Iran (so far away)

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Re: Iran (so far away)

Post by Aresen » 02 Jan 2018, 14:43

Fairly, EVERY head of government faces the dilemma of what to say about and to people seeking democratic/liberal reform in an oppressive state:

On the one hand, you want to let those seeking change that you support their desires. On the other hand, you don't want to taint their movement with the 'foreign stooge' tag that the oppressive government will throw at them. The latter is particularly a problem for US leaders because the US is the favorite scapegoat for all of the world's ills.

Ultimately, I think it has to come down to the notion that you don't mess in other countries' internal politics.
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Re: Iran (so far away)

Post by thoreau » 02 Jan 2018, 15:01

Aresen wrote:
02 Jan 2018, 14:43
Ultimately, I think it has to come down to the notion that you don't mess in other countries' internal politics.
If there's anyone on earth who has no problem with governments meddling in other countries' internal politics, it's Donaldik Fredovich Trump.
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Post by Aresen » 02 Jan 2018, 15:09

thoreau wrote:
02 Jan 2018, 15:01
Aresen wrote:
02 Jan 2018, 14:43
Ultimately, I think it has to come down to the notion that you don't mess in other countries' internal politics.
If there's anyone on earth who has no problem with governments meddling in other countries' internal politics, it's Donaldik Fredovich Trump.
That occurred to me as I wrote. It applies to both Trump and his FSB controls.
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Re: Iran (so far away)

Post by Mo » 30 Apr 2018, 22:14

So the big news is that Iran had plans for a nuclear weapons program in ... checks calendar ... 2003. This is somehow news in 2018?
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Re: Iran (so far away)

Post by Aresen » 01 May 2018, 00:48

Mo wrote:
30 Apr 2018, 22:14
So the big news is that Iran had plans for a nuclear weapons program in ... checks calendar ... 2003. This is somehow news in 2018?
At this point, they're probably thinking "Saddam, Gadaffi. Why the fuck didn't we build them?"
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Post by Aresen » 30 Jul 2018, 23:30

I have seen this movie before.

Trump says ready to meet Iran's Rouhani

As Trump arrives, he will announce his intention to withdraw all US forces to the Western Hemisphere.

Iran's vague promises to end their nuclear program will be a 'totally better deal' than Obama's. :roll:
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Re: Iran (so far away)

Post by Mo » 31 Jul 2018, 09:34

Aresen wrote:
30 Jul 2018, 23:30
I have seen this movie before.

Trump says ready to meet Iran's Rouhani

As Trump arrives, he will announce his intention to withdraw all US forces to the Western Hemisphere.

Iran's vague promises to end their nuclear program will be a 'totally better deal' than Obama's. :roll:
Trump will take credit for preventing war with Iran.
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Re: Iran (so far away)

Post by Highway » 31 Jul 2018, 10:06

Mo wrote:
Aresen wrote:
30 Jul 2018, 23:30
I have seen this movie before.

Trump says ready to meet Iran's Rouhani

As Trump arrives, he will announce his intention to withdraw all US forces to the Western Hemisphere.

Iran's vague promises to end their nuclear program will be a 'totally better deal' than Obama's. :roll:
Trump will take credit for preventing war with Iran.
Trump is the American epitome of "matchpump".
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Post by Hugh Akston » 06 Aug 2018, 14:29

So Trump is going to follow through on his idiotic promise to punish the Iranian people for whatever.

But he did add this:
Trump announced Monday, however, that he is open to negotiating a new deal. In his statement, Trump noted that “As we continue applying maximum economic pressure on the Iranian regime, I remain open to reaching a more comprehensive deal that addresses the full range of the regime’s malign activities, including its ballistic missile program and its support for terrorism.
The most obvious question being why would anyone believe that a deal with the Trump administration is worth the paper it's printed on?
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Post by Highway » 06 Aug 2018, 14:36

Hah, like Trump's agreements are ever on paper. They're usually just handshakes, and they seem to work out great for everyone who isn't Trump so far. Ask Kim Jong Un how that "denuclearization" is going.
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Post by Aresen » 06 May 2019, 16:11

Fuck John Bolton

'Unrelenting force': U.S. deploying bombers, carrier to Middle East in warning to Iran
U.S. national security adviser John Bolton says move comes in response to 'troubling' warnings
The United States is deploying a carrier strike group and a bomber task force to the Middle East to send a clear message to Iran that any attack on U.S. interests or its allies will be met with "unrelenting force," U.S. national security adviser John Bolton said on Sunday.

