at home.
Sorry to piggyback on your gripe with another, but I won’t be far ahead of you. The fact that I spend good parts of my day in a 6x10 box breathing the same air as covid patients, and performing medical procedures on them doesn’t qualify me as a front-line health care worker. We’re in the second wave. When I inadvertently sicken or kill a relative, I’ll take solace in the fact that I contracted the disease not being a front line health care worker, but merely someone who performs medical procedures on the front lines in the perfect disease incubator.

Thanks, fuckers.*


*Fuckers in this case being the vaccine distribution people.
Jesus Christ that's insane. Are you on an ambulance crew or a fire truck crew these days? If it were fire truck crew I'd think it was an understandable but still negligent oversight that they just didn't remember that fire trucks often respond to medical calls in case they get there faster than the ambulance. If ambulance workers aren't on the top list or at least in the same batch as the 70-80 population that's nuts and damn near criminally negligent.
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Number 6 wrote: 10 Dec 2020, 13:53
Jennifer wrote: 10 Dec 2020, 09:24 Jeff and various of his colleagues might be among the first to receive the vaccine, after medical workers, because they are "essential workers" who work on-site. Whereas I'll be among the last vaccine recipients: under 65, no co-morbidities, and no super-important job. Which means there is going to be an indeterminate amount of time wherein Jeff can go places while I'll still be stuck at home.
Sorry to piggyback on your gripe with another, but I won’t be far ahead of you. The fact that I spend good parts of my day in a 6x10 box breathing the same air as covid patients, and performing medical procedures on them doesn’t qualify me as a front-line health care worker. We’re in the second wave. When I inadvertently sicken or kill a relative, I’ll take solace in the fact that I contracted the disease not being a front line health care worker, but merely someone who performs medical procedures on the front lines in the perfect disease incubator.

Thanks, fuckers.*


*Fuckers in this case being the vaccine distribution people.
Fucking WHAT?! I figured someone like you would be among the first in line, well ahead of Jeff and the others at his TV facility.
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Over 50% of the FDNY said they wouldn't get the COVID vaccine if the department offered it. This despite the data showing that firefighters are much more likely than average residents to be infected.

If I were mayor, I'd be saying, "You can take the vaccine*, or you can look for a new job" but I doubt that's going to happen.
*assuming that there are enough doses to go around and firefighters are adjudged high enough in priority
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lunchstealer wrote: 10 Dec 2020, 14:25
Number 6 wrote: 10 Dec 2020, 13:53
Jennifer wrote: 10 Dec 2020, 09:24 Jeff and various of his colleagues might be among the first to receive the vaccine, after medical workers, because they are "essential workers" who work on-site. Whereas I'll be among the last vaccine recipients: under 65, no co-morbidities, and no super-important job. Which means there is going to be an indeterminate amount of time wherein Jeff can go places while I'll still be stuck at home.
Sorry to piggyback on your gripe with another, but I won’t be far ahead of you. The fact that I spend good parts of my day in a 6x10 box breathing the same air as covid patients, and performing medical procedures on them doesn’t qualify me as a front-line health care worker. We’re in the second wave. When I inadvertently sicken or kill a relative, I’ll take solace in the fact that I contracted the disease not being a front line health care worker, but merely someone who performs medical procedures on the front lines in the perfect disease incubator.

Thanks, fuckers.*


*Fuckers in this case being the vaccine distribution people.
Jesus Christ that's insane. Are you on an ambulance crew or a fire truck crew these days? If it were fire truck crew I'd think it was an understandable but still negligent oversight that they just didn't remember that fire trucks often respond to medical calls in case they get there faster than the ambulance. If ambulance workers aren't on the top list or at least in the same batch as the 70-80 population that's nuts and damn near criminally negligent.
I’m supposed to shift between the truck and the ambulance (2 week rotation), but a lack of medics has had me working the ambulance full-time in our second station for about six months. As it happens, I’m back at my original station, still working full-time on the ambulance, because one of our crew (who is also a close friend) is out with covid. We’ve had a lot of that lately. Thanks to out of control community spread, it’s hard to say if it’s the result of patient contact or of shopping at the wrong grocery store.

The initial information was that paramedics were considered health care workers (I’m a medic, and therefore work most directly with the patients, for the longest amount of time) and that we would be first in line. But on the ground level, the word is that we’re to wait until the second round, when they get to first responders.

