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Ellie wrote:
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I get a kick sometimes out of the names these things get. Maybe I'm wrong, but I kinda doubt Jefferson ever wore wingtips.
Thomas or George?
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So I've got a meeting at the White House next week (really!). I really want this "changing landscape of suits" thing to mean I can show up in jeans and a Star Wars t-shirt, but I suspect I'm gonna need to wear a suit and tie anyhow.
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Jake wrote:
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So I've got a meeting at the White House next week (really!). I really want this "changing landscape of suits" thing to mean I can show up in jeans and a Star Wars t-shirt, but I suspect I'm gonna need to wear a suit and tie anyhow.
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I thought nowadays you are only supposed to wear a suit if you're not the one in power. Presumably to establish yourself as the most powerful person in the room, you should be naked.
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I thought nowadays you are only supposed to wear a suit if you're not the one in power. Presumably to establish yourself as the most powerful person in the room, you should be naked.
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Ellie wrote:
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I thought nowadays you are only supposed to wear a suit if you're not the one in power. Presumably to establish yourself as the most powerful person in the room, you should be naked.
well the birthday suit is a pretty powerful suit, you're still not as powerful as someone who takes off their birthday suit.
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I'm in the minority here but I view novelty ties with tremendous suspicion.
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I'm in the minority here but I view novelty ties with tremendous suspicion.
As a general rule, if it doesn't look like you bought it at Brooks Brothers, I agree. I'm rather fond, however, of some of those extraordinarily garish ties that were in fashion in the 40s and 50s and have been known to wear one of the few such vintage ties I've acquired over the years now and then. Otherwise, painted ties of any sort and holiday ties immediately remind my of one of my favorite P.G. Wodehouse lines: Bertie, "What do ties matter, Jeeves, at a time like this?" Jeeves, "There is no time, sir, at which ties do not matter."

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D.A. Ridgely wrote:
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dhex wrote:
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I'm in the minority here but I view novelty ties with tremendous suspicion.
As a general rule, if it doesn't look like you bought it at Brooks Brothers, I agree. I'm rather fond, however, of some of those extraordinarily garish ties that were in fashion in the 40s and 50s and have been known to wear one of the few such vintage ties I've acquired over the years now and then. Otherwise, painted ties of any sort and holiday ties immediately remind my of one of my favorite P.G. Wodehouse lines: Bertie, "What do ties matter, Jeeves, at a time like this?" Jeeves, "There is no time, sir, at which ties do not matter."
One of the Fry/Laurie ones had Jeeves literally have to leave the room in dismay after seeing on of Bertie's friends wearing a tie with 'little horseshoes on it. One is simply not prepared for such things.'
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dhex wrote:
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I'm in the minority here but I view novelty ties with tremendous suspicion.
They are awful.

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JasonL wrote:
14 Oct 2019, 18:19
dhex wrote:
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I'm in the minority here but I view novelty ties with tremendous suspicion.
They are awful.
I had a roommate with a Starry Night tie in college, but that was college, and even he knew not to do that at for-reals coat-and-tie events. I have an Escher tie but I don't think I've ever worn it. Don't recall if it was a gift or if I impulse-bought it thinking I'd wear it to the same kinds of things, but didn't. The 90s were a time of garish ties, so there are a couple in my collection that I'd never think of wearing again.
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Were I invited to the White House under the current administration, I'd definitely wear one of those parody Trump ties that's about eight feet long. Even Jeeves would probably approve.

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Yeah that'd be good. Very shiny red tie down to the balls.
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I think what you're calling "novelty ties" I hold in disdain. But I do like very colorful non-conservative ties.

I have this lovely hypersaturated purple swirl tie that I like and wear whenever it matches the outfit. Which is rarely.

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TIL why you don't spend $90 on a shirt. When they rip, they are worth exactly as much as a $25 ripped shirt.
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Hugh Akston wrote:
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TIL why you don't spend $90 on a shirt. When they rip, they are worth exactly as much as a $25 ripped shirt.
I think they're worth less actually. Or perhaps actually worthless. Because if you rip a $25 shirt, you can sew/patch it and still wear it around the house. But you're not going to wear a $90 dress shirt around the house, and you're not going to wear a ripped $90 dress shirt out of the house. So it's a rag.
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I'm not opposed to spending money on good clothing, but by far the best value for the money in basic dress shirts I've ever found are the Lands End Hyde Park button-down oxford cloth shirts. They're not as good as they used to be, but then I don't buy many dress shirts these days, anyway. Back in the day, they were made with significantly heavier cloth and sewn as well as, say, the same type shirt from Brooks Bros. for considerably less.

