The Abortion Thread

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Post by JasonL » 01 Apr 2019, 13:42

Yeah I saw some of those shares of “it changed my mind” and was like nope no way ugh guys.

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Post by nicole » 01 Apr 2019, 14:23

haha wait what, the movie changed their mind?

or the fake banning changed their mind?
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Post by Jennifer » 01 Apr 2019, 14:36

Mo wrote:
01 Apr 2019, 13:00
So the anti-abortion movie created a viral social media firestorm that hinges on their target market being idiots.

And it's working.
You're talking about people who take it on faith that Planned Parenthood rakes in jillions of dollars selling "baby parts" (and also, based on the examples they like to use, that the only women who ever seek abortions are childfree unmarried sluts -- nowhere in the world exists, say, a respectable married mama who thinks "My husband and I cannot afford more children than we've already got, yet I am unwilling to be celibate for the rest of my life").
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Post by JasonL » 01 Apr 2019, 14:37

The right o spheric part of my facebook feed was sharing a couple of articles about how the writer was a libertarian and so there was no way she would be interested in this movie then her friend made her go and it opened her eyes. She is still in favor of choice but she has so many more questions now. And so on. I assumed it was a campaign for believers to pass amongst each other - it hit too many notes.

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Post by nicole » 01 Apr 2019, 14:59

Lol I just read the synopsis and it was apparently an abortion at 13 weeks gestation that converted her.
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Post by Mo » 01 Apr 2019, 15:16

Oh and after being RTed by Pence, it starting posting QAnon memes.

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Post by nicole » 01 Apr 2019, 16:06

At this point I'm like...so this is a pro-abortion op right

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Post by Mo » 01 Apr 2019, 17:14

I mean between the Elon Musk Harambe rap and Jim Carey feuding with Mussolini’s granddaughter it’s pretty on brand for 2019.
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Post by nicole » 01 Apr 2019, 18:07

Mo wrote:
01 Apr 2019, 17:14
I mean between the Elon Musk Harambe rap and Jim Carey feuding with Mussolini’s granddaughter it’s pretty on brand for 2019.
2019 is what happens when the branding guys lose control and you go full direct-response
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Post by dhex » 01 Apr 2019, 18:16

2019 is what happens when the brand narrative is designed by committee and the committee is eating ayahuasca tide pods.
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Post by Jennifer » 04 Apr 2019, 12:52

Migrant girls in our concentration camps as young as 12, were having their periods tracked so authorities can prevent them from getting abortions.
... the tracking was done by the anti-abortion advocate Scott Lloyd, the head of refugee resettlement at the height of the children separation (he has since been removed from that post). Lloyd declared he needed to sign off on all abortion requests (this was previously not the case) and in one instance, attempted to use a migrant girl as a way to test an “abortion reversal” method.

Lloyd has admitted to pressuring these young women to keep their pregnancies. Seemingly, he was quite strenuous in his insistence. In one email, Lloyd relates that a pregnant woman in his care who was seeking—and being kept from having—an abortion mentioned suicide. In response to that, he writes: “The clinician describes her demeanor as 'obnoxious' and that 'the unborn child is in our care so the medical team should continue with standard prenatal care.'" If she continued to want an abortion after “spiritual counseling,” Lloyd continues, she’d have to obtain parental consent. Because deciding to terminate a pregnancy seemingly takes more maturity than motherhood. And, if you think they did not take into account how difficult it might be for teenage migrants to obtain consent from parents they might not be traveling with—oh, don’t worry. They took that into account.

This tracking continued well after the ACLU intervened to stop government interference with immigrant women seeking abortions.

And what happens when these children are born? Well, that’s hard to say. However, we know that many migrant children have gone to Bethany Christian Services, an organization that has received hundreds of thousands of dollars from Trump’s education secretary, Betsy DeVos. It is also an agency that allegedly won’t place children with LGBTQ couples. Asylum-seekers are separated from their children, and then told by officials that if they don’t “behave” they will put their children up for adoption.

And once those children have gone to foster homes, they may well be gone for good....
Some legalized-abortion opponents, I assume, are good people.
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Post by Jennifer » 10 Apr 2019, 13:31

http://www.fox5dc.com/news/texas-lawmak ... r-abortion
AUSTIN, Texas - State legislators stayed up well into the morning hearing emotional testimony about a proposed abortion ban.

House Bill 896 would criminalize abortion and classify it as a homicide. Women who have abortions could be sentenced to the death penalty.
No mention of whether law enforcement would be empowered to investigate miscarriages as possible crimes, the way Georgia's proposed anti-abortion bill would.
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Post by Jennifer » 18 Apr 2019, 16:46

Points for honesty: a forced-birther openly admits his goal is to force women to have more babies than they/we want or can afford.

https://shareblue.com/gop-lawmaker-dela ... CmZKQaWJ7I
A Delaware Republican state legislator said the quiet part out loud on Tuesday, when he admitted that two pieces of anti-abortion legislation he is introducing are really aimed at forcing women to give birth to more children than they are willing or able to bear.

"You know, we have a massive problem in this country," GOP state Rep. Richard Collins said in an interview on WGMD-FM, a conservative talk radio station in Delaware, according to audio obtained by RawStory. "Our birthrate is way, way below replacement. You know, we are just not having enough babies."

Collins claimed that one of the reasons women aren't having "enough" babies is because they have legal access to abortion, and are "doing away" with fetuses "before they have a chance to grow into these people that we need to support us."

Unfortunately for Collins, there is no evidence at all to suggest that the birthrate in the U.S. is down because of abortion.

In fact, studies show women are having fewer babies by personal choice, either because they want to focus on their careers or simply cannot afford the cost of a child.

Abortion rates are also declining in the U.S. and other developed countries because more women have access to higher quality birth control methods.

