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Which is possibly the drawback of the binge era vs the episodic era, where the seams were always plastered over by week long breaks.
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Kolohe wrote:
26 Jan 2020, 13:04
Which is possibly the drawback of the binge era vs the episodic era, where the seams were always plastered over by week long breaks.
Not to mention 23 eps. per season with reruns.
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thoreau wrote:
26 Jan 2020, 12:56
What's the "Hollywood Neverloader"?
Guns that don't run out of bullets.
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Warren wrote:
26 Jan 2020, 13:13
thoreau wrote:
26 Jan 2020, 12:56
What's the "Hollywood Neverloader"?
Guns that don't run out of bullets.
After seeing some of the tech in season 2 (e.g. climate-controlled outdoor areas so that they can have jungles, deserts, and Alaskan wilderness on the same island), how they reload guns is just not even a concern.
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I got through my Prisoner randomization watch. I can see why this bounced off me when I was younger. It's very much a show where you need to just roll with things no matter how sketch much of the "technology" is. I was much more into verisimilitude early in life.

I did mix up the episodes randomly but ended up saving the last episode for last. When I started watching it I realized they were showing clips from a prior episode that hadn't seen. So I put that aside until the end. In an odd coincidence the last episode I watched before that was actually the first episode. So I watched all the intervening episodes then watched the first and last back to back.

I don't think randomizing the episodes mattered that much actually. They are an episodic format so he always ends up back in the village at the end. There are some that have some reoccurring characters but there isn't a lot of deep characterization so watching them out of order wasn't full of too many surprises.

I'm still trying to decide how much I actually liked the show. There are episodes I liked and in general the themes in it were interesting. But there was also a lot of ideas that they really didn't do that much with (or went way off on some odd tangent). One of the problems with being innovative is that often everyone following you copies you but actually end up doing a better job than the original. I feel like I've seen a lot of these concepts in later works done better. So the show sometimes feels kind of thin in places. Something at the time likely wouldn't have been an issue.

My favorite episodes where Checkmate, A.B.and C. and Free for All. I found the Village interesting and the more they strayed from it the less interest I had in it. The ending was kind of whatever. I can't decide if there was something to it or it was just pretentious and vague.

McGoohan really had a lot of charisma and I really enjoyed his performance (even if he does run like a spaz). He's at his best though when bouncing between sarcasm and indignant scene chewing proclamations. His face is fun to watch. When things strayed out of those areas it didn't work so well and felt a little forced or artificial.

And finally, in the command room, what was that rotating see-saw thing with the two guys looking at cameras on either end? I imagine it was just supposed to look hi-tech but every time they cut to that room I would find myself trying to come up with some purpose for it (I failed).

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Painboy wrote:
05 Feb 2020, 23:11
And finally, in the command room, what was that rotating see-saw thing with the two guys looking at cameras on either end? I imagine it was just supposed to look hi-tech but every time they cut to that room I would find myself trying to come up with some purpose for it (I failed).
Then it worked perfectly!
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I've finally watched HBO's Carnivale over the past several days. I'm sad it's over.

I haven't read up on it too much yet, but I suspect when word came down they were cancelled, the producers and writers kinda hurried the story along. The last few eps and the finale left a bit to be desired, even if it also left me wanting more.

I wonder if the combination of slow storytelling, rather hopeless setting, dense mythology, and fantastical elements were just too ahead of its time? I mean, Twin Peaks aired more than a decade before Carnivale, but that was killed seemingly through a combination of the network execs interfering for an answer to Laura's murder, Lynch walking away from it, and lowered ratings. From the little I've read about Carnivale, it was just lower ratings in season two that killed it. I haven't seen anything about network interference, and the showrunner had 4 more seasons outlined. I think if it premiered within the last few years, we'd have gotten more seasons.
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I watched in on DVD after the show run so I don’t remember the TV exec politics of it. (Frankly, I’m still a little mystified on how HBO does ‘metrics’ with a broad subscription base on no ads.) I do think now they might be picked up by someone else if HBO wanted to pull the plug.

In hindsight, the project was missing just one more big star, either already established or breakout, to make an iconic character - which is the other defining feature of Golden Age TV. Clancey Brown certainly pulled his own weight, but Nick Stahl (who I had to look up) and the other woman (who I’m not going to bother looking up again) were in some other things at that time (the 3rd terminator movie is underrated) but haven’t done anything else in 10 years?

