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Highway wrote:
05 Jan 2020, 14:04
Probably better to call it a civil engineering disaster.

The time of failure must have been amazingly short given the height of the breach flow, although I wish the article had given an estimate of the flow rate, not just a height.

Currently I'm working on the delegation of "small pond" review authority in our state, but large dams are not involved in that (thank goodness). Ours are only hazard class 'a' dams, failure of which is unlikely to result in loss of life or property damage. But even with that, the scrutiny and oversight of all dams is being increased due to the catastrophic nature of their failure.
You might want to watch Forgotten Tragedy: The Story of the St Francis Dam currently available on Amazon Prime. Not a great documentary as far as watchability goes. But it has a lot more information.
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I saw a TV show about the "Satanic Ritual Abuse" panic and the Keller case in Texas, and it inspired me to do a little research, and I found something really interesting I'd never heard of before that some people have pointed to as kicking off the whole SRA and recovered-memory debacle.

In 1980, psychiatrist Dr. Lawrence Pazder and Michelle Smith published the "nonfiction" book Michelle Remembers, which uncritically reported on Michelle Smith's "recovered memories" of being horrifically abused by a Satanic cult, one of the first modern works on the topic. Despite a complete lack of corroborating evidence, Pazder and Smith presented all this as completely factual. And within a few years, people were seeing Satanic child-abusing cults everywhere...

Pazder apparently believed (assuming he was sincere) that Smith "couldn't" have just been a disturbed person who was conflating things she'd seen with her memories, but given the cultural environment of the times, it seems like something she might easily have picked up elsewhere. Consider:
- 1968: Rosemary's Baby
- 1973: The Exorcist
- 1976: The Omen
- 1976/77: Michelle Smith claims she was abused by a Satanic cult as a child
- 1980: Michelle Remembers is published
- 1983: the McMartin preschool case is filed
It's like a damn connect-the-dots drawing.
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Despite a complete lack of corroborating evidence, Pazder and Smith presented all this as completely factual.
Which is why psychology is taught by the Liberal Arts Department.
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Warren, are you repressing memories of a liberal arts student touching you? Or not touching you?
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I was under the impression that the word ginormous was the invention of a Will Ferrell movie, but Mr Webster says it was a bit of British military slang dating back to the war.
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thoreau wrote:
06 Jan 2020, 12:55
Warren, are you repressing memories of a liberal arts student touching you? Or not touching you?
I think we all know the liberal arts never laid a glove on Warren.

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D.A. Ridgely wrote:
05 Jan 2020, 12:19
The biggest man-made disaster of 20th century America was Donald Trump.
You take that back! He'll tell you himself: he's a self-made disaster! ;)
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Hugh Akston wrote:
06 Jan 2020, 21:26
I was under the impression that the word ginormous was the invention of a Will Ferrell movie, but Mr Webster says it was a bit of British military slang dating back to the war.
Interesting: https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?c ... us%3B%2Cc0
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The gas leak at DuPont's plant in Bhopal India killed like four times as many people as that. That seems like a man-made disaster to me, but what do I know?
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Well you don't know when a new page starts or that after three days the thread has drifted that's for shit sure. :P
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Your last post about the disasters topic was on this page. Jake posted about the disasters topic six posts and less than two days after your post. My post was two posts and less than 12 hours after Jake's.
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There was a civilian airliner (as in, the same individual plane) that was shot at twice by military forces. (Though the first time might have been deliberate, i.e. not a target misidentification)

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A calque is when a term from one language is adopted into another by translating the individual words, like "marche aux puces" -> "flea market", or "skyscraper" -> "rascacielos".

But something I was not familiar with is phono-semantic matching, in which both the term's meaning and its phonology from its parent language are approximated in the borrowing language. For example, the Mandarin for "world wide web" is wàn wéi wǎng, which means "myriad dimensional net", and the Mandarin for "sonar" is shēngnà, which means, loosely, "receiving sound".
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There once was a powerful country that built a 1000-mile barrier to try and prevent smuggling, and it didn't work, as people found holes in it, or climbed over it, or just threw things over it.