But no birth control method is perfect, and no pregnancy is risk-free — which is why women need access to safe, legal abortion to end a pregnancy that they are unable or unwilling to carry to term.

However, Republicans like Collins are using phony concern for fetuses as an excuse to force women to give birth against their will. ...
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Post by nicole » 18 Apr 2019, 20:39

To be fair, saying fetuses are needed to become “these people we need to support us” isn’t exactly “concern for fetuses” at all, phony or otherwise.
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Post by Eric the .5b » 18 Apr 2019, 20:50

nicole wrote:
18 Apr 2019, 20:39
To be fair, saying fetuses are needed to become “these people we need to support us” isn’t exactly “concern for fetuses” at all, phony or otherwise.
Even worse if you read it as "those white people we need to support us", given immigration is why the population is growing.
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Post by Jennifer » 18 Apr 2019, 22:59

Regarding those whose opposition to abortion stems primarily from white-supremacist attitudes -- the irony is that if they did succeed in passing the abortion bans of their dreams, the non-white birthrate will rise far faster than the white one. After all: wealthy women who need abortions will still be able to get them even in light of a ban; it's only poor women who will be forced to give birth. And, and this country has a hell of a lot more wealthy white women that any other color.
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Post by Eric the .5b » 18 Apr 2019, 23:04

Jennifer wrote:
18 Apr 2019, 22:59
Regarding those whose opposition to abortion stems primarily from white-supremacist attitudes -- the irony is that if they did succeed in passing the abortion bans of their dreams, the non-white birthrate will rise far faster than the white one. After all: wealthy women who need abortions will still be able to get them even in light of a ban; it's only poor women who will be forced to give birth. And, and this country has a hell of a lot more wealthy white women that any other color.
Yup, but in their minds, it's all the non-rich white women who'll stop being constantly-aborting sluts and become baby factories.
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Post by Jennifer » 19 Apr 2019, 15:32

Even assuming the birthrate IS low enough to cause actual concern, and further assuming that immigration is not an option, Zod forbid people address the situation by, say, asking women "Why aren't you having more kids? Is there anything we could do to help?" No -- best to force us to be brood mares. And, no doubt, piously refuse to offer any financial assistance to mothers in need, because THAT violates the "socialism is bad and personal responsibility is good" credo of the forced-birth brigade.
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Post by nicole » 19 Apr 2019, 17:11

Or, assuming the birth rate is low enough to cause concern, people could realize it’s wrong to create people just to be the tax slaves of others.
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Post by Aresen » 19 Apr 2019, 17:43

Personally, I am happy about the low birth rate. I think there are too many people on the planet - my preferred numbers are in the 100 million range* - and, if people of their own free will decide to have fewer children, that is all to the good. It will take centuries for the population to drop to the level I want and no one need be coerced.

*(This is an arbitrary preference. I am not going to argue about it. Leave it at 'I like more space.')
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Post by Jennifer » 19 Apr 2019, 19:25

How Doctors And The [Catholic] Church Conspired To Stop An 11-Year-Old Girl [in Argentina] From Having An Abortion After She Was Raped
Lucía sat up in her hospital bed as the priest made the sign of the cross on her forehead, the 11-year-old’s bulging belly visible underneath her pajama shirt.

“Think long and hard about what you’re considering doing,” Lucía’s mother remembered the priest telling them. “Save both lives,” he said.

Lucía wasn’t sure what the priest was talking about. She only knew her grandmother’s partner had done something bad to her and now she had a terrible stomachache.

The priest was just one of a constant stream of people, including government officials, who came to the hospital in February to coerce Lucía into giving birth. But Lucía, who still had some of her baby teeth, only had one thing on her mind as she begged the adults around her in between crying fits: Take out the thing the old man put in me.

Her visitors refused.

One of them, Gustavo Vigliocco, head of the health care system in the province of Tucumán in northern Argentina, wanted to make a deal with Lucía’s family — he offered to keep the baby in exchange for a house and a scholarship for Lucía, her mother said he told them. Meanwhile nurses gave Lucía a corticoid injection, which would make the fetus’s lungs mature faster, telling her it was a vitamin shot, according to her lawyers. During an ultrasound, doctors excitedly told her she would be the mother of a baby girl.

They all seemed to be pushing the limits on Lucía’s health while doctors bought time for the fetus to grow and become viable.

Abortion is illegal in Argentina, except in cases of rape or when the pregnant woman’s life is in danger — both of which applied to Lucía, according to the doctors who were eventually called in to operate [a C-section] on her....
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Post by Eric the .5b » 19 Apr 2019, 19:47

Yeah. Hopefully, Kavanaugh likes his beer more than his liver can handle.
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Post by Jennifer » 23 Apr 2019, 15:14

Alabama's latest effort: criminalize abortion TWO weeks after conception, and make it a death penalty offense to boot.

https://www.refinery29.com/en-us/2019/0 ... roe-v-wade

I know self-described libertarians who want to outlaw abortion insist they are NOT trying to trample on the rights of women of child-bearing age, but I sure wish one of them would offer an explanation of exactly how they imagine such a ban would play out WITHOUT doing so.
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Post by JD » 23 Apr 2019, 15:41

That Argentina story is really horrifying. If you're lying to an 11-year-old rape victim to prevent her from having an abortion, you just might be the bad guy, although I suppose they'll never see it that way.
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Post by Eric the .5b » 23 Apr 2019, 16:11

Jennifer wrote:
23 Apr 2019, 15:14
Alabama's latest effort: criminalize abortion TWO weeks after conception, and make it a death penalty offense to boot.
In some wishful part of my mind, I want the next Roe v. Wade challenge to be something so stupid that it gets slapped down 8-1 or 9-0.

And yet, I'm not confident that would actually happen with something like this.
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