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Re: I may want to see that?

Post by Sandy » 28 Jul 2017, 07:54

dead_elvis wrote:
Eric the .5b wrote:
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I've heard more reasonable complaints from people who take the approach... ...I have no faith that the people behind GOT will do a sensitive, thoughtful take on the subject."
The only thing the involvement of GOT people indicates to me is that they might not shy away from explicitly showing the cruelties of how slaves are treated, and that there will probably be plenty of rape.
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Re: I may want to see that?

Post by Jennifer » 28 Jul 2017, 17:16

Just before Hulu's "Handmaid's Tale" series came out, I recall, certain people did take vast umbrage at it -- specifically, Trumpsters who thought it was intended as an insult against Their Guy and a prediction of how horrible things would be now that Their Guy was in power. But I do not recall any umbrage from women's rights advocates huffing "You know, with women's reproductive freedoms already under attack in the United States, the last thing we need is yet another onscreen depiction of women having their rights taken away and being reduced to mere breeding vessels. Hey, Hollywood, why don't you try showing a world where women have all the power and men get shat upon for a change?"

But a lot of the preemptive criticism I'm seeing about HBO's Confederate basically is that: now of all times, the last thing we need is yet another onscreen depiction of white supremacy resulting in terrible things for black people. If anybody is going to be offended by the series, I expect it's most likely to be the Confederate apologists (of the "The Civil War was NOT fought over slavery" type), or the "slavery wasn't that bad" sorts (such as Bill O'Reilly arguing that hey, at least the slaves were given food!). Because I expect this series will indicate that yes, the Confederacy is invested in preserving slavery; and yes, slavery really is that bad for the slaves.

The only people I see this series actually appealing to (in the sense of "Gee, I wish the world were really like that") are the super-hardcore openly sadistic racists of the sort whom even Stormfront disavows in its efforts to be "respectable," the type's who'll openly say "Yeah, certain slavemasters DID torture their slaves, and that's why slavery was so awesome!" rather than waste time spinning narratives about benevolent slavemasters smiling as their happy darkies sang joyous ditties in the fields.
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Re: I may want to see that?

Post by Warren » 28 Jul 2017, 21:11

Hugh Akston wrote:
28 Jul 2017, 04:49
dead_elvis wrote:
28 Jul 2017, 00:37
Hugh Akston wrote:
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I mean Clooney has proven himself to be a competent if pale imitation of Soderbergh, so he might just be the guy to bring a mediocre Coen Bros movie into the world.
Looks ok, as long as nobody is claiming to have something insightful to say about what darkness lies behind suburbia's facade, 'cause I'm pretty sure that's already well covered ground.
Agreed. That is one of the most cliched themes in cinema. Has there ever been a "suburbia is secretly a place of darkness and repression" movie that was any good?
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Re: I may want to see that?

Post by Jennifer » 29 Jul 2017, 19:05

Jennifer wrote:
28 Jul 2017, 17:16
If anybody is going to be offended by the series, I expect it's most likely to be the Confederate apologists (of the "The Civil War was NOT fought over slavery" type), or the "slavery wasn't that bad" sorts (such as Bill O'Reilly arguing that hey, at least the slaves were given food!). Because I expect this series will indicate that yes, the Confederacy is invested in preserving slavery; and yes, slavery really is that bad for the slaves.
Uh-huh. "Roosh's" crazy "Return of Kings and we actually think we'll be kings rather than shat-upon peons" site is opposed to the upcoming series on the grounds that it'll be propaganda by (((Jews))) to make white supremacy look bad. Actual quote (listing the dishonest bullshit he predicts the show will have):
The Confederacy is a true “white supremacy” the left always dreams about. All non-whites are 2nd class individuals who cannot vote and must give up their seats, tip their hats, step aside on footpaths, and open doors for whites without any expectation of reciprocity.
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Re: I may want to see that?

