Fragments of an avotoast anthropology

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Re: Fragments of an avotoast anthropology

Post by Jennifer » 07 Apr 2019, 14:39

Warren wrote:
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Jennifer wrote:
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Re: Fragments of an avotoast anthropology

Post by Warren » 07 Apr 2019, 14:45

JasonL wrote:
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Warren wrote:I'm sure I've linked to this before. It's super relevant.
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Post by JasonL » 07 Apr 2019, 18:45

Rings are body, tentacles attach to head. The mystery about what what could pass for a tentacled head is what I was trying to make a joke about.

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Post by Kwix » 08 Apr 2019, 14:25

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Post by JasonL » 08 Apr 2019, 14:28

Hey that's pretty solid.

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Post by nicole » 19 Jul 2019, 08:55

Is it just me or does this article basically forget about the existence of poor minorities and their still very much extant children? Like...they’re just totally not present here https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archi ... ne/594133/
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Re: Fragments of an avotoast anthropology

Post by Andrew » 19 Jul 2019, 09:09

nicole wrote:
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Is it just me or does this article basically forget about the existence of poor minorities and their still very much extant children? Like...they’re just totally not present here https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archi ... ne/594133/
That article reads like a carefully scrubbed NRx article.
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Re: Fragments of an avotoast anthropology

Post by Hugh Akston » 19 Jul 2019, 15:16

Andrew wrote:
19 Jul 2019, 09:09
nicole wrote:
19 Jul 2019, 08:55
Is it just me or does this article basically forget about the existence of poor minorities and their still very much extant children? Like...they’re just totally not present here https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archi ... ne/594133/
That article reads like a carefully scrubbed NRx article.
It is kind of lulzy to see the lefty version of White Fertility Panic, especially when they have to grapple with the idea that this is a consequence of womens liberation.
Even couples in affluent countries who are having sex might be naturally happy with fewer children. As the cost of child care has soared relative to income, it’s proven quite difficult for public policy to encourage couples to have more kids. The nation of Hungary is experimenting with perhaps the most aggressive pro-fertility policy in the developed world, with housing benefits and large tax exemptions for children far greater than what's offered in the U.S. That nation's fertility rate is still extremely low and far beneath the replacement rate, which might suggest that couples in advanced economies—and, in particularly, educated mothers in advanced economies—simply don’t want more children.
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Post by nicole » 19 Jul 2019, 15:24

Imagine if I actually lived in an entertainment machine for the childless elite and not an oppression machine for normies.
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Re: Fragments of an avotoast anthropology

Post by Hugh Akston » 19 Jul 2019, 15:43

Another entry in the growing subgenre of thinkpieces that frame with abject horror nicole's ideal world.
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Post by Painboy » 19 Jul 2019, 16:32

I also imagine this is going to becoming more and more of discussion as population growth dwindles. Without enough youth left to pillage who is going to pay for Medicare and Social Security?

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Post by JasonL » 19 Jul 2019, 16:34

Tax the robots.

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Re: Fragments of an avotoast anthropology

Post by Hugh Akston » 19 Jul 2019, 16:34

Painboy wrote:
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I also imagine this is going to becoming more and more of discussion as population growth dwindles. Without enough youth left to pillage who is going to pay for Medicare and Social Security?
Evul billionaires duh. Do you even left bro?
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Re: Fragments of an avotoast anthropology

Post by Jennifer » 19 Jul 2019, 17:45

Hugh Akston wrote:
19 Jul 2019, 15:16
It is kind of lulzy to see the lefty version of White Fertility Panic, especially when they have to grapple with the idea that this is a consequence of womens liberation.
Even couples in affluent countries who are having sex might be naturally happy with fewer children. As the cost of child care has soared relative to income, it’s proven quite difficult for public policy to encourage couples to have more kids. The nation of Hungary is experimenting with perhaps the most aggressive pro-fertility policy in the developed world, with housing benefits and large tax exemptions for children far greater than what's offered in the U.S. That nation's fertility rate is still extremely low and far beneath the replacement rate, which might suggest that couples in advanced economies—and, in particularly, educated mothers in advanced economies—simply don’t want more children.
More than that, it's a consequence of undeniable economic differences between modern life versus most of history -- unless you're some exploitative stage-parent type, or you win the Kid Lottery (at least one of your progeny grows up to be superduper rich, and generously shares this with you), having children is a net financial drain, compared to something like an old-school farmer for whom (all else being equal) the more children you have, the better off you'll be: those kids can do valuable farm chores while still young, and most of what they need can be raised on the farm anyway.
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Post by Jennifer » 19 Jul 2019, 17:50

By the way, I first came across the obvious-in-retrospect economic difference between parenthood now and parenthood then in Marvin Harris' book "America Now: Anthropology of a Changing Culture," c. 1981. Definitely worth reading if you can find a copy affordably. (Later reprinted in slightly altered form as "Why Nothing Works.") Amazon link.
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Re: Fragments of an avotoast anthropology

Post by Warren » 19 Jul 2019, 18:03

Hugh Akston wrote:
19 Jul 2019, 15:16
It is kind of lulzy to see the lefty version of White Fertility Panic, especially when they have to grapple with the idea that this is a consequence of womens liberation.
So lulzy. Much lefty.
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Post by Kolohe » 19 Jul 2019, 21:53

JasonL wrote:
19 Jul 2019, 16:34
Tax the robots.
How do you say 'No Taxation Without Representation' in binary?
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Post by nicole » 18 Sep 2019, 08:04

Migration thread (and Atlantic article) for JasonL



That list of states just makes me shudder. So. Hot.
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Post by JasonL » 18 Sep 2019, 10:14

Interesting and part of the ongoing story of what millennials do when forming households. The math is compelling, and honestly a lot of those places are pretty nice. Hot, yes. I think the long run cultural and political story is a bit more complicated - those places will change those people as much as those people change those places. Mobility is only for the good over the long run.

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Post by Warren » 18 Sep 2019, 10:32

How many "red metros" with populations of say 500k+ are there?
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Post by JD » 18 Sep 2019, 11:09

Warren wrote:
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How many "red metros" with populations of say 500k+ are there?
It depends how you define "red metros" exactly, but cities of 500k+ population with Republican mayors are San Diego, Jacksonville, Fort Worth, El Paso, Oklahoma City, and Fresno. That's obviously a small minority of large cities: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_m ... ted_States

There were a number of Sunbelt and Rustbelt metro areas that went for Trump: https://www.citylab.com/equity/2016/12/ ... ed/508313/
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Post by Jadagul » 18 Sep 2019, 17:45

Warren wrote:
18 Sep 2019, 10:32
How many "red metros" with populations of say 500k+ are there?
Red versus blue tracks population density pretty closely. So on some level there aren't really any red metros.

Red states are states where the metro areas are overwhelmed by the low-population areas. The usual question is how big the cities are relative to the rest of the state. And that's why people moving to the cities from out of state makes the state bluer.

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Post by Mo » 18 Sep 2019, 18:19

JD wrote:
Warren wrote:
18 Sep 2019, 10:32
How many "red metros" with populations of say 500k+ are there?
It depends how you define "red metros" exactly, but cities of 500k+ population with Republican mayors are San Diego, Jacksonville, Fort Worth, El Paso, Oklahoma City, and Fresno. That's obviously a small minority of large cities: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_m ... ted_States

There were a number of Sunbelt and Rustbelt metro areas that went for Trump: https://www.citylab.com/equity/2016/12/ ... ed/508313/
I mean NYC has had Republican mayors, but I wouldn’t call that a red metro. El Paso is definitely not a red metro.
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