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Re: Antivaxxers

Post by Hugh Akston » 12 May 2019, 22:17

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Re: Antivaxxers

Post by Dangerman » 14 May 2019, 20:30

This was posted on FB by an actual friend who has a child.

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Re: Antivaxxers

Post by JasonL » 14 May 2019, 20:39

How many lies in that rant? Just the credentials- 12-15?

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Re: Antivaxxers

Post by Pham Nuwen » 14 May 2019, 20:51

JasonL wrote:
14 May 2019, 20:39
How many lies in that rant? Just the credentials- 12-15?
I just stopped after the second paragraph to make a wager here. That wager being she couldn't name even 2 "books" that are pro. And couldn't name more than 3 that are "anti".
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Re: Antivaxxers

Post by Pham Nuwen » 14 May 2019, 20:56

So she's taught classes on this stuff and only with certificates? Huh.
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Re: Antivaxxers

Post by lunchstealer » 15 May 2019, 05:30

Pham Nuwen wrote:So she's taught classes on this stuff and only with certificates? Huh.
I’m sure that they have classes at medical conferences like Homeopathy and Stupid Hippy Bullshit Con 13.
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Re: Antivaxxers

Post by Jennifer » 15 May 2019, 15:22

If the "University of Google" was good enough for Jenny McCarthy, it's good enough for the rest of us. We don't take kindly to your fancy-schmancy "scientific method" or "standards of evidence" 'round these-here parts.
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Re: Antivaxxers

Post by Mo » 21 May 2019, 08:30

This chart seems to cut against the CDC data on vaccination rates being flat for the last 2 decades. It's one state, but it's a biggie.

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Re: Antivaxxers

Post by Hugh Akston » 13 Jun 2019, 17:27

I had reason to look up why Hasidics are antivax. Turns out they aren't generally. The minority who are do so because they are defying their rabbis.
About 9% of Americans think vaccines are not safe, but Minke is unusual even among that vocal minority. She is an ultra-Orthodox Jew, part of a community known for adherence to the rulings of their rebbes — rabbinic leaders. And many of those rebbes have insisted that Jewish law requires vaccination. But a stubborn, if small, segment of the ultra-Orthodox community is saying that, when it comes to vaccines, their rebbes’ decrees do not apply.
It is very unusual for Hasidic Jews to go against the prevailing ultra-Orthodox interpretation of Jewish law, said Rabbi Yair Hoffman, a Hasidic educator and commentator who writes frequently about Jewish legal decisions.

“They’ve [the anti-vaccine cohort] been convinced by people that the rabbis have made an error, and are really relying on a minority view instead of a majority view,” Hoffman said.
Yet most major ultra-Orthodox rabbis and institutions have insisted on vaccination. Two of the largest yeshivas in the world — the Beth Medrash Gevoha in Lakewood, New Jersey, and the Mir Yeshiva in Jerusalem — have both stated that their thousands of students and teachers are required to get vaccinated. Ultra-Orthodox authorities on Jewish law have argued that the Talmudic imperative of pikuach nefesh, or saving a life, stipulates that all should be vaccinated to prevent the wider community.
tl;dr it's a small minority of orthodox Jews and an even smaller minority of orthodox rabbis who are anti-vax.
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Re: Antivaxxers

Post by Aresen » 23 Jun 2019, 19:47

Meet the New York couple donating millions to the anti-vax movement
A wealthy Manhattan couple has emerged as significant financiers of the anti-vaccine movement, contributing more than $3 million in recent years to groups that stoke fears about immunizations online and at live events -- including two forums this year at the epicenter of measles outbreaks in New York's ultra-Orthodox Jewish community.

Hedge fund manager and philanthropist Bernard Selz and his wife, Lisa, have long donated to organizations focused on the arts, culture, education and the environment. But seven years ago, their private foundation embraced a very different cause: groups that question the safety and effectiveness of vaccines.
Tax filings for the couple's charitable foundation show they began supporting the movement in 2012, when they gave $200,000 to a legal fund for Andrew Wakefield, one of the most important anti-vaccine activists.

