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Post by Fin Fang Foom » 21 Aug 2017, 13:12

Jon Bernthal is the only Punisher I have liked. None of the others (actors and comic book) seem like broken men.
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Post by Ellie » 22 Aug 2017, 22:53

I loved the Punisher on Daredevil season 2.

I'm 7 episodes into Defenders and I really, really want to like it, but UGGGGHHHHHHHH. So much talking. The Defenders argue about what they're going to do. The Hand argues about what they're going to do. The Hand talk about their plan. The Defenders wonder what the Hand's plan is, which we the audience now already know. Various Defenders split into small groups and discuss how crazy this all is. The police talk to the Defenders. The Defenders talk to each other about what they should say to the police. The Defenders argue about what they're going to do ...

Interspersed with "fight scene! take your pick: ten random mooks in black pajamas or a big baddie that we know will get away to fight another day! it's so poorly lit for most of the fight you can only see your reflection in your computer monitor!"

It's not helping that I'm not the target audience for this kind of story. Immortal ninjas want to blow up the island of Manhattan to return to their transdimensional city! Give me Fisk or even Cottonmouth -- even Kilgrave locking kids in closets -- any day. Give me hard dirty flawed closeup man versus man conflicts, not this "global faceless conspiracy" bullshit because no1currrrrrrrr

Edited to add: also, Danny Rand is still a super whiny little bitch.
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Post by Aresen » 22 Aug 2017, 23:45

In a blank moment, I assumed the revival of this thread was a response to Trump's Afghanistan speech last night.
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Post by Ellie » 22 Aug 2017, 23:50

Wait, that's it? There's only 8 episodes? It's not going to get a chance to find its stride and stumble onto any actual story arcs? Nooooooo. This was a complete waste of potential. COMPLETE. WASTE.
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Post by Ellie » 23 Aug 2017, 12:56

Disappointing final episode. Guys, even without the sarcophagi full of blood, nobody stays dead in the MCU, so we know he's not dead. Just stop.

Colleen has gotten just as bitchy and whiny as Danny. He is not a good influence on her!

Also -- this annoyed me way more than it should have -- that stupid scene when the heroes are getting back to the police station, and Karen and Foggy are watching the door in slow motion, and eventually realize Matt's not coming. Bullshit. Danny Rand would be a twat like that, but Luke and Claire would be sitting down to break the news gently, not cuddling up in the corner letting Karen and Foggy twist in the wind. It was just out of character and pointless for the sake of trying to be all artsy and dramatic.
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Post by MJGreen » 23 Aug 2017, 14:17

Yeah, that moment in the police station was hilariously wrong. Unless Matt was actually going to walk through the door. But he didn't, so why wouldn't Claire break the news to her friend Foggy? Or use it as an opportunity to signify that the Defenders became a team, as the three come together to comfort their fallen partner's loved ones.

I feel like book could be written about all the things wrong with The Defenders. The villains are boring and ineffective. Alexandra appears to have no skills or plan beyond siccing Elektra on her enemies. Boring, time-wasting B-stories; I started to doze off during Cage's scenes about that kid and his mother. Taaaaaaaalking. So much talking with so little clarity of motives, threats, and plans.

The show really only entertained me when it was making fun of itself or upending its own cliches. Killing Sowande may not have been the best story decision, but it was fun.

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Post by D.A. Ridgely » 04 Nov 2017, 11:09

I didn't like Thor: Ragnarok. Other people have been praising it for its unusually frequent comic relief, but comic relief only works as a dramatic tool if it's actually relieving something like, um, oh, I don't know... suspense? tension? drama?

Yes, Jeff Goldblum is delightfully over-the-top. The Hulk scenes are, on average, better than from any Hulk movie and the opening scene with Doctor Strange was good. Using The Immigrant Song in a fight scene was clever. But what I can only call the patter between Thor and Loki is for the most part banal and the increasingly "humanized" Thor is just off-putting. Maybe because I grew up with the original Marvel version split character / secret identity of Donald Blake, but Thor should have gravitas, not be the funny partner in a buddy cop movie.

