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Fucking finally.

Still betting on Trump rage-quitting before January 20th.
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If he rage-quits it will be so that Pence can pardon him. And Pence will do it.

The hold that Trump has over everyone just baffles me. Yeah, I know, the GOP members of Congress and state officials and whatnot are afraid that he'll lash out at them and hurt them in primaries. But Barr kissed Trump's ass in his resignation letter. Why? Barr is an established man who will never run for office. He's financially comfortable, and he can go back to the private sector and make money without Trump's favor because he's proven himself useful as a very well-connected attorney. Why is he kissing Trump's ass?

The hold that he has over people makes no sense. I mean, I get whipping up the masses, and I get that people who need to run in primaries care about that. But there are people who don't need to care about that, yet do.
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thoreau wrote: 15 Dec 2020, 18:23But Barr kissed Trump's ass in his resignation letter. Why? Barr is an established man who will never run for office. He's financially comfortable, and he can go back to the private sector and make money without Trump's favor because he's proven himself useful as a very well-connected attorney. Why is he kissing Trump's ass?
Because he's a lickspittle, and we knew that from the beginning. Trump tries to hire for "loyalty" first and above all other things. If that means hiring incompetent yes-men, he's fine with that. He just blames the yes-men when their incompetence comes to roost.
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Fair point about the loyalty. I guess Barr is just at heart a kicked dog who wants a master. It would explain why he thinks America needs authoritarianism.

The irony, though, is that Barr was pretty damn competent by the standards of Trump's circle. And he actually had, amazingly enough, a few ethical lines that he wouldn't cross. He got fired for the wrongs he didn't do.
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Eric the .5b wrote: 15 Dec 2020, 18:29
thoreau wrote: 15 Dec 2020, 18:23But Barr kissed Trump's ass in his resignation letter. Why? Barr is an established man who will never run for office. He's financially comfortable, and he can go back to the private sector and make money without Trump's favor because he's proven himself useful as a very well-connected attorney. Why is he kissing Trump's ass?
Because he's a lickspittle, and we knew that from the beginning. Trump tries to hire for "loyalty" first and above all other things. If that means hiring incompetent yes-men, he's fine with that. He just blames the yes-men when their incompetence comes to roost.
thoreau wrote: 15 Dec 2020, 18:33 Fair point about the loyalty. I guess Barr is just at heart a kicked dog who wants a master. It would explain why he thinks America needs authoritarianism.

The irony, though, is that Barr was pretty damn competent by the standards of Trump's circle. And he actually had, amazingly enough, a few ethical lines that he wouldn't cross. He got fired for the wrongs he didn't do.
Concur Trump likes lickspittles - Stephen Miller is exhibit A - but, as thoreau notes Barr was fairly competent by the standards of the Trump circle. Evil, but competent. I remain curious as to what attracts people like Barr to people like Trump.
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Aresen wrote: 15 Dec 2020, 18:55I remain curious as to what attracts people like Barr to people like Trump.
He is apparently a true believer in social conservatism, and very much believes that America needs a strong, culturally conservative government. For all of Trump's decidedly not-Christian personal life, he's an authoritarian whom the Christian Right rallies to. Presumably he saw Trump as an opportunity to get certain things done.

But, honestly, I think Trump's most lasting favor to the Christian Right will be that he let Pence and McConnell do what they wanted with the federal judiciary. I've never heard of any Trump judicial nominees being anything less than impeccable by SoCon standards. You'd figure there'd be at least one person who got the nomination by working on some of his real estate deals or being his sister's law clerk or something, but nope. Seems like he let Pence and McConnell do this. So they've got 3 people on SCOTUS and a plenty of people in the lower courts who can be promoted upwards the next time a Red is in the White House.

Also, Barr kind of peaked young. US Attorney General at age 41. Where do you go from there? He spent some time in the 90's trying to advise the Virginia government on becoming more Tuff On Crime, but it's gotta suck to go from covering up high crimes of state (Iran-Contra) to urging a governor to lock up more 16 year-olds for longer terms or whatever. It will never satisfy a boner for power the way that the affairs of Presidents, Generals, spies, and theocrats can.

