If We Build It, They'll Probably Still Come

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Re: If We Build It, They'll Probably Still Come

Post by Warren » 28 Jun 2019, 20:49

Eric the .5b wrote:
28 Jun 2019, 20:46
Snopes says the story is bullshit.
The photographs touted by InfoWars were in fact those shot by Aguirre, who posted them on his Twitter account one year prior to InfoWars’ “newly uncovering” them.

The so-called empty parking lot was in fact a roadway leading towards the Tornillo Border Patrol station, where thousands of migrant children were housed in a tent city.

“It wasn’t an empty parking lot; it’s an entrance and we [media and protesters] weren’t allowed to go past that,” Aguirre told us.

He sent us another photograph in which the roadway and the fence blocking access to the migrant camp could be seen:

Ocasio-Cortez wasn’t the first or last person to get emotional after reaching that fence. “She finally got to the fence and right beyond that road, way to the left, was the [migrant tent city] camp, and it represented something that made her emotional,” Aguirre told us. “I’ve been out there, and some people get mad, some people cry, some people pray. No one questioned her [when the photographs were posted] last year.”

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Paul Joseph Watson, the InfoWars Twitter personality who helped boost the bogus “empty parking lot” story, was also key in pushing unfounded claims in April 2019 that the fire at the Notre Dame cathedral in Paris was intentionally set by Muslims.
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Re: If We Build It, They'll Probably Still Come

Post by lunchstealer » 28 Jun 2019, 20:50

Has anyone confirmed that this isn't just the gate that's closet to the tent city? Because the 'proof' shows a bunch of CBP totally not thugs those are heroes and first responders lined up on the other side of the fence so it's not like it was just some random fence out there in the desert.

Christ I hate it when people make me defend AOC because they manage to be even dumber.

EDIT: Oh yeah of course.
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Post by thoreau » 28 Jun 2019, 20:56

AOC is the left pole of a stupidity magnet. The right pole is irresistibly drawn to her.

I mean, she got half the internet to "Well, actually..." about detention camps that plenty of people had condemned in similar language for a year.

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Post by Eric the .5b » 28 Jun 2019, 22:30

thoreau wrote:
28 Jun 2019, 20:56
I mean, she got half the internet to "Well, actually..." about detention camps that plenty of people had condemned in similar language for a year.
Yeah, that's something I was contemplating the other day.
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Post by Jennifer » 03 Jul 2019, 14:59

Prediction: sooner or later, the appalling and overcrowded conditions in our concentration camps WILL spawn a disease outbreak among the inmates. Bigots will then cite this outbreak as further reason to keep them imprisoned, because "They're diseased and we don't want them spreading disease in our country!"
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Post by thoreau » 03 Jul 2019, 15:01

Also, frat houses have worse outbreaks than this. Why is everyone complaining about the living conditions? We should be outraged by the outrage.
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Post by Eric the .5b » 03 Jul 2019, 15:22

thoreau wrote:
03 Jul 2019, 15:01
Also, frat houses have worse outbreaks than this. Why is everyone complaining about the living conditions? We should be outraged by the outrage.
Or just ignore the outrage until AOC says something about it that plenty of other people have been saying for a year or so.
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Post by Jennifer » 03 Jul 2019, 15:52

If "lack of toothpaste and soap" is considered a human rights violation, why doesn't the UN condemn comic-cons, huh?
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Post by lunchstealer » 03 Jul 2019, 19:43

Jennifer wrote:
03 Jul 2019, 15:52
If "lack of toothpaste and soap" is considered a human rights violation, why doesn't the UN condemn comic-cons, huh?
They do.
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Post by Pham Nuwen » 03 Jul 2019, 20:41

There are no human beings at comic con.

*narrows eyes*

None.
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Post by Mo » 11 Jul 2019, 10:44

When your immigration round-up idea is too inhumane for ICE agents, you should reassess things.
Agents have expressed apprehensions about arresting babies and young children, officials have said.
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Post by Hugh Akston » 11 Jul 2019, 15:54

They're probably just worried that their zip-ties are too big for the kids' wrists
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Post by Jennifer » 13 Jul 2019, 16:32

History will not look kindly upon the photos of Pence touring our concentration camps.

At least he wasn't speaking alone with a woman other than his spouse, though. THAT would be IMMORAL.

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Re: If We Build It, They'll Probably Still Come

Post by Painboy » 13 Jul 2019, 16:43

Jennifer wrote:
13 Jul 2019, 16:32
History will not look kindly upon the photos of Pence touring our concentration camps.

