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Re: cars and how they get that way

Post by JD » 26 Jul 2018, 14:45

Kwix wrote:
14 May 2018, 14:36
In particular I live at the border of civilization where country drivers need to do impossible things like getting up to highway speed before merging from an on ramp.
Ugh. We have a few on-ramps here in NYC where the signage idiotically insists you come to a full stop right before entering the highway. You have no choice but to wait for what seems like a reasonable gap and then absolutely floor it in hopes of getting up to speed in time.
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Re: cars and how they get that way

Post by Highway » 26 Jul 2018, 14:54

dead_elvis wrote:
26 Jul 2018, 14:36
Both a friend and I have recently rented the Ford Ecosport. We both recommend avoiding these shitmobiles. All of the fancy gizmos as well as basic things like where the rear door on the latches are frustratingly unintuitive. And even though it looks like an SUV one large suitcase can *barely* fit in the back
Ford's design language is horrible. All their controls are just awful, and they perpetuate it through generation after generation of vehicle. They even fuck up things like "handle to pull the back door shut."
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Re: cars and how they get that way

Post by Highway » 26 Jul 2018, 14:56

JD wrote:
26 Jul 2018, 14:45
Kwix wrote:
14 May 2018, 14:36
In particular I live at the border of civilization where country drivers need to do impossible things like getting up to highway speed before merging from an on ramp.
Ugh. We have a few on-ramps here in NYC where the signage idiotically insists you come to a full stop right before entering the highway. You have no choice but to wait for what seems like a reasonable gap and then absolutely floor it in hopes of getting up to speed in time.
It's a compromise. The alternative is a higher frequency of crashes because people get into the limited ramp space, have nowhere to merge in, and run out of road. It's also better for the highway operation, because you don't get the friction of a platoon of vehicles entering and having to find a space. That's the operational idea behind ramp metering, which is just going to get more prevalent.
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Re: cars and how they get that way

Post by Andrew » 26 Jul 2018, 16:47

The dealership where I get service done on my pickup and the dealership where I bought it have both contacted me multiple times to see if I want to sell my truck. In looking at used prices on their websites, I can see why. They are selling similar used trucks with more miles for more than I paid for mine 3 years ago.
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Post by Highway » 26 Jul 2018, 18:01

Used car prices are craaaaaazy. Jack Baruth had a pretty good article about why he thinks this is: So many people have the "I'm never going to buy a NEW car! Why should I take the depreciation hit?" idea that used to be ok advice. But cars have reached a point where they last so long (in general) that a 3 year old car with even 50,000 miles is almost new to both the original buyer and the prospective used buyer. So nobody sells a 3 year old car anymore, much less a 1 or 2 year old car. And while you'd think that there would be a lot coming off of 36 month leases, there still aren't enough to let the prices go down. So people who think they're doing great by buying a "used" car are really just hurting themselves by not even considering a new car.
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Post by Kolohe » 26 Jul 2018, 18:59

Plus cash for clunkers cleared out all the bottom of the market 7 years ago, while new car sales cratered, so much of the current used market is probably far younger than the historical average.
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Re: cars and how they get that way

Post by dead_elvis » 27 Jul 2018, 01:22

Well that's just crap, as I'm anticipating being in the market for a new-to-me car in the next couple of years, and have always been a fan of used.
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Post by Highway » 27 Jul 2018, 08:02

The ramifications are actually not that bad. It means cars are holding their value for the reason that they are better. So new cars are far better than they used to be, and are better longer into their life. It's less that you get "screwed" as a used car buyer, and more that the new car buyers are not giving up as much value.