Then he went to the private sector and made a bundle but still wasn't in the highest levels of government power anymore. I think he wanted to be Trump's AG so he could move in a world that he hadn't been in for decades. Trump gave him what he wanted, and many men will sell themselves to get what they want.
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Aresen wrote: 15 Dec 2020, 18:55
Eric the .5b wrote: 15 Dec 2020, 18:29
thoreau wrote: 15 Dec 2020, 18:23But Barr kissed Trump's ass in his resignation letter. Why? Barr is an established man who will never run for office. He's financially comfortable, and he can go back to the private sector and make money without Trump's favor because he's proven himself useful as a very well-connected attorney. Why is he kissing Trump's ass?
Because he's a lickspittle, and we knew that from the beginning. Trump tries to hire for "loyalty" first and above all other things. If that means hiring incompetent yes-men, he's fine with that. He just blames the yes-men when their incompetence comes to roost.
thoreau wrote: 15 Dec 2020, 18:33 Fair point about the loyalty. I guess Barr is just at heart a kicked dog who wants a master. It would explain why he thinks America needs authoritarianism.

The irony, though, is that Barr was pretty damn competent by the standards of Trump's circle. And he actually had, amazingly enough, a few ethical lines that he wouldn't cross. He got fired for the wrongs he didn't do.
Concur Trump likes lickspittles - Stephen Miller is exhibit A - but, as thoreau notes Barr was fairly competent by the standards of the Trump circle. Evil, but competent. I remain curious as to what attracts people like Barr to people like Trump.
Concur with T. Power and its exercise, especially in his chosen direction.

And the lickspittling, he knew what he wanted, knew what would sell with the outgoing boss, knew that he'd face no repercussions from it and might very well get some doors opened in the future by very publicly not burning that bridge. It took an extra 30 minutes and is an investment with no risk and maybe some unforeseen reward down the road.
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He definitely believes that he'll have more opportunities to enjoy that sweet, sweet power if he is nice to Trump, as opposed to casting his lot with the anti-Trump types. But he leaves on just bad enough terms that he can try (perhaps not successfully, but he thinks it's at least possible) to sweet-talk anti-Trump conservatives in the unlikely case that the wind blows their way.
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This one's a crossover with 'The Real Criminal is the Cop', but I'm posting it here:

Former Houston police captain accused of holding repairman at gunpoint to prove voter fraud
A former Houston police captain was charged with assault Tuesday after running a man off the road and holding him at gunpoint in an effort to prove what authorities have called a bogus voter fraud scheme. Mark Aguirre claimed an air conditioner repairman was the mastermind of a giant voter fraud scheme. Aguirre said the man's truck was filled with fraudulent ballots when he ran his SUV into it on Oct. 19, according to authorities.

"The defendant stated (the driver) has approximately seven hundred and fifty thousand fraudulent mail ballots and is using Hispanic children to sign the ballots because the children's fingerprints would not appear in any databases," according to an arrest affidavit.

Aguirre told police he and some friends set up a "command post" at a Marriott hotel in suburban Houston and conducted 24-hour surveillance on the repairman for four days, according to the affidavit. He said he then ran the man's truck off the road, pointed a gun at him, forced him onto the ground and put a knee on his back, the affidavit said.

Police who responded to the incident searched the truck and found only air conditioning parts and tools, authorities said. Authorities did not name the truck driver, who was not hurt.

"A lengthy investigation ... determined allegations of election fraud were unfounded and no evidence of illegal ballots was found," Houston police said.

Aguirre told a police officer at the scene, "I just hope you're a patriot," according to the affidavit.

Lt. Wayne Rubio with the Texas Attorney General's Office later told police that Aguirre had asked his office to conduct a traffic stop for his investigation and when Rubio said he couldn't do that, Aguirre said he would do it himself and "make a citizen's arrest," according to the affidavit.

Aguirre, 63, has been charged with aggravated assault with a deadly weapon. Court records did not list an attorney for Aguirre.

If convicted, Aguirre faces up to 20 years in prison. Police have not identified any other suspects.

Police say Aguirre was paid $266,400 by Houston-based Liberty Center for God and Country, a nonprofit organization that is run by GOP party activist Dr. Steven Hotze.

A conservative power broker, Hotze unsuccessfully sued to stop the extension of early voting in Texas for this year's election. He also sued officials in Harris County, where Houston is located, to limit in-person and absentee voting, making allegations without evidence that Democrats were engaged in "ballot harvesting" by gathering votes from individuals who are homeless or elderly.

Allegations by President Donald Trump and others of massive voter fraud have been refuted by several judges, state election officials, an arm of his own administration's Homeland Security Department and Attorney General William Barr.

