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Re: The son of "What the hell are YOU staring at?"

Post by dbcooper » 16 Sep 2017, 08:29

The lovely Flavia in Belly of an Architect was one of the girls who was spectacularly murdered (nest of wire) in Suspiria.
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Re: The son of "What the hell are YOU staring at?"

Post by dead_elvis » 16 Sep 2017, 13:52

Warren wrote:
14 Sep 2017, 23:47

Yeash, yes. Absolutely horrible casting choice.
Agreed, except that his backpfeifengesicht served the role well.

And this might be interesting to anyone who saw it:

http://www.historyvshollywood.com/reelf ... n-figures/
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Re: The son of "What the hell are YOU staring at?"

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Warren wrote:The eclipse didn't throw as much shade as I did at Hidden Figures. I wasn't interested in the romance story (seriously, I wish they'd leave that out of so many movies) and I've had a lifetime of America's history of oppression movies/documentaries. I cared about the math/science and the people that made the movie did not.

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I agree wrt the romance angle, but the rest of it is the whole fucking point of the movie. The movie is basically, "Hey, you know how every NASA movie front the last 60 years has only white dudes and wives? There also happened to be some black women there helping out." The movie is throwing shade at Hollywood since the Right Stuff.
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Warren wrote:The eclipse didn't throw as much shade as I did at Hidden Figures. I wasn't interested in the romance story (seriously, I wish they'd leave that out of so many movies) and I've had a lifetime of America's history of oppression movies/documentaries. I cared about the math/science and the people that made the movie did not.
I think I finally get what people mean by check your privilege.
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Post by Warren » 16 Sep 2017, 19:45

the innominate one wrote:
16 Sep 2017, 19:08
Warren wrote:The eclipse didn't throw as much shade as I did at Hidden Figures. I wasn't interested in the romance story (seriously, I wish they'd leave that out of so many movies) and I've had a lifetime of America's history of oppression movies/documentaries. I cared about the math/science and the people that made the movie did not.
I think I finally get what people mean by check your privilege.
Thanks. I just checked it, and it's all tattered and worn.
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Post by the innominate one » 16 Sep 2017, 19:56

If you think oppression movies and documentaries are tiresome, try to imagine what racial- or sex-based oppression would feel like.
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Post by Warren » 16 Sep 2017, 20:04

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If you think oppression movies and documentaries are tiresome, try to imagine what racial- or sex-based oppression would feel like.
Yeah, that's what those movies are for. So what? Because other people suffered I need to sit through an endless parade of movies about their suffering? What good does that do anybody? It certainly doesn't help the oppressed. If anything it perpetuates the problem by allowing privileged people to virtue signal by telling each other how great the latest oppression movie is, and how good they are for saying so over their avocado toast.
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Post by the innominate one » 16 Sep 2017, 20:08

I didn't realize you were being forced to watch such movies. Sounds like you're being oppressed.
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Post by Warren » 16 Sep 2017, 20:13

the innominate one wrote:
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I didn't realize you were being forced to watch such movies. Sounds like you're being oppressed.
Why you working so hard to twist what I say into something that doesn't resemble what I said?
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Re: The son of "What the hell are YOU staring at?"

Post by Jennifer » 16 Sep 2017, 22:27

Warren wrote:
16 Sep 2017, 20:04
the innominate one wrote:
16 Sep 2017, 19:56
If you think oppression movies and documentaries are tiresome, try to imagine what racial- or sex-based oppression would feel like.
Yeah, that's what those movies are for. So what? Because other people suffered I need to sit through an endless parade of movies about their suffering? What good does that do anybody? It certainly doesn't help the oppressed. If anything it perpetuates the problem by allowing privileged people to virtue signal by telling each other how great the latest oppression movie is, and how good they are for saying so over their avocado toast.
On the other hand, what "good" comes from movies and pop culture pretending such oppression never existed? [Indeed, I'd go so far as to say things like "popular culture pretending white men were the only people who had anything to contribute to NASA" actually helps perpetuate such oppression.]

Plus, of course, nobody has said you "need" to sit through an endless parade of such movies, nor through any such movies at all.
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Re: The son of "What the hell are YOU staring at?"

Post by Warren » 16 Sep 2017, 23:25

Jennifer wrote:
16 Sep 2017, 22:27
Warren wrote:
16 Sep 2017, 20:04
the innominate one wrote:
16 Sep 2017, 19:56
If you think oppression movies and documentaries are tiresome, try to imagine what racial- or sex-based oppression would feel like.
Yeah, that's what those movies are for. So what? Because other people suffered I need to sit through an endless parade of movies about their suffering? What good does that do anybody? It certainly doesn't help the oppressed. If anything it perpetuates the problem by allowing privileged people to virtue signal by telling each other how great the latest oppression movie is, and how good they are for saying so over their avocado toast.
On the other hand, what "good" comes from movies and pop culture pretending such oppression never existed? [Indeed, I'd go so far as to say things like "popular culture pretending white men were the only people who had anything to contribute to NASA" actually helps perpetuate such oppression.]