For clarity, it works like this for Covid calls. The initial dispatch should be marked EID (Epidemic Infectious Disease). When that happens, I suit up in gown, mask, and face shield and go into the house to assess the patient. The ideal is that I’m able to walk the patient to the door, while the rest of the crew waits outside with the cot. On regular calls, my EMT partner gets in the back with me and sets up the monitor/gets vitals and all of that while I set up IVs, read the cardiac monitor, and administer whatever drugs might be necessary. In nasty cases, I’ll intubate and set up a portable ventilator. (That hasn’t happened with a Covid patient yet, and I’m frantically knocking on wood as I type this). With the EID patients, I don’t let anyone else in the back of the ambulance unless the patient is unstable and I genuinely need a second set of hands. We then ride to the hospital, with myself and the patient in the aforementioned 6x10 box. The ambulance does have an extractor fan, but I’m not convinced it does much. Most of us, including myself, ride with a little sliding window panel on the side open. It’s maybe 6x8 inches, and it’s unpleasant when it’s cold outside, but we figure any extra air circulation probably helps. For us, most transport times are between 20 and 30 minutes. When possible, we avoid using things like non-rebreather masks or nebulizers, as those tend to spread infectious air around even more than is already happening.
We do have decontamination sprayers, but admin doesn’t want us to carry them on the bus, instead asking us to wait until we get back to decon the back. They are, apparently, very expensive and hard to get ahold of. I usually ignore that, and take the sprayer with me, so we can ride back in a decontaminated truck. That’s when we know it’s EID. We’re not always told, and sometimes, we’re only told en route. I tend to treat anything that sounds like it could be Covid as EID, so any short of breath/weakness/fever calls get the whole treatment. And it’s been months since I’ve run a call without wearing N95.

While I’m concerned about myself, like any thinking human would be, I’m more terrified of becoming an unwitting vector and infecting my family. My husband is currently uninsured, due to a gap between me leaving the military and a change in my regular job’s insurance kicking in at the start of the year. My daughter spends time both with me, her mother, and my mother, who is in her seventies. I’m painfully aware (Like Pham, I’m sure) that because of my job and the attendant exposures, I’m genuinely a dangerous person to be around. The sooner I can stop being afraid that I’ll accidentally kill someone I love, the happier I’ll be.

Shorter: the whole situation sucks.
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JD wrote: 10 Dec 2020, 14:46 Over 50% of the FDNY said they wouldn't get the COVID vaccine if the department offered it. This despite the data showing that firefighters are much more likely than average residents to be infected.

If I were mayor, I'd be saying, "You can take the vaccine*, or you can look for a new job" but I doubt that's going to happen.
*assuming that there are enough doses to go around and firefighters are adjudged high enough in priority
There’s a real, for lack of a better term, MAGA culture problem on FDs. I’m with you on the ‘get the shot or fold your gear and leave it in your locker on the way out” view. Though it clashes with whatever civil libertarian principles I have left, my instinct for the general population is along the lines of “you have three options: get the shot, accept exile so some camp in the desert, or go stand against that wall”. I’m just sick and tired of all the bullshit, misinformation, anti-science blather, and basic, fuck-everyone-but-me irresponsibility of a large percentage of the population. There’s a group of people who are responsible for things being as bad as they are, and I have zero sympathy left for them.
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This thread actually puts forth an amazing idea.

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thoreau wrote: 10 Dec 2020, 16:26 This thread actually puts forth an amazing idea.

Could we take it a step further and make the MAGA vaccine a placebo?
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I can't support putting inert, harmless substances in the MAGA syringes.
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Number 6 wrote: 10 Dec 2020, 14:57
JD wrote: 10 Dec 2020, 14:46 Over 50% of the FDNY said they wouldn't get the COVID vaccine if the department offered it. This despite the data showing that firefighters are much more likely than average residents to be infected.