Hotze was also part of a group of individuals who unsuccessfully tried to challenge the legality of drive-thru voting in Harris County.

Jared Woodfill, an attorney for Hotze, said Liberty Center had employed Aguirre's company and around 20 investigators who were looking into allegations of voter fraud during the election.

Woodfill said he doesn't know if Aguirre was working on the investigation at the time of the alleged assault, but that Liberty Center doesn't approve of such tactics.
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I literally went first to TRCItCOP then decided this was the right thread and lo and behold...

The local ABC affiliate's coverage:

https://abc13.com/mark-anthony-aguirre- ... r/8802235/
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... and the "Liberty Center" defense of this shithead is "They totally were engaged in fraud! We'll prove it!"
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Also, this isn’t this cop’s first rodeo as a clown

https://ordinary-times.com/2020/12/15/t ... k-aguirre/
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Kolohe wrote: 16 Dec 2020, 12:25 Also, this isn’t this cop’s first rodeo as a clown

https://ordinary-times.com/2020/12/15/t ... k-aguirre/
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Aresen wrote: Concur Trump likes lickspittles - Stephen Miller is exhibit A - but, as thoreau notes Barr was fairly competent by the standards of the Trump circle. Evil, but competent. I remain curious as to what attracts people like Barr to people like Trump.
Because he helps them hurt the people they hate and resent. The cruelty is the point and they want in.
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Trump wanted conspiracy theorist Sidney Powell as special counsel on voter fraud – report
Donald Trump pushed to have the lawyer and “kraken” conspiracy theorist Sidney Powell named as a special counsel to investigate supposed electoral fraud, the New York Times reported on Saturday.

Citing two anonymous sources, the newspaper said most presidential advisers including personal attorney Rudy Giuliani pushed back against the plan, which Trump floated at a meeting on Friday.

The Times also reported that Trump asked aides about the former national security adviser Michael Flynn’s suggestion of deploying the US military to battleground states, in order to re-stage votes central to Joe Biden’s victory.

“That was also shot down,” the well-sourced reporter Maggie Haberman wrote, drily, on Twitter.
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According to the Julian Calendar, still used in the Russian Orthodox Tradition, 2020 doesn't end until January 13, 2021:

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A summary of the times Martial Law has been used
Some of President Trump’s most rabid loyalists are calling for him to declare martial law so he won’t have to cede power to President-elect Joe Biden next month — though his White House aides have rejected that idea as a way to overturn the election.

Last week, Trump’s disgraced former national security adviser, the newly pardoned Michael Flynn, suggested on the right-wing channel Newsmax that the military could be used to rerun the election in four swing states that Trump lost. “People out there talk about martial law like it’s something that we’ve never done,” Flynn said. “Martial law has been instituted 64 times.”

At least 68 times, actually, though never under the circumstances Flynn has argued for on Newsmax and in the Oval Office.

The Brennan Center for Justice recently catalogued each time martial law — the temporary military takeover of civil functions like law enforcement and courts — has been invoked in U.S. history.

The broadest and perhaps best-known instance is Congress putting all the former Confederate states (except for Tennessee) under martial law during Reconstruction. From 1867 to 1870, radical Republicans controlling Congress imposed a list of requirements on these states for them to be readmitted into the Union, including passing a new state constitution guaranteeing universal male suffrage and ratifying the 14th Amendment.
Reading further, it appears that most of the time, it has been used by governors to suppress labor disputes and civil rights activists.
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Politico article about a group of people who insist that voting machines were hacked, thousands of votes went missing, and there was a deep state conspiracy against the real winner of the election: John Kerry.
And many of them still believe that. Their continued commitment to the idea even today reveals that, once sown, doubt in the democratic process is difficult to dispel. Rather than recede with age, in many cases these 2004 skeptics’ concerns only deepened. And today, many of these 2004 figures have found a new cause in the 2020 election, embracing Trump’s claims about the results even if they are on the opposite end of the ideological spectrum. The movement is starting to split, as others refuse to align themselves with the president and his supporters, and even think it’s dangerous to do so.
But people like Freeman, who dug into the exit poll numbers, also circulated a darker theory, centered on fraud that occurred after the vote—via those high-tech voting machines, whose results couldn’t be verified against an independent paper trail. Questions about why the exit polls were so inaccurate—which the mainstream media and even the pollsters attributed to flawed polling methodology—led others to spin out theories about who might have been driven to change the votes themselves. Depending on whom in the movement you talk to, it might have been Karl Rove, working with the private companies that manufactured the machines; it might have been the military-industrial complex; it might have been a shady “they” of extra-governmental elites. It was all impossible to disprove, because it was impossible to prove: If the numbers defied explanation, then any idea, however uncomfortable or wild, could theoretically be true.
That’s an idea Freeman raised to me, too. He sent me the results of an online poll that asked Americans whom they legitimately thought won the 2020 election; he was struck, not by the numbers for Biden or Trump, but by the fact that only two percent said they weren’t sure. For Freeman, uncertainty about election results is a constant, a given. And yet, he concedes, life goes on. Inauguration Day will come. The president will still be the president—something he has begrudgingly accepted for the last 16 years.