The answer is more that one should not limit themselves to only used cars.
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Post by Andrew » 27 Jul 2018, 10:26

dead_elvis wrote:
27 Jul 2018, 01:22
Well that's just crap, as I'm anticipating being in the market for a new-to-me car in the next couple of years, and have always been a fan of used.
Also, the used market for trucks/Jeep Wranglers is particularly screwed up where I am. Your location might not be as bad, especially for cars.
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Post by Tuco » 31 Jul 2018, 06:55

Last time I went to the mailbox I noticed the temperature gauge on my pickup was acting a little goofy, running cool at speed and heating up at idle. So I figure I've got a fan clutch going out, maybe a thermostat, and seeing as how I've been expressly forbidden from ever working on my own vehicle, which has turned out to be a good thing for me and the machine in question as well as any critter within earshot, I got back to the house just in time to make an appointment with the mechanic. Like a responsible adult.

Appointment's on Monday, so Sunday I popped the hood to check fluid levels and stuff. Like a responsible adult. Oil okay, water okay, brake fluid okay. But then I catch a whiff of something. Damn, Tuco, I said to myself, you really need a bath. But I poke around a little and sure as hell, there's a dead cat wadded up between the radiator and the grill. So I pull him out et voilà problem solved. Temperature gauge stays where it's supposed to. So I didn't have to take a bath or go to town after all.

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Post by Warren » 31 Jul 2018, 10:59

Congratulations on reclaiming your testicles Tuco!
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Re: cars and how they get that way

Post by dhex » 31 Jul 2018, 12:14

I'm presuming dead cat isn't a term of art for something engine related?
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Post by Fin Fang Foom » 31 Jul 2018, 12:31

And you got dinner!

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Post by Ellie » 31 Jul 2018, 13:59

I thought this thread was cars and how they get that way, not cats and how they get that way.
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Post by Warren » 31 Jul 2018, 15:50

dhex wrote:
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I'm presuming dead cat isn't a term of art for something engine related?
No, if he meant some generic undetermined animal he'd have said 'squirrel'.
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Post by Tuco » 01 Aug 2018, 06:26

dhex wrote:
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I'm presuming dead cat isn't a term of art for something engine related?
Nope. Critters I can recognize. All that other bullshit under the hood is another matter.

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Post by Tuco » 01 Aug 2018, 06:28

Ellie wrote:
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I thought this thread was cars and how they get that way, not cats and how they get that way.
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Post by Tuco » 01 Aug 2018, 06:29

Fin Fang Foom wrote:
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And you got dinner!
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Re: cars and how they get that way

Post by Jennifer » 03 Aug 2018, 02:37

Highway wrote:
26 Jul 2018, 14:56
JD wrote:
26 Jul 2018, 14:45
Kwix wrote:
14 May 2018, 14:36
In particular I live at the border of civilization where country drivers need to do impossible things like getting up to highway speed before merging from an on ramp.
Ugh. We have a few on-ramps here in NYC where the signage idiotically insists you come to a full stop right before entering the highway. You have no choice but to wait for what seems like a reasonable gap and then absolutely floor it in hopes of getting up to speed in time.
It's a compromise. The alternative is a higher frequency of crashes because people get into the limited ramp space, have nowhere to merge in, and run out of road. It's also better for the highway operation, because you don't get the friction of a platoon of vehicles entering and having to find a space. That's the operational idea behind ramp metering, which is just going to get more prevalent.
In Atlanta and its surrounding suburbs, some of the highway on-ramps have actual traffic lights, presumably powered by under-road car-detecting sensors. The lights are not always in use, but when they are, only one car is allowed per green light. I'd never seen that before coming to Atlanta.
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Post by Mo » 03 Aug 2018, 05:10

Jennifer wrote:
Highway wrote:
26 Jul 2018, 14:56
JD wrote:
26 Jul 2018, 14:45
Kwix wrote:
14 May 2018, 14:36
In particular I live at the border of civilization where country drivers need to do impossible things like getting up to highway speed before merging from an on ramp.
Ugh. We have a few on-ramps here in NYC where the signage idiotically insists you come to a full stop right before entering the highway. You have no choice but to wait for what seems like a reasonable gap and then absolutely floor it in hopes of getting up to speed in time.
It's a compromise. The alternative is a higher frequency of crashes because people get into the limited ramp space, have nowhere to merge in, and run out of road. It's also better for the highway operation, because you don't get the friction of a platoon of vehicles entering and having to find a space. That's the operational idea behind ramp metering, which is just going to get more prevalent.
In Atlanta and its surrounding suburbs, some of the highway on-ramps have actual traffic lights, presumably powered by under-road car-detecting sensors. The lights are not always in use, but when they are, only one car is allowed per green light. I'd never seen that before coming to Atlanta.
California has those. They generally are activated during times of high congestion.
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Re: cars and how they get that way

