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Speaking of interiors and such, this article is about an interesting observation: cars are lasting longer than ever before, mechanically, but interiors are pretty much the same as ever, so they're going to have to be re-engineered to last as long as the mechanical parts.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/ca ... 211617001/
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JD wrote:
27 Sep 2019, 13:05
Speaking of interiors and such, this article is about an interesting observation: cars are lasting longer than ever before, mechanically, but interiors are pretty much the same as ever, so they're going to have to be re-engineered to last as long as the mechanical parts.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/ca ... 211617001/
There's a lot to be said as to the driving and maintenance habits of the owner regarding auto longevity. That goes tripple (at least) for the interior. The only thing that's going to give out no matter what you do is the cushion in the driver's seat (and other seats that get used regular) everything else can be kept in good condition if you make a point of doing so.
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I was in a budget planning meeting today and the campus planner went off on a brief tangent about how do you handle needing way more parking on your campus now, but knowing self-driving cars are coming down the pike (except you don't know exactly when)? It was a really interesting thing to ponder! (I'm so glad I'm not a planner.)

Edited to add: actually, now that I say that last bit, I remember that my working title is Budget Analyst but my official title actually is Budget Planner. Y'all, I might not be cut out for this job :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Ellie wrote:
13 Nov 2019, 16:14
I was in a budget planning meeting today and the campus planner went off on a brief tangent about how do you handle needing way more parking on your campus now, but knowing self-driving cars are coming down the pike (except you don't know exactly when)? It was a really interesting thing to ponder! (I'm so glad I'm not a planner.)

Edited to add: actually, now that I say that last bit, I remember that my working title is Budget Analyst but my official title actually is Budget Planner. Y'all, I might not be cut out for this job :lol: :lol: :lol:
Budget planning maybe notequal physical plant planner? All you have to plan is the shifting of the money. They have to also figure out parking structures and self-driving cars.
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Ellie wrote:
13 Nov 2019, 16:14
I was in a budget planning meeting today and the campus planner went off on a brief tangent about how do you handle needing way more parking on your campus now, but knowing self-driving cars are coming down the pike (except you don't know exactly when)? It was a really interesting thing to ponder! (I'm so glad I'm not a planner.)

Edited to add: actually, now that I say that last bit, I remember that my working title is Budget Analyst but my official title actually is Budget Planner. Y'all, I might not be cut out for this job :lol: :lol: :lol:
This sounds like one of those problems that's not a problem. Build some parking now. When you're done with building that, evaluate if you still need more parking. If the answer is "Yep, still need more parking" then you build more parking. Then repeat. When you have a point where "Hey, now we don't need more parking" then you stop building. And when you have empty parking structures and lots, you start building other buildings on the parking lots (like every college and university has been doing for the last 50 years).

If you're building parking structures now, then you leave the structures up and build on the surface lots that are left.

This is probably the "way too simplified engineer" thing, but this definitely seems like the easy direction to have the problem. It would be much harder if you think "We don't need the parking lots now, so lets build buildings on them now" and then you need the parking later.
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Highway wrote:
13 Nov 2019, 19:44
Ellie wrote:
13 Nov 2019, 16:14
I was in a budget planning meeting today and the campus planner went off on a brief tangent about how do you handle needing way more parking on your campus now, but knowing self-driving cars are coming down the pike (except you don't know exactly when)? It was a really interesting thing to ponder! (I'm so glad I'm not a planner.)

Edited to add: actually, now that I say that last bit, I remember that my working title is Budget Analyst but my official title actually is Budget Planner. Y'all, I might not be cut out for this job :lol: :lol: :lol:
This sounds like one of those problems that's not a problem. Build some parking now. When you're done with building that, evaluate if you still need more parking. If the answer is "Yep, still need more parking" then you build more parking. Then repeat. When you have a point where "Hey, now we don't need more parking" then you stop building. And when you have empty parking structures and lots, you start building other buildings on the parking lots (like every college and university has been doing for the last 50 years).

If you're building parking structures now, then you leave the structures up and build on the surface lots that are left.

This is probably the "way too simplified engineer" thing, but this definitely seems like the easy direction to have the problem. It would be much harder if you think "We don't need the parking lots now, so lets build buildings on them now" and then you need the parking later.
I'm surprised to hear you talk this way. In the first place, building a little at a time can be vastly more expensive than planning and committing to a multi-year build out. In the second place, It's pretty clear that while yes, they know they need more parking now, it's not at all clear if they'll need that parking five years from now.
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Warren wrote:
13 Nov 2019, 21:28
Highway wrote:
13 Nov 2019, 19:44
Ellie wrote:
13 Nov 2019, 16:14
I was in a budget planning meeting today and the campus planner went off on a brief tangent about how do you handle needing way more parking on your campus now, but knowing self-driving cars are coming down the pike (except you don't know exactly when)? It was a really interesting thing to ponder! (I'm so glad I'm not a planner.)

Edited to add: actually, now that I say that last bit, I remember that my working title is Budget Analyst but my official title actually is Budget Planner. Y'all, I might not be cut out for this job :lol: :lol: :lol:
This sounds like one of those problems that's not a problem. Build some parking now. When you're done with building that, evaluate if you still need more parking. If the answer is "Yep, still need more parking" then you build more parking. Then repeat. When you have a point where "Hey, now we don't need more parking" then you stop building. And when you have empty parking structures and lots, you start building other buildings on the parking lots (like every college and university has been doing for the last 50 years).

If you're building parking structures now, then you leave the structures up and build on the surface lots that are left.