Wakefield, a former gastroenterologist, rose to fame in 1998 after publishing a paper in The Lancet, a respected British medical journal, that linked the MMR vaccine to autism in eight children. An investigation by Britain's General Medical Council, which regulates doctors, found Wakefield guilty of professional misconduct in 2010 and revoked his license. The panel concluded that Wakefield had financial and ethical conflicts of interest, and had acted "dishonestly and irresponsibly." Twelve years after the study's publication, the Lancet retracted it.

Wakefield declined to comment for this report. He has repeatedly denied wrongdoing and said he was motivated by children's suffering.

"You have probably heard in the newspapers and elsewhere that I am guilty of scientific fraud," Wakefield said via Skype to a forum this spring in Rockland, New York. "And I want to reassure you that I have never been involved in scientific fraud. What happened to me is what happens to doctors who threaten the bottom line of the pharmaceutical companies."
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Re: Antivaxxers

Post by Mo » 02 Jul 2019, 18:03

This is malpractice. Start stripping medical licenses from these quacks.

https://www.latimes.com/local/californi ... story.html
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Re: Antivaxxers

Post by Aresen » 02 Jul 2019, 23:49

Mo wrote:
02 Jul 2019, 18:03
This is malpractice. Start stripping medical licenses from these quacks.

https://www.latimes.com/local/californi ... story.html
The article says the trend is highest in more affluent areas. At least the parents will have the resources to pay the settlements when their child is identified as the 'patent zero' in the outbreak.
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Re: Antivaxxers

Post by JasonL » 03 Jul 2019, 02:38

It’s all fun and games when you first notice hospitals with holistic care services ...

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Post by thoreau » 03 Jul 2019, 14:18

JasonL wrote:
03 Jul 2019, 02:38
It’s all fun and games when you first notice hospitals with holistic care services ...
On the plus side, Marianne Williamson's healthcare policy will spend far less money on end-of-life ICU extravaganzas. Crystals and homeopathy cost less than an army of medical specialists.
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Re: Antivaxxers

Post by Jennifer » 03 Jul 2019, 14:21

Aresen wrote:
02 Jul 2019, 23:49
Mo wrote:
02 Jul 2019, 18:03
This is malpractice. Start stripping medical licenses from these quacks.

https://www.latimes.com/local/californi ... story.html
The article says the trend is highest in more affluent areas. At least the parents will have the resources to pay the settlements when their child is identified as the 'patent zero' in the outbreak.
Thanks to antivaxxer lunacy, America might well be on its way to becoming the first civilization in history where rich kids are more likely to get sick than poor ones.
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Re: Antivaxxers

Post by Aresen » 03 Jul 2019, 20:38

Jennifer wrote:
03 Jul 2019, 14:21
Aresen wrote:
02 Jul 2019, 23:49
Mo wrote:
02 Jul 2019, 18:03
This is malpractice. Start stripping medical licenses from these quacks.

https://www.latimes.com/local/californi ... story.html
The article says the trend is highest in more affluent areas. At least the parents will have the resources to pay the settlements when their child is identified as the 'patent zero' in the outbreak.
Thanks to antivaxxer lunacy, America might well be on its way to becoming the first civilization in history where rich kids are more likely to get sick than poor ones.
Let me tell you about affluenza..
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Post by Jennifer » 14 Sep 2019, 17:06

Thanks for your wonderful contributions to the betterment of humanity, anti-vaxxer shitheads!
US in danger of losing measles-free status, a 'mortifying' effect of anti-vaxx movement

Millions of Americans suffered from measles in the decades before the U.S. eliminated the disease in 2000. But if an ongoing outbreak in New York state continues into next month, the U.S. could lose its "measles-free" status.

"As a global leader in public health, it is mortifying that (the U.S.) may lose its measles elimination status," said Dr. Paul Spiegel, director of the Johns Hopkins Center for Humanitarian Health. "The measles outbreaks should not have occurred as vaccination against measles is very effective."