Post by Fin Fang Foom » 30 Jul 2017, 10:36

Warren wrote:
28 Jul 2017, 21:11
Hugh Akston wrote:
28 Jul 2017, 04:49
dead_elvis wrote:
28 Jul 2017, 00:37
Hugh Akston wrote:
27 Jul 2017, 23:10
I mean Clooney has proven himself to be a competent if pale imitation of Soderbergh, so he might just be the guy to bring a mediocre Coen Bros movie into the world.
Looks ok, as long as nobody is claiming to have something insightful to say about what darkness lies behind suburbia's facade, 'cause I'm pretty sure that's already well covered ground.
Agreed. That is one of the most cliched themes in cinema. Has there ever been a "suburbia is secretly a place of darkness and repression" movie that was any good?
I liked The Burbs but that's going to hang on how you feel about Tom Hanks and whichever Cory was in it. The cast also boasts the under-appreciated Brother Theodor.
The Burbs is great. Joe Dante, the director, has done some really good movies.
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Re: I may want to see that?

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Re: I may want to see that?

Post by Warren » 01 Aug 2017, 23:59

The trailer looks good. Is it based on a book? As with all "true story" movies I want to know how untrue it is.
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Re: I may want to see that?

Post by Ellie » 02 Aug 2017, 00:51

I think it's based on Mind Hunter by John Douglas, which I was OBSESSED with in college for some reason. That's a decent read, recapping a number of different cases over the beginning years of the FBI's behavioral profiling unit.

While the crimes were awful, the telling is straightforward. I'm not sure what to think of why the trailer makes it all look so lurid and dramatic. If the show is that way it will probably suck. But maybe the trailer is just exaggerating to drum up interest.
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Re: I may want to see that?

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I've never seen an Eli Roth movie, are they the mindless splatterporn they appear to be?
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Re: I may want to see that?

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death wish...for the lulz

ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh no
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Re: I may want to see that?

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Re: I may want to see that?

Post by Fin Fang Foom » 04 Aug 2017, 09:24

Hugh Akston wrote:
04 Aug 2017, 01:18
I've never seen an Eli Roth movie, are they the mindless splatterporn they appear to be?
Yep. Nihilistic and boring. Often pretty xenophobic.
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Re: I may want to see that?

Post by dead_elvis » 04 Aug 2017, 11:20

Sock full of quarters or GTFO.

Looks pretty terrible, but the possible upside could be lots of op-eds on how much lower the crime rate is now than in the early 70s.
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Re: I may want to see that?

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Arnofsky has made quite a few movies that you really only need to see once. If that.
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Re: I may want to see that?

Post by Eric the .5b » 14 Aug 2017, 04:31

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Re: I may want to see that?

Post by Warren » 14 Aug 2017, 11:07

Eric the .5b wrote:
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[THE DEATH OF STALIN]
Looks good. Great cast.
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Re: I may want to see that?

Post by thoreau » 14 Aug 2017, 11:08

I might get it on DVD just so I can watch Stalin die again and again.
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Re: I may want to see that?

Post by Hugh Akston » 16 Aug 2017, 11:16

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Re: I may want to see that?

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Hugh Akston wrote:
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Re: I may want to see that?

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There's a neo-noir vibe that I like, and a Neon Demon vibe that I don't. But #starringJohnCho in a stylized movie about LA? Yeah I'll see that.
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Re: I may want to see that?

Post by Warren » 18 Aug 2017, 00:11

Hugh Akston wrote:
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There's a neo-noir vibe that I like, and a Neon Demon vibe that I don't. But #starringJohnCho in a stylized movie about LA? Yeah I'll see that.
I'm more of a paleo-noir guy.
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Re: I may want to see that?

Post by Jennifer » 05 Sep 2017, 17:32

Saw a commercial for the upcoming theater-movie remake of Stephen King's "It." Looks like it will be MUCH scarier than the 1990s miniseries (not that this is saying much), but Jeff said that they're only doing half the novel showing the kids as kids, without the adult part. Which strikes me as a cheap copout way to ensure a sequel.

I most likely will watch it, but not until such time as I can watch it for free.
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Re: I may want to see that?

Post by the innominate one » 05 Sep 2017, 21:23

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Re: I may want to see that?

Post by Sandy » 06 Sep 2017, 11:18

OMG Nancy Pelosi could totally play that role and it would be a while before anyone noticed.
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Re: I may want to see that?

Post by the innominate one » 06 Sep 2017, 15:19

There's a Nancy Pelosi drive in sf.
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