This is probably the "way too simplified engineer" thing, but this definitely seems like the easy direction to have the problem. It would be much harder if you think "We don't need the parking lots now, so lets build buildings on them now" and then you need the parking later.
I'm surprised to hear you talk this way. In the first place, building a little at a time can be vastly more expensive than planning and committing to a multi-year build out. In the second place, It's pretty clear that while yes, they know they need more parking now, it's not at all clear if they'll need that parking five years from now.
Based on the way AV development has cooled off, it's a pretty certain bet that there won't be a significant rollout of fully autonomous vehicles within 10 years (and this is certainly not my preference, I feel the sooner the better, but they need to be pretty foolproof). On top of that, Ellie's in Minnesota, which may be one of the last populated places in the US that autonomous vehicles are put in service, due to the significant bad weather conditions. Minimum level 4 would be fine in Arizona, but usable vehicles in Minnesota would need to be near level 5.

And you can have a plan, but in the world of construction, you don't get a whole lot of economy of scale with a long term plan. Everything is going to cost pretty close to "time and materials". It's not like some constructor is going to give them a package deal for a buildout in the future, and they're not going to be able to lock in prices now if something's not built now (at least not without escalators that are probably worse than the actual increase in prices will be). The places they'd save is on things like mobilization, scheduling, and borrow / waste, and that's not related to the long-term plan. That's related to "how much are we building right now."

My assumption in all of this is that the school is intending to address their parking shortage with multi-level parking structures as opposed to land acquisition and surface lots. Another assumption is that the school already has a significant amount of surface lots, and part of the plan is the conversion of some of those surface lots to structures, as cash flow allows. Further, if they get to a point where the rollout of AV and other mobility services is accelerating faster than what they planned for, they can then change the plan from converting more surface lots to multi-level parking structures, and change instead to allocating those surface lots to future school non-parking facilities.
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I got to drive a friend's Miata today. Holy shit was that thing fun. Definitely not big enough for someone my height and with my leg length, but that just added to the experience.
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Andrew wrote:
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I got to drive a friend's Miata today. Holy shit was that thing fun. Definitely not big enough for someone my height and with my leg length, but that just added to the experience.
I'm barely short enough, but you should try one after it's been supercharged. (No, mine hasn't yet, but I've driven one from the company that will do the work when I finally do get it done for mine.)

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ShareNow, which is now the same thing as Car2Go unless I'm much mistaken, is leaving North America (and London, Brussels, and Florence). It's too bad - they were far from perfect, but it was still a useful service. Ultimately I don't know if anybody can make that model work unless there's a major change in the economics of it.
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As I look for a bus that I could convert into an RV and live that sweet sweet skoolie life, most of the ones I come across are diesel engines. I am scared of diesel engines!
- unfamiliar to me
- loud
- don't start when it's cold
- expensive to fix
- everybody in Europe seems to drive diesel vehicles and I can't decide if that's a point in their favor or not

What do you think, non-hive mind? Are you a fan of diesel engines? Do you think I'm nuts? Have you never really thought about it before because you have better things to do with your time?
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Ellie wrote:
17 Jan 2020, 11:44
As I look for a bus that I could convert into an RV and live that sweet sweet skoolie life, most of the ones I come across are diesel engines. I am scared of diesel engines!
- unfamiliar to me
- loud
- don't start when it's cold
- expensive to fix
- everybody in Europe seems to drive diesel vehicles and I can't decide if that's a point in their favor or not

What do you think, non-hive mind? Are you a fan of diesel engines? Do you think I'm nuts? Have you never really thought about it before because you have better things to do with your time?
There was a time when Mercedes made a good diesel engine car when the price of diesel fuel was far lower than gasoline, and diesels probably make sense for some heavy duty work vehicles, but gas is cheap and every gas station has, um, gas but maybe not diesel fuel. Plus emissions issues and the other faults you mentioned. Everyone in Europe does not drive diesel cars, though they may have been more popular decades ago as they were then back in the U.S.

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I understand VW turbo diesels are fuel efficient and hardly pollute at all!

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Everyone on skoolie groups is super gay for diesel. Which makes sense for a full-size bus maybe, but I don't think is such a big deal on a short bus built on a van chassis. It's not like you're going to be driving it up a mountainside. But if you say you prefer gas, forty guys will come rushing in to tell you how wrong you are and how a diesel engine is more reliable with regular maintenance. Haven't you ever heard of the million mile motor? Etc.
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JasonL wrote:
17 Jan 2020, 13:22
I understand VW turbo diesels are fuel efficient and hardly pollute at all!
I'm still angry about it. I was a big VW diesel booster.
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Jasper wrote:
17 Jan 2020, 14:40
JasonL wrote:
17 Jan 2020, 13:22
I understand VW turbo diesels are fuel efficient and hardly pollute at all!
I'm still angry about it. I was a big VW diesel booster.
Me too.

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Ellie wrote:
17 Jan 2020, 13:44
Everyone on skoolie groups is super gay for diesel. Which makes sense for a full-size bus maybe, but I don't think is such a big deal on a short bus built on a van chassis. It's not like you're going to be driving it up a mountainside. But if you say you prefer gas, forty guys will come rushing in to tell you how wrong you are and how a diesel engine is more reliable with regular maintenance. Haven't you ever heard of the million mile motor? Etc.
I dunno, if diesel is worthwhile for pickup trucks and ambulances, I could see it also working for short-busses. IANAE, of course.

(One concern would be cold-temperature starting, of course, but I think people in the northern wastes get those heater-things?)
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