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Re: The son of "What the hell are YOU staring at?"

Post by tr0g » 28 Jun 2018, 14:25

Jennifer wrote:
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Went on a John Carpenter kick and watched Prince of Darkness and In the Mouth of Madness. I know the latter is not very popular among Carpenter fans, but I'd always thought it was one of the better Lovecraft-style movies I've seen. Hadn't seen PoD before; had I seen it when it was new, it definitely would've scared the hell out of me.
The only failure of In The Mouth of Madness was they showed the monsters in that one gratuitous shot where Sam Neill is running down the hallway. If Carpenter had just skipped that and gone with pieces of monster and subliminal shots, it would have been better.
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Re: The son of "What the hell are YOU staring at?"

Post by JasonL » 28 Jun 2018, 14:28

PoD is sneakily one of the best Carpenter films.

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Re: The son of "What the hell are YOU staring at?"

Post by Jennifer » 28 Jun 2018, 14:40

tr0g wrote:
28 Jun 2018, 14:25
Jennifer wrote:
28 Jun 2018, 01:28
Went on a John Carpenter kick and watched Prince of Darkness and In the Mouth of Madness. I know the latter is not very popular among Carpenter fans, but I'd always thought it was one of the better Lovecraft-style movies I've seen. Hadn't seen PoD before; had I seen it when it was new, it definitely would've scared the hell out of me.
The only failure of In The Mouth of Madness was they showed the monsters in that one gratuitous shot where Sam Neill is running down the hallway. If Carpenter had just skipped that and gone with pieces of monster and subliminal shots, it would have been better.
The one standalone detail I most liked about Madness was the blue-bus scene, because (IMO) it's a great example of the Lovecraftian idea "This thing is only scary in context." Most scary-movie stuff is scary regardless of context: you need not know the who-what-when-where-why to be frightened of something like a deranged man coming after you with an axe dripping blood off the blade. But that blue bus scene reminded me of something I read about Lovecraft (link goes to previous Gryll-post because the original article seems to be down):

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Lovecraft's stories haven't remained popular so long just because his monsters are scary. They endure because his monsters are metaphors for existential alienation. It's not the appearance of the monsters in his stories, it's the reality of them, the fact that they exist. Their existence alone proves that humanity is doomed and that all our hopes and dreams are stupid. Running into one of Lovecraft's Elder Gods is like finding a strange pair of underwear in your bed and realizing that your spouse is cheating on you. It's not the underwear itself that's stabbing you in the heart; it's the betrayal it represents. Lovecraft's monsters are proof to the protagonist that the universe is not benevolent. Finding strange underwear might mean that your spouse never loved you; stumbling upon a Lovecraft creature means that God never loved you.
Likewise, there's nothing inherently scary about the color blue, or a bus where everyone is wearing it; what made it frightening in context was the complete betrayal of reality it represents.
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Re: The son of "What the hell are YOU staring at?"

Post by Fin Fang Foom » 28 Jun 2018, 14:46

I think most Carpenter fans consider POD the beginning of his flawed but good era and MOM the end of it.

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Post by Jasper » 29 Jun 2018, 06:11

JasonL wrote:
28 Jun 2018, 14:28
PoD is sneakily one of the best Carpenter films.
Co-sign.
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Re: The son of "What the hell are YOU staring at?"

Post by dbcooper » 02 Jul 2018, 22:37

Has anyone seen Sicario 2: The Sick-ario?
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Re: The son of "What the hell are YOU staring at?"

Post by Andrew » 03 Jul 2018, 09:24

dbcooper wrote:
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Has anyone seen Sicario 2: The Sick-ario?
You mean James Bond vs. The Cartels? Not yet.
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Re: The son of "What the hell are YOU staring at?"

Post by Fin Fang Foom » 03 Jul 2018, 11:02

Andrew wrote:
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dbcooper wrote:
02 Jul 2018, 22:37
Has anyone seen Sicario 2: The Sick-ario?
You mean James Bond vs. The Cartels? Not yet.

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Re: The son of "What the hell are YOU staring at?"

Post by dbcooper » 06 Jul 2018, 05:55

Fin Fang Foom wrote:
03 Jul 2018, 11:02
Andrew wrote:
03 Jul 2018, 09:24
dbcooper wrote:
02 Jul 2018, 22:37
Has anyone seen Sicario 2: The Sick-ario?
You mean James Bond vs. The Cartels? Not yet.
Nice. Was talking to my buddy tonight and he was talking about del Toro in that movie.
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Re: The son of "What the hell are YOU staring at?"

Post by dbcooper » 06 Jul 2018, 05:56

China Moon (very young Del Toro in a supporting role) looks good, but Madeleine Stowe is such a bloodless dud as a femme fatale.
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Re: The son of "What the hell are YOU staring at?"

Post by dbcooper » 06 Jul 2018, 06:28

Also some of the transfer is fucked up - blurry, like it is out of focus, at times, and harsh static on the soundtrack.
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Re: The son of "What the hell are YOU staring at?"

Post by Painboy » 06 Jul 2018, 15:03

dbcooper wrote:
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China Moon (very young Del Toro in a supporting role) looks good, but Madeleine Stowe is such a bloodless dud as a femme fatale.
LOL...Madelieine Stowe as a femme fatale. Was the casting director drunk? She might be a good actress but she has all the sexual electricity of a school marm.

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Re: The son of "What the hell are YOU staring at?"

Post by dbcooper » 12 Jul 2018, 07:36



Wow.
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Re: The son of "What the hell are YOU staring at?"

Post by Fin Fang Foom » 12 Jul 2018, 22:16

dbcooper wrote:
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Wow.
Wow what?