The U.S. isn't alone. Four countries — Albania, Greece, the Czech Republic and the United Kingdom — recently lost their measles elimination status, which the World Health Organization defines as the absence of continuous disease transmission for greater than 12 months.

The U.S. would immediately lose its elimination status if there is any case connected to the current outbreak on or after Oct. 2, according to CDC spokeswoman Kristen Nordlund....
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Post by Jennifer » 14 Sep 2019, 18:57

OFFS: One of my antivaxxer acquaintances on Facebook posted an RIP for her dog, who was only 5 but died yesterday of kidney complications from Lyme disease. Her post reminded everyone to protect themselves and their pets from ticks -- though presumably this protection should NOT include "vaccinating yourself and your pets against certain tick-borne diseases which are super-commonplace in your area, especially considering that you live in Connecticut only a few miles from the town for which Lyme disease got its NAME."
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Post by Aresen » 14 Sep 2019, 20:52

So, I had a shouting match with my Homeopathic Practitioner who is also AntiVaxx friend this morning. I made a comment about my reaction to a shingles vaccination earlier this week and she used that as a pretext to launch into her antivaxx screed. I interrupted her loudly saying "Shut it down!!" because I did not want to have another argument with her about vaccinations. Now she is angry with me because I wouldn't let her go on with her preaching.
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Re: Antivaxxers

Post by Jennifer » 16 Sep 2019, 18:46

Seen on Facebook:

[EDIT: Image removed; see Lunchstealer's comment directly below mine.]

My comment:

If you think the number of vaccines is high, you should see the number of *diseases* humans can get! (Also: any lifetime amount of ANYTHING will look enormous, especially in comparison to a small child. Like, take a photo of me as a child, use Photoshop to add ALL doses of prescription medication I have taken throughout my life thus far, and you could easily make it look like I'm an addict or at least chronically ill -- as opposed to "a generally healthy adult who, once in awhile, gets sick enough to require an antibiotic or some other modern medical aid.")
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Re: Antivaxxers

Post by lunchstealer » 16 Sep 2019, 18:54

Jennifer wrote:
16 Sep 2019, 18:46
Seen on Facebook:

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My comment:

If you think the number of vaccines is high, you should see the number of *diseases* humans can get! (Also: any lifetime amount of ANYTHING will look enormous, especially in comparison to a small child. Like, take a photo of me as a child, use Photoshop to add ALL doses of prescription medication I have taken throughout my life thus far, and you could easily make it look like I'm an addict or at least chronically ill -- as opposed to "a generally healthy adult who, once in awhile, gets sick enough to require an antibiotic or some other modern medical aid.")
The linked image won't render outside of facebook, as near as I can tell, so here it is for the non-bookfaced:
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And... I mean 70+ of those are annual flu shots, most of which happen as an adult, along with pneumonia vaccinations and shingles vaccines.

Take out the ones that happen after adulthood and all of a sudden it looks a lot different.
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Re: Antivaxxers

Post by Eric the .5b » 16 Sep 2019, 18:54

Jennifer wrote:
16 Sep 2019, 18:46
Seen on Facebook:
Just looking up vaccine schedules, I'm pretty sure that kid has more needles going into his right arm than actual injections and boosters that kids are supposed to get up, at least up to age 6.
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Re: Antivaxxers

Post by Jennifer » 16 Sep 2019, 19:00

lunchstealer wrote:
16 Sep 2019, 18:54

The linked image won't render outside of facebook,
Huh, I saw it just fine. Although when I double-checked just now, I see she had the picture set to "friends only." So I went ahead and deleted my link. Thanks for posting it.

Except, you're not "friends" with her, and you saw it? I wonder if it's something like, it's visible to her FB "friends," and also mine since I posted that comment?
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Post by Eric the .5b » 16 Sep 2019, 19:03

Jennifer wrote:
16 Sep 2019, 19:00
Huh, I saw it just fine. Although when I double-checked just now, I see she had the picture set to "friends only." So I went ahead and deleted my link.
Weird; that original image shows up for me, and it even comes up in incognito. Who knows, with Facebook...
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