Post by Highway » 03 Aug 2018, 08:31

Mo wrote:
Jennifer wrote:
Highway wrote:
26 Jul 2018, 14:56
JD wrote:
26 Jul 2018, 14:45
Kwix wrote:
14 May 2018, 14:36
In particular I live at the border of civilization where country drivers need to do impossible things like getting up to highway speed before merging from an on ramp.
Ugh. We have a few on-ramps here in NYC where the signage idiotically insists you come to a full stop right before entering the highway. You have no choice but to wait for what seems like a reasonable gap and then absolutely floor it in hopes of getting up to speed in time.
It's a compromise. The alternative is a higher frequency of crashes because people get into the limited ramp space, have nowhere to merge in, and run out of road. It's also better for the highway operation, because you don't get the friction of a platoon of vehicles entering and having to find a space. That's the operational idea behind ramp metering, which is just going to get more prevalent.
In Atlanta and its surrounding suburbs, some of the highway on-ramps have actual traffic lights, presumably powered by under-road car-detecting sensors. The lights are not always in use, but when they are, only one car is allowed per green light. I'd never seen that before coming to Atlanta.
California has those. They generally are activated during times of high congestion.
Edit: never mind. I already said it.
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Post by Mo » 03 Aug 2018, 09:06

California, also, for the most part, also has pretty long merge lanes. Aside from on the old highways, like the 110 in Pasadena. The 110 there also is conveniently very windy, which is great for visibility.
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Post by Jadagul » 03 Aug 2018, 10:10

Mo wrote:
03 Aug 2018, 09:06
California, also, for the most part, also has pretty long merge lanes. Aside from on the old highways, like the 110 in Pasadena. The 110 there also is conveniently very windy, which is great for visibility.
The 110 is a lot of fun to drive on in good conditions, but such a pain to merge on.

I do find it absurdly fun that you can just drive on to the beginning of it, though. Like, not with an on-ramp; you're driving south on a regular city street and then you're on the freeway.

(And the fastest way to current partner's place is to drive onto the 110 and then immediately take the first exit, after being on the freeway for like five hundred feet. So that's fun in a silly way too).

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Post by Ellie » 03 Aug 2018, 10:32

Mo wrote:
03 Aug 2018, 05:10
Jennifer wrote: In Atlanta and its surrounding suburbs, some of the highway on-ramps have actual traffic lights, presumably powered by under-road car-detecting sensors. The lights are not always in use, but when they are, only one car is allowed per green light. I'd never seen that before coming to Atlanta.
California has those. They generally are activated during times of high congestion.
That's so interesting to me -- they're everywhere in the Twin Cities, and it never occurred to me they weren't used everywhere in the country.
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Post by Highway » 03 Aug 2018, 11:41

Ellie wrote:
Mo wrote:
03 Aug 2018, 05:10
Jennifer wrote: In Atlanta and its surrounding suburbs, some of the highway on-ramps have actual traffic lights, presumably powered by under-road car-detecting sensors. The lights are not always in use, but when they are, only one car is allowed per green light. I'd never seen that before coming to Atlanta.
California has those. They generally are activated during times of high congestion.
That's so interesting to me -- they're everywhere in the Twin Cities, and it never occurred to me they weren't used everywhere in the country.
There is a huge Not-Invented-Here attitude within highway organizations. They almost need to be convinced they came up with an idea on their own. It's almost worse if it's something that is effective other places, because it's like they "lost" or something.

Ramp metering is also one of those last resort kind of things when you can't construct your way out of a problem. So it's not very prevalent yet.
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