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Which is possibly the drawback of the binge era vs the episodic era, where the seams were always plastered over by week long breaks.
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Kolohe wrote:
26 Jan 2020, 13:04
Which is possibly the drawback of the binge era vs the episodic era, where the seams were always plastered over by week long breaks.
Not to mention 23 eps. per season with reruns.
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thoreau wrote:
26 Jan 2020, 12:56
What's the "Hollywood Neverloader"?
Guns that don't run out of bullets.
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Warren wrote:
26 Jan 2020, 13:13
thoreau wrote:
26 Jan 2020, 12:56
What's the "Hollywood Neverloader"?
Guns that don't run out of bullets.
After seeing some of the tech in season 2 (e.g. climate-controlled outdoor areas so that they can have jungles, deserts, and Alaskan wilderness on the same island), how they reload guns is just not even a concern.
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I got through my Prisoner randomization watch. I can see why this bounced off me when I was younger. It's very much a show where you need to just roll with things no matter how sketch much of the "technology" is. I was much more into verisimilitude early in life.

I did mix up the episodes randomly but ended up saving the last episode for last. When I started watching it I realized they were showing clips from a prior episode that hadn't seen. So I put that aside until the end. In an odd coincidence the last episode I watched before that was actually the first episode. So I watched all the intervening episodes then watched the first and last back to back.

I don't think randomizing the episodes mattered that much actually. They are an episodic format so he always ends up back in the village at the end. There are some that have some reoccurring characters but there isn't a lot of deep characterization so watching them out of order wasn't full of too many surprises.

I'm still trying to decide how much I actually liked the show. There are episodes I liked and in general the themes in it were interesting. But there was also a lot of ideas that they really didn't do that much with (or went way off on some odd tangent). One of the problems with being innovative is that often everyone following you copies you but actually end up doing a better job than the original. I feel like I've seen a lot of these concepts in later works done better. So the show sometimes feels kind of thin in places. Something at the time likely wouldn't have been an issue.

My favorite episodes where Checkmate, A.B.and C. and Free for All. I found the Village interesting and the more they strayed from it the less interest I had in it. The ending was kind of whatever. I can't decide if there was something to it or it was just pretentious and vague.

McGoohan really had a lot of charisma and I really enjoyed his performance (even if he does run like a spaz). He's at his best though when bouncing between sarcasm and indignant scene chewing proclamations. His face is fun to watch. When things strayed out of those areas it didn't work so well and felt a little forced or artificial.

And finally, in the command room, what was that rotating see-saw thing with the two guys looking at cameras on either end? I imagine it was just supposed to look hi-tech but every time they cut to that room I would find myself trying to come up with some purpose for it (I failed).

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Painboy wrote:
05 Feb 2020, 23:11
And finally, in the command room, what was that rotating see-saw thing with the two guys looking at cameras on either end? I imagine it was just supposed to look hi-tech but every time they cut to that room I would find myself trying to come up with some purpose for it (I failed).
Then it worked perfectly!
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I've finally watched HBO's Carnivale over the past several days. I'm sad it's over.

I haven't read up on it too much yet, but I suspect when word came down they were cancelled, the producers and writers kinda hurried the story along. The last few eps and the finale left a bit to be desired, even if it also left me wanting more.

I wonder if the combination of slow storytelling, rather hopeless setting, dense mythology, and fantastical elements were just too ahead of its time? I mean, Twin Peaks aired more than a decade before Carnivale, but that was killed seemingly through a combination of the network execs interfering for an answer to Laura's murder, Lynch walking away from it, and lowered ratings. From the little I've read about Carnivale, it was just lower ratings in season two that killed it. I haven't seen anything about network interference, and the showrunner had 4 more seasons outlined. I think if it premiered within the last few years, we'd have gotten more seasons.
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I watched in on DVD after the show run so I don’t remember the TV exec politics of it. (Frankly, I’m still a little mystified on how HBO does ‘metrics’ with a broad subscription base on no ads.) I do think now they might be picked up by someone else if HBO wanted to pull the plug.

In hindsight, the project was missing just one more big star, either already established or breakout, to make an iconic character - which is the other defining feature of Golden Age TV. Clancey Brown certainly pulled his own weight, but Nick Stahl (who I had to look up) and the other woman (who I’m not going to bother looking up again) were in some other things at that time (the 3rd terminator movie is underrated) but haven’t done anything else in 10 years?

ETA ok I looked it up and the woman’s been in VEEP and Handmaids Tale. So I blame Nick, who was a proto version of one of the Chris’s (Pine/Evans/Hemsworth/Pratt) but didn’t quite make the cut.
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Watched the first two episodes of Hunters. It wasn't terrible but I don't think I'm going to watch anymore. The production values are generally high, the worldbuilding is pretty good, and the acting is pretty good. But at its core it's a big-budget Nazisploitation flick. It can't really decide whether it wants to be a dark and gritty exploration of morality and consequences, or a goofy 1970s-style buddy action movie, and as a result it comes across like somebody aping Tarantino, but without the talent. If you're going to go from painstakingly recreated Holocaust atrocities to chopsocky over a funk soundtrack, you'd better have a really deft hand with it, and these showrunners don't.
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JD wrote:
24 Feb 2020, 10:44
Watched the first two episodes of Hunters. It wasn't terrible but I don't think I'm going to watch anymore. The production values are generally high, the worldbuilding is pretty good, and the acting is pretty good. But at its core it's a big-budget Nazisploitation flick. It can't really decide whether it wants to be a dark and gritty exploration of morality and consequences, or a goofy 1970s-style buddy action movie, and as a result it comes across like somebody aping Tarantino, but without the talent. If you're going to go from painstakingly recreated Holocaust atrocities to chopsocky over a funk soundtrack, you'd better have a really deft hand with it, and these showrunners don't.
Pretty much this. I will say, however, that if Thoreau watches far enough into the series, he'll be amused by the nature of the big Nazi plot.

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