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Post by dbcooper » 12 Jul 2018, 22:26

That was exceptionally bad.
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Re: The son of "What the hell are YOU staring at?"

Post by Ellie » 12 Jul 2018, 22:35

What odds do you give it that it's still better than Amazon's upcoming "Jim Halpert IS Jack Ryan!" series?
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Re: The son of "What the hell are YOU staring at?"

Post by Ellie » 12 Jul 2018, 22:40

Anyway, what more exciting way for an action movie to start than to show a guy waking up and blearily wandering around a college campus for a full minute?

And exposition should always be delivered at full volume hollering over helicopter noise.
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Re: The son of "What the hell are YOU staring at?"

Post by Eric the .5b » 12 Jul 2018, 23:58

The opening on the campus isn't bad, and the hospital bit is dull but serviceable. The sequence in the helicopter is a mess, trying to convey too much information without much elegance or entertainment value (Jack Ryan is a Regular Dude who talks about football with his subordinates, Jack Ryan's pestering command about Intelligence Bullshit but being ignored, Jack Ryan's an officer who wants to be on the front lines, etc.) and then throwing in a broadly telegraphed random severe injury to justify him not being in the military, anymore.

All that for a character who, when played by Ford and Baldwin (at least, never saw Sum of All Fears), implored people to remember that he was "just an analyst", not an action hero. But then, I suppose his background being, "I have a way of getting drone strikes to hit the actual bad guys 12% of the time instead of 10%!" might not come off as cool.

Or, put another way, why, in a movie about a CIA agent, do we have to have a series of events to justify the agent actually joining the CIA?
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Re: The son of "What the hell are YOU staring at?"

Post by dbcooper » 19 Jul 2018, 06:40

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Re: The son of "What the hell are YOU staring at?"

Post by dbcooper » 19 Jul 2018, 07:44

One of those early nineties shirts:

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Re: The son of "What the hell are YOU staring at?"

Post by JasonL » 23 Jul 2018, 15:37

Lady Bird was an enjoyable flick. It came across as very believable.

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Re: The son of "What the hell are YOU staring at?"

Post by JD » 09 Aug 2018, 14:12

Last night I watched Lady Street Fighter, not to be confused with Sister Street Fighter the kung fu movie. All I can say is that if you love terrible B movies, you have to hunt down LSF (now available on Blu-ray, no really). It is howlingly incoherent and nonsensical, like Red Zone Cuba/Night Train to Mundo Fine incoherent, but at least LSF has boobs in it. A lot of completely gratuitous boobs.

The plot, I think: a woman's sister is tortured to death by some criminals who want her to reveal the location of a list containing the names of all the hit men in the US. The woman comes to the US to seek revenge and/or the list, which may have something to do with a stuffed animal. Also looking for the list are a crime syndicate and some FBI agents, who may or may not be crooked. There's a mob hitman with some awesome 1970s fashions and an antique stiletto he's oddly attached to. The head of the crime syndicate throws sex parties at his mansion. There are inexplicable car chases, awkward kung fu fights, and an even more awkward sex scene. I could write ten paragraphs on all the bizarre stuff that happens in this movie: the guys chanting "TO-GA, TO-GA" non-stop at the sex party. The mobster's "five year old" retarded daughter. An FBI agent licking his cigar intensely for some reason. The heroine licking a telephone and then performing fellatio on some celery not once but twice. The "asshole" car chase. The topless interview scene that then gets interrupted and turns into a gunpoint interrogation with a topless woman looking bored in the background.

But you have to see it for yourself, because NOTHING IN THIS FILM MAKES A DAMN BIT OF SENSE. Nobody can act their way out of a wet paper bag. The heroine has a really thick German accent. The fight choreography looks like it was directed by 4th graders but acted by nursing home patients. The script is excruciating: I think characters say some version of "If you keep poking your nose into this you might get hurt. That means killed. Get it?" One car chase is ended by the characters saying "We ran out of gas" and then continuing on foot. (They probably did run out of gas, given the budget for this film.) But the editing, oh god the editing. I seriously think the editor was wearing a blindfold the whole time: it constantly switches between night and day, characters appear and disappear for no reason, shots are reused and make even less sense than they did the first time. It's truly glorious if you like bottom-of-the-barrel exploitation movies.
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Re: The son of "What the hell are YOU staring at?"

Post by Jennifer » 17 Aug 2018, 18:01

I saw "American Satan," which was a very funny movie, except I don't think it was supposed to be. The premise is that all those people (especially during the '80s "Satanic Panic") who freaked out about rock-n-roll being the devil's music were right all along. So now (2017, when the movie came out), another young talented band moves to LA in hope of making the big time, and they do -- after meeting and making arrangements with Satan, played by Malcolm McDowell.
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Re: The son of "What the hell are YOU staring at?"

Post by Warren » 02 Sep 2018, 12:24

Death of a Gentleman
Oh Em Gee. If you want to take a break from the perpetual identity politics of social media yet still be able to work up a good froth over whiny, petulant, spoiled brats, this is the movie for you. Having no interest whatsoever in cricket when I started watching I now fervently desire that the game be played exclusively in India and Australia (and if I had my druthers, baseball would replace cricket in England), that T20 cricket be the only cricket, and no Test Match ever be played again anywhere, thus driving the film makers to self immolate.

On a side note, I will observe that the largest market by far for cricket is India. India is also home to the largest number of Hindus. Coincidence? I think not.
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Re: The son of "What the hell are YOU staring at?"

Post by Warren » 12 Sep 2018, 16:35

The Surrounding Game
Everything I hoped it would be. I know less about Go so it was more enjoyable to me than the scrabble doc.
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