“I mean I don’t have a choice, right? I have to pay my taxes,” Freeman says. “I accept them purely as most people accept them, I think, which is: They have the power.”
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I wonder what conspiracy theories are already circulating?

Anthony Quinn Warner identified as Nashville bomber
Authorities have identified Anthony Quinn Warner as the Nashville bomber after matching his DNA to remains found at the scene of the explosion.

"We've come to the conclusion that an individual named Anthony Warner is the bomber. He was present when the bomb went off and then he perished," said Don Cochran, US attorney for the Middle District of Tennessee, during a Sunday evening news conference.

DNA taken from the scene was matched to Warner by forensic analysts, Tennessee Bureau of Investigation Director David Rausch said at the news conference.

Warner, 63, of nearby Antioch, Tennessee, had already been identified as a person of interest in the explosion of a recreational vehicle in downtown Nashville on Christmas morning.
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You can't spell "Anthony Quinn Warner" without "Q-Anon."
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They're still not giving up:

Gohmert suit may force Pence's hand in effort to overturn Trump's defeat
Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-Texas) and President Donald Trump's defeated electors from Arizona may force Vice President Mike Pence to publicly pick a side in Trump’s bid to overturn his 2020 election loss.

Gohmert and a handful of the would-be electors sued Pence in federal court on Monday in a long-shot bid to throw out the rules that govern Congress' counting of electoral votes next week. It’s an effort they hope will permit Pence — who is tasked with leading the Jan. 6 session of the House and Senate — to simply ignore President-elect Joe Biden's electors and count Trump's losing slates instead.

The lawsuit asserts that the 1887 law known as the Electoral Count Act, the vague statute that has long governed the electoral vote counting process with minimal drama, unconstitutionally binds Pence from exercising total authority to choose which votes to count.


"Under the Twelfth Amendment, Defendant Pence alone has the exclusive authority and sole discretion to open and permit the counting of the electoral votes for a given state, and where there are competing slates of electors, or where there is objection to any single slate of electors, to determine which electors’ votes, or whether none, shall be counted," the suit contends.

The lawsuit comes before Judge Jeremy Kernodle, a Trump appointee to the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Texas. It's unclear if he'll grant the request for an expedited judgment.
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If you want to run for the Red nomination in 2024 you have a number of problems, most of them connected to the insanity of the Red base and Trump. Trump might be removed from the contest by age, arteries, legal troubles, etc. But that still leaves Pence, who has consistently displayed impeccable loyalty to Trump. That would help him with the Red base in 2024. Forcing Pence to rule against Trump hurts his 2024 primary chances. Meanwhile, challenging the vote totals gives Senators and Reps a chance to burnish their pro-Trump credentials and wave them around during the Biden/Harris administration.
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thoreau wrote: 28 Dec 2020, 21:23 If you want to run for the Red nomination in 2024 you have a number of problems, most of them connected to the insanity of the Red base and Trump. Trump might be removed from the contest by age, arteries, legal troubles, etc. But that still leaves Pence, who has consistently displayed impeccable loyalty to Trump. That would help him with the Red base in 2024. Forcing Pence to rule against Trump hurts his 2024 primary chances. Meanwhile, challenging the vote totals gives Senators and Reps a chance to burnish their pro-Trump credentials and wave them around during the Biden/Harris administration.
Not that I want to improve his electoral odds, but Pence should just call in sick that day and let the Senate president pro tempore announce the results. Grassley is, if nothing else, relatively sane and unafraid of Trump.
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