If I were mayor, I'd be saying, "You can take the vaccine*, or you can look for a new job" but I doubt that's going to happen.
*assuming that there are enough doses to go around and firefighters are adjudged high enough in priority
There’s a real, for lack of a better term, MAGA culture problem on FDs. I’m with you on the ‘get the shot or fold your gear and leave it in your locker on the way out” view. Though it clashes with whatever civil libertarian principles I have left, my instinct for the general population is along the lines of “you have three options: get the shot, accept exile so some camp in the desert, or go stand against that wall”. I’m just sick and tired of all the bullshit, misinformation, anti-science blather, and basic, fuck-everyone-but-me irresponsibility of a large percentage of the population. There’s a group of people who are responsible for things being as bad as they are, and I have zero sympathy left for them.
As a libertarian, there's almost nothing I think should be mandatory, but vaccines are an exception. Get the shot unless you fall into the tiny % of the population who can't have a vaccine. (This goes for vaccines generally)
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Rachel wrote: 10 Dec 2020, 23:43
Number 6 wrote: 10 Dec 2020, 14:57
JD wrote: 10 Dec 2020, 14:46 Over 50% of the FDNY said they wouldn't get the COVID vaccine if the department offered it. This despite the data showing that firefighters are much more likely than average residents to be infected.

If I were mayor, I'd be saying, "You can take the vaccine*, or you can look for a new job" but I doubt that's going to happen.
*assuming that there are enough doses to go around and firefighters are adjudged high enough in priority
There’s a real, for lack of a better term, MAGA culture problem on FDs. I’m with you on the ‘get the shot or fold your gear and leave it in your locker on the way out” view. Though it clashes with whatever civil libertarian principles I have left, my instinct for the general population is along the lines of “you have three options: get the shot, accept exile so some camp in the desert, or go stand against that wall”. I’m just sick and tired of all the bullshit, misinformation, anti-science blather, and basic, fuck-everyone-but-me irresponsibility of a large percentage of the population. There’s a group of people who are responsible for things being as bad as they are, and I have zero sympathy left for them.
As a libertarian, there's almost nothing I think should be mandatory, but vaccines are an exception. Get the shot unless you fall into the tiny % of the population who can't have a vaccine. (This goes for vaccines generally)
I can think of a few more but, yes, vaccines are an exception. And no copping out because you might get a headache and have to miss work, either; it's gotta be "reach for the epi-pen" level allergic for a pass.
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Yesterday was the nine-month anniversary of March 12, the day Shit Got Real for me and Jeff personally (or at least, the last time we left our home expecting pre-covid normalcy, only to discover things had changed).

The plan was to do regular shopping errands that day -- first Target, then a couple of just-for-fun thrift store visits in the vicinity, ending with our weekly visit to the grocery store. Our visit to Target was almost like normal, except the paper aisle was completely empty (fortunately, we didn't intend buying any paper goods anyway). The two or three thrift-shop stops were also normal (we both walked away empty-handed, alas) ... but when we left the Goodwill which was our last thrift stop of the day, Jeff checked his phone and said that our county had closed the schools for two weeks because of the virus. By the time we got to the strip mall containing the Kroger, the mall parking lot was so full we almost couldn't find a place to park, and we ultimately left the store without buying anything, after seeing how the checkout lines stretched all the way to the back of the store. And we determined this via an action we would NEVER take now: walking, bare-faced, through a store so crowded we often made jostling shoulder-to-shoulder contact with strangers. Whereas now, it's not unusual for us to drive to a store and then leave without even going in, if we deem the store "too crowded."
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Fuck. Jeff's out at the moment, shopping for food and wine ... not for ourselves, but for a local acquaintance who's been exposed and is in two-week quarantine. Then, not half an hour ago, one of my Massachusetts friends announced on Facebook that SHE has been exposed and is in quarantine.

At least the local woman lives alone, I think; my Massachusetts friend lives with her wife and I think with their teenage-adult son too. I have no idea if they've been exposed too; given the layout of their house, I don't see how it would be possible for Tammy to quarantine herself without her wife and kid being exposed, too.
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Even as some people preen/whine "Canada is giving their entire population the vaccine for free!", there may be a dark side to that...
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/15/us/c ... erved.html
With First Dibs on Vaccines, Rich Countries Have ‘Cleared the Shelves’
The U.S., Britain, Canada and others are hedging their bets, reserving doses that far outnumber their populations, as many poorer nations struggle to secure enough.
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JD wrote: 15 Dec 2020, 11:09 Even as some people preen/whine "Canada is giving their entire population the vaccine for free!", there may be a dark side to that...
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/15/us/c ... erved.html
With First Dibs on Vaccines, Rich Countries Have ‘Cleared the Shelves’
The U.S., Britain, Canada and others are hedging their bets, reserving doses that far outnumber their populations, as many poorer nations struggle to secure enough.
Canadian news reports I'd seen indicated something like 300 million+ doses ordered for Canada. I was kinda WTF?
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Aresen wrote: 15 Dec 2020, 11:33
JD wrote: 15 Dec 2020, 11:09 Even as some people preen/whine "Canada is giving their entire population the vaccine for free!", there may be a dark side to that...
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/15/us/c ... erved.html
With First Dibs on Vaccines, Rich Countries Have ‘Cleared the Shelves’
The U.S., Britain, Canada and others are hedging their bets, reserving doses that far outnumber their populations, as many poorer nations struggle to secure enough.
Canadian news reports I'd seen indicated something like 300 million+ doses ordered for Canada. I was kinda WTF?
As I understand it, Canada is doing the smart thing. They're putting in orders for everything they can, and plan to donate the excess to poor countries once they have all their own people vaccinated.