Once upon a time, Lands End and Jos E Banks were the poor man's Brooks Brothers. The quality was high and the prices were reasonable. Well, nothing's forever and now they're on a par with J Crew and similar cut-rate and shoddy "preppy" clothes. But the Hyde Park shirts remain a good value even if the cloth isn't as heavy as it used to be and the tailoring isn't as careful as it used to be.

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Hugh Akston wrote:
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TIL why you don't spend $90 on a shirt. When they rip, they are worth exactly as much as a $25 ripped shirt.
Okay, Bruce Banner. ;)
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Ellie wrote:
14 Feb 2020, 13:46
Hugh Akston wrote:
14 Feb 2020, 12:18
TIL why you don't spend $90 on a shirt. When they rip, they are worth exactly as much as a $25 ripped shirt.
Okay, Bruce Banner. ;)
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D.A. Ridgely wrote:
14 Feb 2020, 12:55
I'm not opposed to spending money on good clothing, but by far the best value for the money in basic dress shirts I've ever found are the Lands End Hyde Park button-down oxford cloth shirts. They're not as good as they used to be, but then I don't buy many dress shirts these days, anyway. Back in the day, they were made with significantly heavier cloth and sewn as well as, say, the same type shirt from Brooks Bros. for considerably less.

Once upon a time, Lands End and Jos E Banks were the poor man's Brooks Brothers. The quality was high and the prices were reasonable. Well, nothing's forever and now they're on a par with J Crew and similar cut-rate and shoddy "preppy" clothes. But the Hyde Park shirts remain a good value even if the cloth isn't as heavy as it used to be and the tailoring isn't as careful as it used to be.
Significantly heavier cloth is a major downside, though! I'm always looking for the lightest cloth I can get in my shirts.

It reduces the lifespan but it makes them so much nicer and more pleasant to wear. (Especially in Los Angeles.)

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I had a Hamilton wristwatch for a long time that I liked very much because it was small (38mm diameter) and unobtrusive, but the quartz movement finally gave up the ghost a couple of years ago, so it went lying in in a dresser drawer ever since. I could have replaced it, of course, but the Hamilton brand has just enough lower-than-luxury cache that I'd be looking at $400 or more and I have other perfectly serviceable watches. Plus, and I can't explain why but this is a thing, they started calling that line of watches "Khaki" and putting that word on the dial and I just don't like it.

So I stumbled across a place that sells replacement watch movements. Maybe not for a Rolex, but you know. I'm not really good with my hands but I can follow directions reasonably well. Anyway, it cost under $50, so why not give it a try? It arrived today and I've so far successfully removed the back, removed the winding stem and removed the old movement from the case. So far, so good. But the hands are far too delicate for me to be able to remove without a special tool, which I of course don't have. So now I'm going to have to buy that special tool and I'm figuratively kicking myself for not having done so in the first place. It's only another $20 and if I can get this watch back up and running for under $100 I'll consider it well worth it. So, we'll see.

Odd thing about the movement, it has a day and date wheel on the front but the watch dial has no openings to show the day or date. So now I have a small mystery. Has that wheel been turning all along or was it just cheaper to slap them on all their movements but there's no actual mechanism to move it?

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D.A. Ridgely wrote:
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I had a Hamilton wristwatch for a long time that I liked very much because it was small (38mm diameter) and unobtrusive, but the quartz movement finally gave up the ghost a couple of years ago, so it went lying in in a dresser drawer ever since. I could have replaced it, of course, but the Hamilton brand has just enough lower-than-luxury cache that I'd be looking at $400 or more and I have other perfectly serviceable watches. Plus, and I can't explain why but this is a thing, they started calling that line of watches "Khaki" and putting that word on the dial and I just don't like it.

So I stumbled across a place that sells replacement watch movements. Maybe not for a Rolex, but you know. I'm not really good with my hands but I can follow directions reasonably well. Anyway, it cost under $50, so why not give it a try? It arrived today and I've so far successfully removed the back, removed the winding stem and removed the old movement from the case. So far, so good. But the hands are far too delicate for me to be able to remove without a special tool, which I of course don't have. So now I'm going to have to buy that special tool and I'm figuratively kicking myself for not having done so in the first place. It's only another $20 and if I can get this watch back up and running for under $100 I'll consider it well worth it. So, we'll see.

Odd thing about the movement, it has a day and date wheel on the front but the watch dial has no openings to show the day or date. So now I have a small mystery. Has that wheel been turning all along or was it just cheaper to slap them on all their movements but there's no actual mechanism to move it?
You couldn't take it to a jeweler to repair it? They'd have the tool.