At least he wasn't speaking alone with a woman other than his spouse, though. THAT would be IMMORAL.

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Post by Jennifer » 13 Jul 2019, 16:49

My mistake, Painboy. I meant to say "History will look kindly upon these photos of Pence."
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Post by thoreau » 13 Jul 2019, 17:01

History will not look kindly upon people who saw refugees in inhumane conditions and failed to show the utmost care in their choices of words and historical analogies.

Historians all agree that one of Hitler's most reprehensible acts was when he compared his actions to the Armenian genocide. The background, motives, military, and economic circumstances were hardly identical, yet he made that inaccurate historical analogy, showing reckless disregard for nuance. If he had spoken in more measured tones about his actions, people could have had a proper debate and taken the necessary time to choose words that might not alienate the Nazis. Perhaps he could have been removed in a bloodless coup if only everyone had chosen words more carefully.

So don't be a fucking Nazi...I mean, don't use intemperate words or ill-chosen analogies, lest you fail to win the support of some very fine people, Jennifer.

If these lessons from history won't satisfy you, at least consider some examples from fiction. Everyone agrees that BSG really went downhill when everyone went around saying "All of this has happened before and will happen again." Yes, there were problems with going from multi-episode story arcs that use the ensemble cast to a more stand-alone episode format, and God knows the New Caprica story had its problems. But that pales in comparison to the Cycle of History. That phrase is what ruined the show. They should have recognized the singular nature of these events and said "None of this has happened before, nor will it happen again."
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Re: If We Build It, They'll Probably Still Come

Post by Dangerman » 13 Jul 2019, 19:14

Have you guys seen photos of NYC jails?

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Post by dhex » 13 Jul 2019, 19:21

Ignoring the circle jerk for a moment, maybe this a serwer-esque the cruelty is the point kind of thing but holy shit what a ridiculously bad photo op moment. I get that their talking point is that all this is someone else's fault and that this might help further slow down border crossings. But still bad look overall.

Otooh pence has no base and everyone thinks he's a shitty robot so ehhh.
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Re: If We Build It, They'll Probably Still Come

Post by Andrew » 13 Jul 2019, 20:57

Dangerman wrote:
13 Jul 2019, 19:14
Have you guys seen photos of NYC jails?
Mainstream: it's a moral outrage that America has concentration camps!
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Re: If We Build It, They'll Probably Still Come

Post by thoreau » 13 Jul 2019, 21:41

For the record, I have been donating to organizations that work on criminal justice reform for a long time now.

But I suppose it is hypocritical of me to be even more upset now that small children are being shoved into similarly inhumane conditions.
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Re: If We Build It, They'll Probably Still Come

Post by Jennifer » 13 Jul 2019, 21:43

dhex wrote:
13 Jul 2019, 19:21
Otooh pence has no base and everyone thinks he's a shitty robot so ehhh.
Pence has no inherent base, but there's a dismayingly large number of Americans who seem to have the attitude "Look, I'm not saying I approve of what we're doing to those people in our concentration camps ... but if I condemn the camps, that means I have to agree with something Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez said, and that is NEVER gonna happen on MY watch, dammit."
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Re: If We Build It, They'll Probably Still Come

Post by Jennifer » 13 Jul 2019, 22:23

thoreau wrote:
13 Jul 2019, 21:41
For the record, I have been donating to organizations that work on criminal justice reform for a long time now.

But I suppose it is hypocritical of me to be even more upset now that small children are being shoved into similarly inhumane conditions.
Damned straight it is. Do you seriously expect any sane and honest person to believe it's possible for you to be concerned about more than one thing at a time? Like, you oppose the mistreatment of inmates in American prisons and the mistreatment of inmates in American concentration camps, simultaneously??! Uh huh. Next you'll try to say you also oppose the drug war AND the police mistreatment of minorities AND probably have some gripes about the lead in Flint's water supply and how Saudi Arabia mistreats its women, too.

How fucking dumb do you think we are, Thoreau? Dumb enough to fall for your virtue signaling, apparently.
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Re: If We Build It, They'll Probably Still Come

Post by Dangerman » 13 Jul 2019, 22:24

No, I'm saying that concentration camp is still a dumb way to talk about it.

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Post by D.A. Ridgely » 13 Jul 2019, 23:08

Dangerman wrote:
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No, I'm saying that concentration camp is still a dumb way to talk about it.
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