ETA ok I looked it up and the woman’s been in VEEP and Handmaids Tale. So I blame Nick, who was a proto version of one of the Chris’s (Pine/Evans/Hemsworth/Pratt) but didn’t quite make the cut.
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Watched the first two episodes of Hunters. It wasn't terrible but I don't think I'm going to watch anymore. The production values are generally high, the worldbuilding is pretty good, and the acting is pretty good. But at its core it's a big-budget Nazisploitation flick. It can't really decide whether it wants to be a dark and gritty exploration of morality and consequences, or a goofy 1970s-style buddy action movie, and as a result it comes across like somebody aping Tarantino, but without the talent. If you're going to go from painstakingly recreated Holocaust atrocities to chopsocky over a funk soundtrack, you'd better have a really deft hand with it, and these showrunners don't.
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JD wrote:
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Watched the first two episodes of Hunters. It wasn't terrible but I don't think I'm going to watch anymore. The production values are generally high, the worldbuilding is pretty good, and the acting is pretty good. But at its core it's a big-budget Nazisploitation flick. It can't really decide whether it wants to be a dark and gritty exploration of morality and consequences, or a goofy 1970s-style buddy action movie, and as a result it comes across like somebody aping Tarantino, but without the talent. If you're going to go from painstakingly recreated Holocaust atrocities to chopsocky over a funk soundtrack, you'd better have a really deft hand with it, and these showrunners don't.
Pretty much this. I will say, however, that if Thoreau watches far enough into the series, he'll be amused by the nature of the big Nazi plot.

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I thought people told me The Good Place was clever and funny. I’m not detecting either.

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JasonL wrote:
07 Mar 2020, 17:07
I thought people told me The Good Place was clever and funny. I’m not detecting either.
Hmmm. I'd heard the same thing, but was skeptical from the clips.
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JasonL wrote:
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I thought people told me The Good Place was clever and funny. I’m not detecting either.
How far into it are you?
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3/4 into season 1

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JasonL wrote:
07 Mar 2020, 19:34
3/4 into season 1
Finish season one. If you’re not hooked by then it’s not your show.
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Hugh Akston wrote:
07 Mar 2020, 20:02
JasonL wrote:
07 Mar 2020, 19:34
3/4 into season 1
Finish season one. If you’re not hooked by then it’s not your show.
And report back. I wanna know how you land.
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Ok. The jokes are kinda landing as obvious right now. I’ll get through s1.

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I liked it quite a bit. (I have only seen the 1st season).
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I am sorry that Homicide Hunter with Joe Kenda is over. I understand and appreciate why they ended it (running out of decent cases, basically, and it was starting to show) but I will miss it.
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My wife loves that show. I do appreciate his laconic-ness. (I'm sure he appreciates that a much better looking dude plays a young him).
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JD wrote:
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I am sorry that Homicide Hunter with Joe Kenda is over. I understand and appreciate why they ended it (running out of decent cases, basically, and it was starting to show) but I will miss it.
Air Disasters has now had an entire season of here-are-three-previous-cases-that-are-alike (all distracted pilots, all skillful landings with dual engine failure, all terrorist or missile attacks, etc) so I assume they're out of cases, too. Or at least out of money.
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lunchstealer wrote:
09 Mar 2020, 17:52
JD wrote:
09 Mar 2020, 11:11
I am sorry that Homicide Hunter with Joe Kenda is over. I understand and appreciate why they ended it (running out of decent cases, basically, and it was starting to show) but I will miss it.
Air Disasters has now had an entire season of here-are-three-previous-cases-that-are-alike (all distracted pilots, all skillful landings with dual engine failure, all terrorist or missile attacks, etc) so I assume they're out of cases, too. Or at least out of money.
I thought they were just repeat shows, because I remembered seeing all of them. But the "repackaged as a triplet" thing sounds right too. (sarcasm)Oh darn, there just aren't enough airplane accidents to keep that show going. (/sarcasm) Disasters at Sea just doesn't cut it, tho, as a replacement. They just don't have the formula right (too much repeated going over things).
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The Henry Louis Gates genealogy show, Finding Your Roots, seems to be doing this repackaging thing lately as well. The last couple of episodes have all been people that were profiled a season or two ago, but with a single theme (but not biology) linking all the guests on that episode.

Which is also odd, because there’s really just 3 or so recurring themes. 1) Someone is Askenazi Jewish, and so has ancestors in the Pale of Settlement. 2) someone is African American, and so
traces their family tree to an enslaved ancestor where the plantation owner is also an ancestor. 3) someone has a ancestor in a tiny village in Italy or Scotland
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Well I gave Killjoys a fair shot. I was hoping it would fill the Firefly-shaped hole in my heart, but unfortunately it was all high-contrast lighting, lens filters, overbearing soundtrack, douchebro dialogue, and confusing worldbuilding. It's a shame too, because I like Aaron Ashmore.
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Finished the first season of Into the Badlands, a post-apocalyptic kung-fu western soap opera. It's not good in the sense of writing, acting, or direction, though the camerawork is pretty solid. The real star in the fight choreography, which raises the question of why a cheap basic-cable action drama can shell out for a decent fight director and Iron Fist just couldn't be bothered.
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