A vaccine at this point is so socially valuable that it's worth _wildly overpaying_ to get it asap. The US government probably should have committed to buying 300M vaccines from _each_ company that could plausibly offer them.
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Also, the Pfizer vaccine (at least) requires two doses, meaning that's not enough to vaccinate 300 million people. It's also why the US order is even worse than it looks; they got 100 million doses for a country with more than three times that many people, and they can only vaccinate 50 million with it.
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Shem wrote: 15 Dec 2020, 11:50 Also, the Pfizer vaccine (at least) requires two doses, meaning that's not enough to vaccinate 300 million people. It's also why the US order is even worse than it looks; they got 100 million doses for a country with more than three times that many people, and they can only vaccinate 50 million with it.
There's a reason I said 300M vaccines, not 300M doses. Though maybe I should have said 300M vaccinations?

Now, I think the numbers are less bad than they look.
1. We get 50M vaccinations from Pfizer. I think we get another 50M from Moderna? And Johnson and Johnson is close to reporting out Phase 3 data, which would help if it goes well.
2. We get _at least_ 50M vaccinations from Pfizer. It's not like they're going to stop making more after they fill their current order book. So the question is how quickly they can scale up and produce more. But they'll probably produce more than their current order book fairly quickly, and we'll probably manage to buy a chunk of that.

But yes, not committing to a second 100M raft of dozes was quite reckless.
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Jadagul wrote: 15 Dec 2020, 11:43 As I understand it, Canada is doing the smart thing. They're putting in orders for everything they can, and plan to donate the excess to poor countries once they have all their own people vaccinated.
That makes a lot more sense, thank you. Still seems a bit cynical of them, but more sensible.
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If I read the NYT tracker correctly, the US purchased 100m Moderna doses at Phase 3 and just purchased another 100m for delivery in Q2 '21, so unless that suddenly gets denied things should roll out quickly from that one. And it's the easier to destribute of the two, storing at -4F and stable for a month under standard refrigeration (not even freezer).

Australia's vaccine used a chunk of HIV RNA or protein (not clear which) to hold open a SARS-CoV-2 spike to provide a broader immune response (it folds in other spike-based vaccines for reasons) which is causing people to give false positives on HIV tests, so their Phase 3 is on hold until they sort that out. But it looks like that's going to have some neat basic research benefits even if it doesn't provide a working COVID vaccine.
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The groom in the opening anecdote of this article should be sterilized for Darwin's sake.

https://www.texasmonthly.com/being-texa ... ssion=true
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thoreau wrote: 16 Dec 2020, 13:06 The groom in the opening anecdote of this article should be sterilized for Darwin's sake.

https://www.texasmonthly.com/being-texa ... ssion=true
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If she beat them with a tire iron and I was on the jury I'd vote to acquit so hard you'd be able to see it from space.
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It's too bad the photographer can't sue those bastards, at least for straightforward compensation for costs.

Tennessee state representative David Byrd, formerly a covid denier, not only has covid but had to go on a ventilator for it.
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dhex wrote: 16 Dec 2020, 14:16 If she beat them with a tire iron and I was on the jury I'd vote to acquit so hard you'd be able to see it from space.
I believe that under Texas law that photographer would have valid grounds to open fire on the groom.
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thoreau wrote: 16 Dec 2020, 13:06 The groom in the opening anecdote of this article should be sterilized for Darwin's sake.

https://www.texasmonthly.com/being-texa ... ssion=true
I am angry at you for just throwing out that link all willy nilly.
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