Amid rising tensions between the United States and Iran, Bolton said the decision was "in response to a number of troubling and escalatory indications and warnings."

"The United States is not seeking war with the Iranian regime, but we are fully prepared to respond to any attack, whether by proxy, the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps or regular Iranian forces," Bolton said in a statement.
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Post by lunchstealer » 06 May 2019, 16:25

Trump must master his Thu'um and learn the Way of the Voice before he can ascend to the peak above High Hrothgar and meet the leader of the Grey'staches.
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Post by Pham Nuwen » 06 May 2019, 16:56

God please not again. Please.
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Post by Hugh Akston » 06 May 2019, 22:26

I think we all know that the unmistakable message Trump is sending is that he wants people to look over there.
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Post by Pham Nuwen » 06 May 2019, 22:56

He wants to be a war time president with high popularity. That's how you etch out a second term. Like George W did.
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Post by Aresen » 06 May 2019, 23:46

Pham Nuwen wrote:
06 May 2019, 22:56
He wants to be a war time president with high popularity. That's how you etch out a second term. Like George W did.
Well, if he could overcome his debilitating bone spur and lead the first squad himself....
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Re: Iran (so far away)

Post by thoreau » 07 May 2019, 00:08

Aresen wrote:
06 May 2019, 23:46
Pham Nuwen wrote:
06 May 2019, 22:56
He wants to be a war time president with high popularity. That's how you etch out a second term. Like George W did.
Well, if he could overcome his debilitating bone spur and lead the first squad himself....
If Trump will lead the invasion, I will join the military and volunteer to march right behind him, gun drawn, as he charges into Iran.
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Re: Iran (so far away)

Post by Mo » 07 May 2019, 08:31

Guys that exercise was planned already and announced a month ago. Hugh is right.
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Post by Eric the .5b » 07 May 2019, 15:45

Yeah, Julian Sanchez and others have been pointing out that the chuckleheads are trying to spin a long-planned exercise as a scary warning.
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Post by tr0g » 07 May 2019, 15:49

John Bolton wants a fucking war with Iran before the moustache recalls him to the mothership. I don’t know what it is, but Bolton is convinced it can be solved by attacking Iran.
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Re: Iran (so far away)

Post by Mo » 14 May 2019, 16:05

Well, I guess War with Iran is the 2020 re-election strategy. Amazing how the “don’t trust anonymous sources” crowd is all in on one random DC anonymous source that admitted didn’t have direct info, but yet firmly blamed Iran for attacking the oil tankers.
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Re: Iran (so far away)

Post by Pham Nuwen » 14 May 2019, 17:58

Mo wrote:
14 May 2019, 16:05
Well, I guess War with Iran is the 2020 re-election strategy. Amazing how the “don’t trust anonymous sources” crowd is all in on one random DC anonymous source that admitted didn’t have direct info, but yet firmly blamed Iran for attacking the oil tankers.
That is my fear.
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Re: Iran (so far away)

Post by Mo » 14 May 2019, 18:14

I can’t imagine it will be effective. Wars are popular when they get people to rally around the flag because they feel under attack. Who the fuck has sympathy for the Saudis or is scared of the Iranians that isn’t already in Team Red? Especially when we’re pulling money from warfighting to build pointless walls.
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Re: Iran (so far away)

Post by Pham Nuwen » 14 May 2019, 19:10

Mo wrote:
14 May 2019, 18:14
I can’t imagine it will be effective. Wars are popular when they get people to rally around the flag because they feel under attack. Who the fuck has sympathy for the Saudis or is scared of the Iranians that isn’t already in Team Red? Especially when we’re pulling money from warfighting to build pointless walls.
I've just watched a large portion of Congress fuck a lot of shit up in the last 2 months. Just saying.
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Re: Iran (so far away)

Post by thoreau » 14 May 2019, 19:16

Khadaffi* gave up his nuclear program, and then the US supported people who killed him.

Saddam Hussein allowed his nuclear program to be dismantled and was then overthrown by the US.

Ukraine gave up nukes and lost Crimea.

Iran made a nuclear deal with the US, only to watch the US tear it up and rattle the saber.

Nobody will ever again give up nukes.



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