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Re: The son of "What the hell are YOU staring at?"

Post by tr0g » 28 Jun 2018, 14:25

Jennifer wrote:
28 Jun 2018, 01:28
Went on a John Carpenter kick and watched Prince of Darkness and In the Mouth of Madness. I know the latter is not very popular among Carpenter fans, but I'd always thought it was one of the better Lovecraft-style movies I've seen. Hadn't seen PoD before; had I seen it when it was new, it definitely would've scared the hell out of me.
The only failure of In The Mouth of Madness was they showed the monsters in that one gratuitous shot where Sam Neill is running down the hallway. If Carpenter had just skipped that and gone with pieces of monster and subliminal shots, it would have been better.
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Re: The son of "What the hell are YOU staring at?"

Post by JasonL » 28 Jun 2018, 14:28

PoD is sneakily one of the best Carpenter films.

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Re: The son of "What the hell are YOU staring at?"

Post by Jennifer » 28 Jun 2018, 14:40

tr0g wrote:
28 Jun 2018, 14:25
Jennifer wrote:
28 Jun 2018, 01:28
Went on a John Carpenter kick and watched Prince of Darkness and In the Mouth of Madness. I know the latter is not very popular among Carpenter fans, but I'd always thought it was one of the better Lovecraft-style movies I've seen. Hadn't seen PoD before; had I seen it when it was new, it definitely would've scared the hell out of me.
The only failure of In The Mouth of Madness was they showed the monsters in that one gratuitous shot where Sam Neill is running down the hallway. If Carpenter had just skipped that and gone with pieces of monster and subliminal shots, it would have been better.
The one standalone detail I most liked about Madness was the blue-bus scene, because (IMO) it's a great example of the Lovecraftian idea "This thing is only scary in context." Most scary-movie stuff is scary regardless of context: you need not know the who-what-when-where-why to be frightened of something like a deranged man coming after you with an axe dripping blood off the blade. But that blue bus scene reminded me of something I read about Lovecraft (link goes to previous Gryll-post because the original article seems to be down):

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Lovecraft's stories haven't remained popular so long just because his monsters are scary. They endure because his monsters are metaphors for existential alienation. It's not the appearance of the monsters in his stories, it's the reality of them, the fact that they exist. Their existence alone proves that humanity is doomed and that all our hopes and dreams are stupid. Running into one of Lovecraft's Elder Gods is like finding a strange pair of underwear in your bed and realizing that your spouse is cheating on you. It's not the underwear itself that's stabbing you in the heart; it's the betrayal it represents. Lovecraft's monsters are proof to the protagonist that the universe is not benevolent. Finding strange underwear might mean that your spouse never loved you; stumbling upon a Lovecraft creature means that God never loved you.
Likewise, there's nothing inherently scary about the color blue, or a bus where everyone is wearing it; what made it frightening in context was the complete betrayal of reality it represents.
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Re: The son of "What the hell are YOU staring at?"

Post by Fin Fang Foom » 28 Jun 2018, 14:46

I think most Carpenter fans consider POD the beginning of his flawed but good era and MOM the end of it.
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Re: The son of "What the hell are YOU staring at?"

Post by Jasper » 29 Jun 2018, 06:11

JasonL wrote:
28 Jun 2018, 14:28
PoD is sneakily one of the best Carpenter films.
Co-sign.
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Re: The son of "What the hell are YOU staring at?"

Post by dbcooper » 02 Jul 2018, 22:37

Has anyone seen Sicario 2: The Sick-ario?
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Re: The son of "What the hell are YOU staring at?"

Post by Andrew » 03 Jul 2018, 09:24

dbcooper wrote:
02 Jul 2018, 22:37
Has anyone seen Sicario 2: The Sick-ario?
You mean James Bond vs. The Cartels? Not yet.
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Re: The son of "What the hell are YOU staring at?"

Post by Fin Fang Foom » 03 Jul 2018, 11:02

Andrew wrote:
03 Jul 2018, 09:24
dbcooper wrote:
02 Jul 2018, 22:37
Has anyone seen Sicario 2: The Sick-ario?
You mean James Bond vs. The Cartels? Not yet.
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Re: The son of "What the hell are YOU staring at?"

Post by dbcooper » 06 Jul 2018, 05:55

Fin Fang Foom wrote:
03 Jul 2018, 11:02
Andrew wrote:
03 Jul 2018, 09:24
dbcooper wrote:
02 Jul 2018, 22:37
Has anyone seen Sicario 2: The Sick-ario?
You mean James Bond vs. The Cartels? Not yet.
Nice. Was talking to my buddy tonight and he was talking about del Toro in that movie.
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Re: The son of "What the hell are YOU staring at?"

Post by dbcooper » 06 Jul 2018, 05:56

China Moon (very young Del Toro in a supporting role) looks good, but Madeleine Stowe is such a bloodless dud as a femme fatale.
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Re: The son of "What the hell are YOU staring at?"

Post by dbcooper » 06 Jul 2018, 06:28

Also some of the transfer is fucked up - blurry, like it is out of focus, at times, and harsh static on the soundtrack.
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Re: The son of "What the hell are YOU staring at?"

Post by Painboy » 06 Jul 2018, 15:03

dbcooper wrote:
06 Jul 2018, 05:56
China Moon (very young Del Toro in a supporting role) looks good, but Madeleine Stowe is such a bloodless dud as a femme fatale.
LOL...Madelieine Stowe as a femme fatale. Was the casting director drunk? She might be a good actress but she has all the sexual electricity of a school marm.

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Re: The son of "What the hell are YOU staring at?"

Post by dbcooper » 12 Jul 2018, 07:36



Wow.
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Re: The son of "What the hell are YOU staring at?"

Post by Fin Fang Foom » 12 Jul 2018, 22:16

dbcooper wrote:
12 Jul 2018, 07:36


Wow.
Wow what?
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Re: The son of "What the hell are YOU staring at?"

Post by dbcooper » 12 Jul 2018, 22:26

That was exceptionally bad.
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Re: The son of "What the hell are YOU staring at?"

Post by Ellie » 12 Jul 2018, 22:35

What odds do you give it that it's still better than Amazon's upcoming "Jim Halpert IS Jack Ryan!" series?
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Re: The son of "What the hell are YOU staring at?"

Post by Ellie » 12 Jul 2018, 22:40

Anyway, what more exciting way for an action movie to start than to show a guy waking up and blearily wandering around a college campus for a full minute?

And exposition should always be delivered at full volume hollering over helicopter noise.
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Re: The son of "What the hell are YOU staring at?"

Post by Eric the .5b » 12 Jul 2018, 23:58

The opening on the campus isn't bad, and the hospital bit is dull but serviceable. The sequence in the helicopter is a mess, trying to convey too much information without much elegance or entertainment value (Jack Ryan is a Regular Dude who talks about football with his subordinates, Jack Ryan's pestering command about Intelligence Bullshit but being ignored, Jack Ryan's an officer who wants to be on the front lines, etc.) and then throwing in a broadly telegraphed random severe injury to justify him not being in the military, anymore.

All that for a character who, when played by Ford and Baldwin (at least, never saw Sum of All Fears), implored people to remember that he was "just an analyst", not an action hero. But then, I suppose his background being, "I have a way of getting drone strikes to hit the actual bad guys 12% of the time instead of 10%!" might not come off as cool.

Or, put another way, why, in a movie about a CIA agent, do we have to have a series of events to justify the agent actually joining the CIA?
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