Hela was okay, the fight scenes were okay and the movie didn't drag on much past two hours. But almost everything other reviewers have liked about the movie annoyed or, worse, bored me. Your mileage ....

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Post by Mo » 06 Nov 2017, 15:32

his voice is so soothing, but why do conspiracy nuts always sound like Batman and Robin solving one of Riddler's puzzles out loud? - fod

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Post by Fin Fang Foom » 08 Nov 2017, 17:17

Mo wrote:
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X-Men may join the MCU.

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/11/06/21st-ce ... urces.html
Yeah, it's super preliminary though.
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Post by lunchstealer » 09 Nov 2017, 13:10

So I finally got to see Thor:Ragnarok the other day. I enjoyed the hell out of it in a "This was the best Guardians of the Galaxy movie yet" kind of way, but the whole time I felt like it was a missed opportunity and even a serious misstep in the way DAR describes.

I never read the comic books for various reasons, so I can't speak to whether zany Thor has any grounding in canon, but in the films he has always been either immature-and-irresponsible-and-boastful/prideful Beowulf from the Grendel bit, or sober I have to be strong kind-of-brooding Beowulf-vs-the-dragon Beowulf, but never the just fratbro parody we got this time. Had he been overserious fish-out-of-water it might have worked a bit better. Dunno.

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Post by Ellie » 15 Feb 2018, 23:21

I have tried to watch Captain America: Civil War a number of times and just cannot get into it. Mainly what bugs me is that the central conflict between Captain America and Iron Man feels completely unnatural. It really feels to me like it should be the other way around. Steve Rogers being all, "Government is the good guys! We should be good soldiers and wait for marching orders!" and Tony Stark being the one who goes, "Fuck you, I'm the boss of me, nobody gets to tell me what to do with the things I build with my own smarts and money."

So every time I watch I start obsessing over that and lose track of the plot completely by the time Act 3 arrives (or at least, I think it's arriving, because I'm lost.)
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Post by Aresen » 15 Feb 2018, 23:46

Ellie wrote:
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So every time I watch I start obsessing over that and lose track of the plot completely by the time Act 3 arrives (or at least, I think it's arriving, because I'm lost.)
There was a plot? :?
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Post by Warren » 15 Feb 2018, 23:56

Aresen wrote:
15 Feb 2018, 23:46
Ellie wrote:
15 Feb 2018, 23:21
So every time I watch I start obsessing over that and lose track of the plot completely by the time Act 3 arrives (or at least, I think it's arriving, because I'm lost.)
There was a plot? :?
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Post by Eric the .5b » 16 Feb 2018, 00:48

Ellie wrote:
15 Feb 2018, 23:21
I have tried to watch Captain America: Civil War a number of times and just cannot get into it. Mainly what bugs me is that the central conflict between Captain America and Iron Man feels completely unnatural. It really feels to me like it should be the other way around. Steve Rogers being all, "Government is the good guys! We should be good soldiers and wait for marching orders!"
Bwuh?

After Winter Soldier?
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Post by JasonL » 16 Feb 2018, 10:24

Civil War is near the worst of them. The central conflict is contrived and the major plot points near the end made my eyes roll down the street to get a beer by themselves.

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Post by Warren » 16 Feb 2018, 10:32

Eric the .5b wrote:
16 Feb 2018, 00:48
Ellie wrote:
15 Feb 2018, 23:21
I have tried to watch Captain America: Civil War a number of times and just cannot get into it. Mainly what bugs me is that the central conflict between Captain America and Iron Man feels completely unnatural. It really feels to me like it should be the other way around. Steve Rogers being all, "Government is the good guys! We should be good soldiers and wait for marching orders!"
Bwuh?

After Winter Soldier?
Yeah, they gave Cap and Tony run up stories where Cap has reason to be cynical of the deep state and Tony has reason to second guess his own judgement. Yet the internet informs me that many comic book fans and MCU fans are of like mind with Ellie.