Plus, of course, nobody has said you "need" to sit through an endless parade of such movies, nor through any such movies at all.
And neither did I! JESUS H CHRIST I'm saying I was looking forward to Hidden Figures because it was a story I was very interested in that I didn't know anything about. I know the story about mid 20th Century America and race relations. The story I wanted to know - about the work these women did, as it was portrayed in the movie, was bullshit. That's why I didn't like the movie.

As an account of oppression, I dunno, It was probably better than The Help, way better than The Butler, not nearly as good as Malcolm X. Given That I've seen all those movies, plus at least a dozen others, plus more scholastic documentaries, I didn't learn anything new about that from Hidden Figures. That's all I'm saying.
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Re: The son of "What the hell are YOU staring at?"

Post by Jennifer » 16 Sep 2017, 23:29

Warren wrote:
16 Sep 2017, 23:25
Jennifer wrote:
16 Sep 2017, 22:27
Warren wrote:
16 Sep 2017, 20:04
the innominate one wrote:
16 Sep 2017, 19:56
If you think oppression movies and documentaries are tiresome, try to imagine what racial- or sex-based oppression would feel like.
Yeah, that's what those movies are for. So what? Because other people suffered I need to sit through an endless parade of movies about their suffering? What good does that do anybody? It certainly doesn't help the oppressed. If anything it perpetuates the problem by allowing privileged people to virtue signal by telling each other how great the latest oppression movie is, and how good they are for saying so over their avocado toast.
On the other hand, what "good" comes from movies and pop culture pretending such oppression never existed? [Indeed, I'd go so far as to say things like "popular culture pretending white men were the only people who had anything to contribute to NASA" actually helps perpetuate such oppression.]

Plus, of course, nobody has said you "need" to sit through an endless parade of such movies, nor through any such movies at all.
And neither did I! JESUS H CHRIST I'm saying I was looking forward to Hidden Figures because it was a story I was very interested in that I didn't know anything about. I know the story about mid 20th Century America and race relations. The story I wanted to know - about the work these women did, as it was portrayed in the movie, was bullshit. That's why I didn't like the movie.

As an account of oppression, I dunno, It was probably better than The Help, way better than The Butler, not nearly as good as Malcolm X. Given That I've seen all those movies, plus at least a dozen others, plus more scholastic documentaries, I didn't learn anything new about that from Hidden Figures. That's all I'm saying.
Ah. I suppose it was your use of the rhetorical question "Because other people suffered I need to sit through an endless parade of movies about their suffering? " that tripped me up.
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Re: The son of "What the hell are YOU staring at?"

Post by Warren » 16 Sep 2017, 23:33

Jennifer wrote:
16 Sep 2017, 23:29
Warren wrote:
16 Sep 2017, 23:25
Jennifer wrote:
16 Sep 2017, 22:27
Warren wrote:
16 Sep 2017, 20:04
the innominate one wrote:
16 Sep 2017, 19:56
If you think oppression movies and documentaries are tiresome, try to imagine what racial- or sex-based oppression would feel like.
Yeah, that's what those movies are for. So what? Because other people suffered I need to sit through an endless parade of movies about their suffering? What good does that do anybody? It certainly doesn't help the oppressed. If anything it perpetuates the problem by allowing privileged people to virtue signal by telling each other how great the latest oppression movie is, and how good they are for saying so over their avocado toast.
On the other hand, what "good" comes from movies and pop culture pretending such oppression never existed? [Indeed, I'd go so far as to say things like "popular culture pretending white men were the only people who had anything to contribute to NASA" actually helps perpetuate such oppression.]

Plus, of course, nobody has said you "need" to sit through an endless parade of such movies, nor through any such movies at all.
And neither did I! JESUS H CHRIST I'm saying I was looking forward to Hidden Figures because it was a story I was very interested in that I didn't know anything about. I know the story about mid 20th Century America and race relations. The story I wanted to know - about the work these women did, as it was portrayed in the movie, was bullshit. That's why I didn't like the movie.

As an account of oppression, I dunno, It was probably better than The Help, way better than The Butler, not nearly as good as Malcolm X. Given That I've seen all those movies, plus at least a dozen others, plus more scholastic documentaries, I didn't learn anything new about that from Hidden Figures. That's all I'm saying.
Ah. I suppose it was your use of the rhetorical question "Because other people suffered I need to sit through an endless parade of movies about their suffering? " that tripped me up.
Well that was in response to being told it was somehow wrong of me to not like sitting through the movie because it was nowhere near as horrible as experiencing actual oppression. Or whatever the hell TIO meant by:
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If you think oppression movies and documentaries are tiresome, try to imagine what racial- or sex-based oppression would feel like.
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Post by the innominate one » 16 Sep 2017, 23:39

Complaining about voluntarily watching movies about oppression is ridiculous in the extreme. I don't think it needs any further explanation.
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Post by Warren » 16 Sep 2017, 23:45

the innominate one wrote:
16 Sep 2017, 23:39
Complaining about voluntarily watching movies about oppression is ridiculous in the extreme. I don't think it needs any further explanation.
No it isn't. That's a flat out stupid thing to say.
Would it be ridiculous to complain about voluntarily sitting through a movie about Superheros?
People complain about movies they don't like all the time. Saying that you can't complain about a movie because it's sacred I flat out reject.
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Post by the innominate one » 17 Sep 2017, 00:27

Not "a" movie, but many movies. If one kept going to see superhero movies despite not liking the genre, then complaining about all the superhero movies you had to see would be ridiculous.

