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Post by Warren » 03 Sep 2015, 23:41

Kolohe wrote:Since it's killing Crown of Thorns starfish, would one call this a Pilate program?
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Post by the innominate one » 04 Sep 2015, 00:11

Do you wash your hands of that joke?
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Post by Dangerman » 04 Sep 2015, 13:45

I will deny it three times, times if need be.

Also, does a joke need a punchline to rise above punhood?

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Post by JD » 06 Oct 2015, 18:06

There's a new bio-remediation project on the Gowanus Canal - specifically, a phyto-remediation project in which floating drums of plants are being used to absorb pollutants. For those not familiar with NYC geography, the Gowanus is a small waterway that for a long time was used as an industrial dumping site and for sewage overflow, leaving it both unsafe and really smelly.
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Post by Fin Fang Foom » 06 Oct 2015, 18:10

JD wrote:There's a new bio-remediation project on the Gowanus Canal - specifically, a phyto-remediation project in which floating drums of plants are being used to absorb pollutants. For those not familiar with NYC geography, the Gowanus is a small waterway that for a long time was used as an industrial dumping site and for sewage overflow, leaving it both unsafe and really smelly.
And a fucking expensive area if they clean it up.

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Post by dhex » 06 Oct 2015, 20:29

even without cleaning it up it's an incredibly expensive area. and the smell is overwhelmingly bad (i used to live in the area back when) even during the winter. the water is slightly green, oily, and gurgles.

and people kayak in it!

eta: also a dolphin died in it once. not a joke.
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Re: Mo's moderately interesting sci/tech thread

Post by lunchstealer » 07 Oct 2015, 01:45

dhex wrote:even without cleaning it up it's an incredibly expensive area. and the smell is overwhelmingly bad (i used to live in the area back when) even during the winter. the water is slightly green, oily, and gurgles.

and people kayak in it!

eta: also a dolphin died in it once. not a joke.
Dolphins die everywhere. It's their way of protesting if you don't let them rape you.

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Post by Hugh Akston » 19 Nov 2015, 11:23

[urlhttps://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/food/f ... story.html]FDA approves genetically engineered salmon[/url].
According to AquaBounty, the advantages of the fish, which will be grown in inland facilities in Canada and Panama, are that it reaches market weight in about half the time taken by conventional salmon, and requires 25 percent less feed to get there.
The escape issue is critical, as escaped fish could outcompete or interbreed with native fish, and AquaBounty says it has several layers of safeguards to prevent this. The fish are raised in land-based, contained facilities, and the fish grown for food (as opposed to breeding) are all female, and sterile.
Where have I heard that before?
Some retailers have already expressed reservations. A few supermarket chains, including Whole Foods and Trader Joe's, have pledged not to sell the salmon, and others, like Safeway and Kroger, have issued less definitive statements indicating that they’re not planning to stock the fish. The 2014 Safeway statement, for example, says that, “we are not considering nor do we have any plans to carry GE salmon.”
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Post by Mo » 20 Nov 2015, 13:39

Hugh Akston wrote:
The escape issue is critical, as escaped fish could outcompete or interbreed with native fish, and AquaBounty says it has several layers of safeguards to prevent this. The fish are raised in land-based, contained facilities, and the fish grown for food (as opposed to breeding) are all female, and sterile.
Where have I heard that before?
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Hugh Akston wrote:
Some retailers have already expressed reservations. A few supermarket chains, including Whole Foods and Trader Joe's, have pledged not to sell the salmon, and others, like Safeway and Kroger, have issued less definitive statements indicating that they’re not planning to stock the fish. The 2014 Safeway statement, for example, says that, “we are not considering nor do we have any plans to carry GE salmon.”
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The fact that any grocer who carries GM fish will be surrounded by several thousand 'green' protesters probably deters stores from stocking it as well.
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Aresen wrote:The fact that any grocer who carries GM fish will be surrounded by several thousand 'green' protesters probably deters stores from stocking it as well.
Well, technically, it doesn't have to be labeled as such, per the FDA, but they'll know which brands have it. I say step off, assholes, I'll take my salmon 10% cheaper.
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Highway wrote:
Aresen wrote:The fact that any grocer who carries GM fish will be surrounded by several thousand 'green' protesters probably deters stores from stocking it as well.
Well, technically, it doesn't have to be labeled as such, per the FDA...
Yeah, about that.
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Post by Highway » 20 Nov 2015, 14:54

The Slate article I linked in the other thread makes the pretty good point that it's not just the true-believer anti-GMO folks against AquaBounty. It's also the salmon fishing industry pushing anti-competition stuff, which is a lot less sympathetic, I'd think.
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Post by Kwix » 20 Nov 2015, 14:59