That's the problem with writing the same character in lead roles through multiple adventures. How do you have him continue to grow and still be true to his essential essence?

I am of the opinion that Winter Soldier was the high water mark for the MCU. I haven't seen Black Panther yet. Or Thor Ragnarok for that matter. I'm looking forward to Thor, but I understand they moved him into the comic relief department under GotG.
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Post by Sandy » 16 Feb 2018, 10:33

In the comics it makes more sense, because Stark has always been more of an establishment figure, even though he's personally a playboy. He realizes that powered people can get out of control and so need to be regulated. Cap is more "spirit of America" and instinctively rebels against top-down abrogation of individual conscience, so he refuses.

The movie tries to cover this up by Stark being traumatized by the collateral damage (on top of his trauma from the Battle of New York), but they do a poor job of showing any kind of character arc for it. Cap makes more sense because he was directly attacked by the whole Hydra-takes-over-Shield thing, so he really distrusts authority.
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Post by Mo » 16 Feb 2018, 10:36

Cap was always the idealist and Stark was an arms dealer to the feds. So the CW split makes sense.
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Post by Fin Fang Foom » 16 Feb 2018, 11:15

The split makes sense, but the conflict is dumb. Every conflict they mention in the movie is one where no one would reasonably choose different. I think was all "everyone dies unless we act now" except for the one about the bioweapon at the beginning of the movie, which still seems like the right call.

The reasoning in the comic is better but is dumb based upon the history of the Marvel Universe, and the story plays out exactly along those lines.
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I'm not sure if I can even get to a theater to watch Black Panther given the torrent of progressive spooge all over the place.

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Post by Aresen » 16 Feb 2018, 20:12

Painboy wrote:
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I'm not sure if I can even get to a theater to watch Black Panther given the torrent of progressive spooge all over the place.
The part of Black Panther that I am most looking forward to is where it is revealed that T'Challa is Rey's father.*

*(Some handwaving required.)
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Post by thoreau » 16 Feb 2018, 21:46

Painboy wrote:I'm not sure if I can even get to a theater to watch Black Panther given the torrent of progressive spooge all over the place.
I am unsure about the rules: Is masturbating during the movie obligatory, or is it a violation of the #MeToo rules?
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Post by thoreau » 17 Feb 2018, 01:54

Ok, I saw it. I really, really liked it. Yeah, there were a few things I could nitpick, but it was a great super hero movie.

But I don't get why liberals are spooging over it. The villain is into Black Power! He's even inspired by a father who practically recites a Ta-Nehisi Coates critique of America. If people were to actually pay attention to what the characters say and do and think then it would be clear that the plot is decidedly un-woke.
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Post by Sandy » 17 Feb 2018, 02:09

thoreau wrote:
17 Feb 2018, 01:54
Ok, I saw it. I really, really liked it. Yeah, there were a few things I could nitpick, but it was a great super hero movie.

But I don't get why liberals are spooging over it. The villain is into Black Power! He's even inspired by a father who practically recites a Ta-Nehisi Coates critique of America. If people were to actually pay attention to what the characters say and do and think then it would be clear that the plot is decidedly un-woke.
You mean the hero, who is a not-democratically-elected monarch of an isolationist ethnostate with a wall to keep outsiders out, is not super woke?

Huh.
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thoreau wrote:
17 Feb 2018, 01:54
Ok, I saw it. I really, really liked it. Yeah, there were a few things I could nitpick, but it was a great super hero movie.

But I don't get why liberals are spooging over it. The villain is into Black Power! He's even inspired by a father who practically recites a Ta-Nehisi Coates critique of America. If people were to actually pay attention to what the characters say and do and think then it would be clear that the plot is decidedly un-woke.
The spooging is over the black cast and black director in a movie about a black superhero. There's a lot virtue signalling going on, as well as some acting like this is some momentous civil rights victory while also redefining the entire genre. I'm pretty sure the movie could have been about anything, provided the hero was portrayed in a positive light, and it would get nothing but praise from a certain quarter.

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