Substitute oppression for superhero.
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Post by Warren » 17 Sep 2017, 10:34

I see what you're saying.
What I'm saying, is I wouldn't have minded the oppression stuff if they got the math and science right. I don't mind civil rights as a genre. I enjoyed Selma, as it gave greater depth to the story I knew. Figures didn't provide any further insight. Likewise The Help was a good movie, well acted, good characters, etc. but not all that helpful coming out in 2011 (2009 for the book).

Reflecting a bit more on Figures, I kinda did enjoy the B story about her friend seeing the IBM machines as the future and teaching herself FORTRAN. The problem is I know they took so many liberties with the A story about calculating the trajectory I don't trust their telling of the B story.
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Post by the innominate one » 18 Sep 2017, 18:57

Wild Things was less sexy and interesting than I'd hoped, but the acting was good. Good: Denise Richards' bare breasts. Bad: Kevin Bacon's bare penis.
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Wild Things was a better movie than it had any right to be.
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the innominate one wrote:
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Wild Things was less sexy and interesting than I'd hoped, but the acting was good. Good: Denise Richards' bare breasts. Bad: Kevin Bacon's bare penis.
Sadly, Wikipedia says she had implants for the movie. I thought possibly she had used a body double.
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Warren wrote:
17 Sep 2017, 10:34
I see what you're saying.
What I'm saying, is I wouldn't have minded the oppression stuff if they got the math and science right. I don't mind civil rights as a genre. I enjoyed Selma, as it gave greater depth to the story I knew. Figures didn't provide any further insight. Likewise The Help was a good movie, well acted, good characters, etc. but not all that helpful coming out in 2011 (2009 for the book).

Reflecting a bit more on Figures, I kinda did enjoy the B story about her friend seeing the IBM machines as the future and teaching herself FORTRAN. The problem is I know they took so many liberties with the A story about calculating the trajectory I don't trust their telling of the B story.
To keep picking at this scab a bit, I wonder how folks would've reacted had Warren said he found The Imitation Game rather dull, from an Aspie & gay perspective because there's been a lot of better movies about those, because he found the math & engineering story in the film oversimplified and not what he was hoping for.
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Post by the innominate one » 19 Sep 2017, 13:33

You're asking about my reaction to the revised version of what he wrote, not my reaction to what he originally wrote, which is not an analogous comparison.

If he wrote that he was tired of seeing all these gay oppression movies, my reaction would have been the same. If what he's actually tired of is not seeing enough science or movies getting the science right, then I'd say why don't you watch a documentary instead of a docu-drama.

For the record, I haven't seen Hidden Figures and don't plan to. I haven't seen The Imitation Game and don't plan to. I haven't seen Roots or The Color Purple and don't plan to. I might watch the documentary on the 13th amendment on Netflix if I get around to it.
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Re: The son of "What the hell are YOU staring at?"

Post by Warren » 19 Sep 2017, 13:43

the innominate one wrote:
19 Sep 2017, 13:33
I haven't seen The Imitation Game and don't plan to.
ditto
the innominate one wrote:
19 Sep 2017, 13:33
I haven't seen Roots or The Color Purple and don't plan to.
Seen it. Liked it quite a bit. Think of it as fiction not history.
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I haven't seen Roots
Seen it when it originally aired. Very much a landmark production.
I'd actually recommend Roots: TNGs over Roots as it takes less liberties, culminating in autobiography.
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I might watch the documentary on the 13th amendment
Don't plan on watching that based on some of the reviews I've read.
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the innominate one wrote:
19 Sep 2017, 13:33
You're asking about my reaction to the revised version of what he wrote, not my reaction to what he originally wrote, which is not an analogous comparison.

If he wrote that he was tired of seeing all these gay oppression movies, my reaction would have been the same. If what he's actually tired of is not seeing enough science or movies getting the science right, then I'd say why don't you watch a documentary instead of a docu-drama.

For the record, I haven't seen Hidden Figures and don't plan to. I haven't seen The Imitation Game and don't plan to. I haven't seen Roots or The Color Purple and don't plan to. I might watch the documentary on the 13th amendment on Netflix if I get around to it.
I named no one, but thanks for playing.

TIG is a good movie. Haven't seen HF yet.
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Post by Mo » 19 Sep 2017, 15:03

I agree with tio's first two paragraphs. Going to a major Hollywood film and complaining about inaccurate math and science is like going to Applebee's and complaining about indigestion.
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