Oh absolutely. From the local perspective, farmed fish of any stripe is an anathema. Let's not discuss Barents sea king crab either.
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Hugh Akston wrote:FDA approves genetically engineered salmon.
According to AquaBounty, the advantages of the fish, which will be grown in inland facilities in Canada and Panama, are that it reaches market weight in about half the time taken by conventional salmon, and requires 25 percent less feed to get there.
The escape issue is critical, as escaped fish could outcompete or interbreed with native fish, and AquaBounty says it has several layers of safeguards to prevent this. The fish are raised in land-based, contained facilities, and the fish grown for food (as opposed to breeding) are all female, and sterile.
Where have I heard that before?
It appears your skepticism is warranted, if I understand you correctly, and I'm not sure I do. From the article:
Consumers Union...expresses concern that the sterilization process isn’t 100 percent successful. (That’s true; the FDA requires that the rate be at least 95 percent, and AquaBounty chief executive Ron Stotish says that rates, in practice, are generally over 99 percent.)
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Post by Painboy » 20 Nov 2015, 23:46

Aresen wrote:The fact that any grocer who carries GM fish will be surrounded by several thousand 'green' protesters probably deters stores from stocking it as well.
Long John Silver's, McDonald's, and the like, aren't going to give a fuck and neither are their customers.

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Painboy wrote:
Aresen wrote:The fact that any grocer who carries GM fish will be surrounded by several thousand 'green' protesters probably deters stores from stocking it as well.
Long John Silver's, McDonald's, and the like, aren't going to give a fuck and neither are their customers.
Those guys don't serve salmon, though.

If anyone still eats at Red Lobster by the time this actually gets to market...
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Post by Highway » 21 Nov 2015, 09:46

lunchstealer wrote:
Painboy wrote:
Aresen wrote:The fact that any grocer who carries GM fish will be surrounded by several thousand 'green' protesters probably deters stores from stocking it as well.
Long John Silver's, McDonald's, and the like, aren't going to give a fuck and neither are their customers.
Those guys don't serve salmon, though.

If anyone still eats at Red Lobster by the time this actually gets to market...
They don't serve salmon probably because the profit margin doesn't exist. Lower the input cost and maybe it does.
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Post by Mo » 21 Nov 2015, 10:21

And the protesters will last about a week
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Post by Hugh Akston » 21 Nov 2015, 10:23

Mo wrote:And the protesters will last about a week
They might be able to stick it out a little longer if they got more protein.
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Post by Warren » 21 Nov 2015, 11:16

lunchstealer wrote:
Painboy wrote:
Aresen wrote:The fact that any grocer who carries GM fish will be surrounded by several thousand 'green' protesters probably deters stores from stocking it as well.
Long John Silver's, McDonald's, and the like, aren't going to give a fuck and neither are their customers.
Those guys don't serve salmon, though.

If anyone still eats at Red Lobster by the time this actually gets to market...
I've had salmon at Long John Silver's.
Ain't nothing wrong with Red Lobster.
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Highway wrote:
lunchstealer wrote:
Painboy wrote:
Aresen wrote:The fact that any grocer who carries GM fish will be surrounded by several thousand 'green' protesters probably deters stores from stocking it as well.
Long John Silver's, McDonald's, and the like, aren't going to give a fuck and neither are their customers.
Those guys don't serve salmon, though.

If anyone still eats at Red Lobster by the time this actually gets to market...
They don't serve salmon probably because the profit margin doesn't exist. Lower the input cost and maybe it does.
That was what I was going for. Could even be a seasonal thing like the McRib.

Of course I'm not up on what can and cannot be done with salmon as I have never found a preparation where I particularly liked it.

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Post by Aresen » 21 Nov 2015, 20:42

Mo wrote:And the protesters will last about a week
The fishing industry will subsidize them longer than that.

Plus, that is less than the amount of time it takes a major chain to cave.
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Aresen wrote:
Mo wrote:And the protesters will last about a week
The fishing industry will subsidize them longer than that.

Plus, that is less than the amount of time it takes a major chain to cave.
I don't think so. By the time it's a menu item they've already invested in megatons. They won't walk away till they empty the pipeline.
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Post by Kolohe » 22 Nov 2015, 09:17

Painboy wrote:
Highway wrote:
lunchstealer wrote:
Painboy wrote:
Aresen wrote:The fact that any grocer who carries GM fish will be surrounded by several thousand 'green' protesters probably deters stores from stocking it as well.
Long John Silver's, McDonald's, and the like, aren't going to give a fuck and neither are their customers.
Those guys don't serve salmon, though.

If anyone still eats at Red Lobster by the time this actually gets to market...
They don't serve salmon probably because the profit margin doesn't exist. Lower the input cost and maybe it does.
That was what I was going for. Could even be a seasonal thing like the McRib.

Of course I'm not up on what can and cannot be done with salmon as I have never found a preparation where I particularly liked it.
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