My dad got a Hamilton at his 25th year of employment, but he was picky about watches and had one he liked so he passed it to me. It was gold (plated) the face said I. E. duPont de Nemours & Company, so it was a little gaudy, but with a metal mesh band and the thinnest/lightest body I've had in any watch, it was incredibly comfortable. Unfortunately the clasp was a little finicky and it came off one night and I didn't notice it until we'd been a few places, and I couldn't find it. But ever since I haven't found a reasonable dress watch in my price range that's anywhere near as comfortable - most are just too heavy and bulky, or perhaps that was just the style in the mid-aughts the last time I tried.

If I could get that watch back - especially in a more neutral silver tone - I would probably be more likely to wear a watch regularly.
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You people. Wearing watches in 2020.
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lunchstealer wrote:
16 Jun 2020, 11:57
D.A. Ridgely wrote:
15 Jun 2020, 19:19
I had a Hamilton wristwatch for a long time that I liked very much because it was small (38mm diameter) and unobtrusive, but the quartz movement finally gave up the ghost a couple of years ago, so it went lying in in a dresser drawer ever since. I could have replaced it, of course, but the Hamilton brand has just enough lower-than-luxury cache that I'd be looking at $400 or more and I have other perfectly serviceable watches. Plus, and I can't explain why but this is a thing, they started calling that line of watches "Khaki" and putting that word on the dial and I just don't like it.

So I stumbled across a place that sells replacement watch movements. Maybe not for a Rolex, but you know. I'm not really good with my hands but I can follow directions reasonably well. Anyway, it cost under $50, so why not give it a try? It arrived today and I've so far successfully removed the back, removed the winding stem and removed the old movement from the case. So far, so good. But the hands are far too delicate for me to be able to remove without a special tool, which I of course don't have. So now I'm going to have to buy that special tool and I'm figuratively kicking myself for not having done so in the first place. It's only another $20 and if I can get this watch back up and running for under $100 I'll consider it well worth it. So, we'll see.

Odd thing about the movement, it has a day and date wheel on the front but the watch dial has no openings to show the day or date. So now I have a small mystery. Has that wheel been turning all along or was it just cheaper to slap them on all their movements but there's no actual mechanism to move it?
You couldn't take it to a jeweler to repair it? They'd have the tool.

My dad got a Hamilton at his 25th year of employment, but he was picky about watches and had one he liked so he passed it to me. It was gold (plated) the face said I. E. duPont de Nemours & Company, so it was a little gaudy, but with a metal mesh band and the thinnest/lightest body I've had in any watch, it was incredibly comfortable. Unfortunately the clasp was a little finicky and it came off one night and I didn't notice it until we'd been a few places, and I couldn't find it. But ever since I haven't found a reasonable dress watch in my price range that's anywhere near as comfortable - most are just too heavy and bulky, or perhaps that was just the style in the mid-aughts the last time I tried.

If I could get that watch back - especially in a more neutral silver tone - I would probably be more likely to wear a watch regularly.
An honest-to-god horologist would have the tools and could do it in a minute but would charge me more than it's worth. Many jewelers' expertise ends at replacing batteries. Even the best quartz movements are relatively cheap and therefore easier and cheaper to replace than repair, which is why I'm giving it a shot. I know I'd ruin the hands if I tried it without the tool, but the tool isn't all that expensive and is certainly cheaper than getting a professional to do the job.

Sorry you lost your dad's watch. I don't know what your price range is but my sense is that there are broadly three categories of watch price points: disposable watches costing $100 or less, upscale watches with some name or fashion cache ranging from $500 to over $1000 and luxury watches, e.g., Omega, Rolex, Patek Philippe, etc. where the entry point even at discount for a new watch is $5000 and up. You can find a decent dress watch in the middle price range if that's not too much for you to spend.

You'd probably be able to hunt down a comparable watch to your dad's presentation watch. There's a huge market. Plus these days if you're not a stickler for authenticity, you can get a mechanical watch with good to excellent outside condition and have the movement replaced with a quartz movement.

I'm sure many here don't get why I or anyone would want a good watch, especially these days, and I feel roughly the same about collectors. I like nice personal effects of the sort a man would own 50 to 100 years ago and I'm willing to splurge occasionally to own one or two such items. So I've got, for example, two nice fountain pens though these days I just don't use pens of any sort very often. But people who own a dozen or more luxury watches just strike me as batshit crazy. *shrug*

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