The country was Great Britain, and the barrier was to prevent the smuggling of salt from one side of India to the other.
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Slightly disappointing bit of linguistic trivia: in British English, the word "bedsit" refers to a living arrangement which an American would call "SRO/single-room occupancy" or "room in a boardinghouse" (if not for the fact that "snob zoning" laws have basically outlawed such affordable accommodations in most of the United States): basically, you have your own private room, but not your own private bathing, toilet and kitchen facilities; these are shared among all residents of the building.

During the spoken-word part of "Nights in White Satin," when the man says "Bedsitter people look back and lament / another day's useless energy spent" ... I've been hearing that song since before I was old enough to form long-term memories, and I'd always figured "bedsitter people" referred to sick or injured folks lamenting the fact that they're confined to their beds all day (and NOT for the sort of pleasant romantic activities implied by other lyrics of that song) -- but no, it refers to people in living arrangements popular with The Poors. The same lyric written by a contemporary American might say "Trailer-park dwellers look back and lament."

Nights in White Satin remains a beautiful song, but I liked it a tiny bit more when I thought a certain lyric was expressing sympathy for the bedridden.

ETA: A friend of mine who's a UK native says there was no stigma attached to bedsits in the UK, the way there are stigmas attached to certain po'folks housing in the US.
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St Johns Canada is closer to Rome than it is to Victoria Canada.
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Jennifer wrote:
22 Jan 2020, 18:33
ETA: A friend of mine who's a UK native says there was no stigma attached to bedsits in the UK, the way there are stigmas attached to certain po'folks housing in the US.
Given the stigma that exists WRT council housing in the UK, I suspect that's not a universal take, there. Not unless there are young "public school" graduates living there out of university.
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Mo wrote:
03 Feb 2020, 18:07
St Johns Canada is closer to Rome than it is to Victoria Canada.
Something Canadians constantly have to explain when visiting Europe and Asia when they meet someone who asks "I have a cousin in Canada, do you know him?"

(This is the one thing that USIANS get better than Europeans - they understand distances in North America are huge compared to Europe.)
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Aresen wrote:
03 Feb 2020, 19:30
Mo wrote:
03 Feb 2020, 18:07
St Johns Canada is closer to Rome than it is to Victoria Canada.
Something Canadians constantly have to explain when visiting Europe and Asia when they meet someone who asks "I have a cousin in Canada, do you know him?"

(This is the one thing that USIANS get better than Europeans - they understand distances in North America are huge compared to Europe.)
Yeah it's big. But there's only like seventeen people living in it right?
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Warren wrote:
03 Feb 2020, 19:50
Aresen wrote:
03 Feb 2020, 19:30
Mo wrote:
03 Feb 2020, 18:07
St Johns Canada is closer to Rome than it is to Victoria Canada.
Something Canadians constantly have to explain when visiting Europe and Asia when they meet someone who asks "I have a cousin in Canada, do you know him?"

(This is the one thing that USIANS get better than Europeans - they understand distances in North America are huge compared to Europe.)
Yeah it's big. But there's only like seventeen people living in it right?
Only if you count the immigrants.
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Eric the .5b wrote:
03 Feb 2020, 18:45
Jennifer wrote:
22 Jan 2020, 18:33
ETA: A friend of mine who's a UK native says there was no stigma attached to bedsits in the UK, the way there are stigmas attached to certain po'folks housing in the US.
Given the stigma that exists WRT council housing in the UK, I suspect that's not a universal take, there. Not unless there are young "public school" graduates living there out of university.
But council housing is tax-subsidizes whereas bedsits aren't, which may account for the discrepancy. (Also, he said bedsits have largely disappeared Britain, similar to how SROs have largely gone from America.)
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Jennifer wrote:
03 Feb 2020, 21:02
Eric the .5b wrote:
03 Feb 2020, 18:45
Jennifer wrote:
22 Jan 2020, 18:33
ETA: A friend of mine who's a UK native says there was no stigma attached to bedsits in the UK, the way there are stigmas attached to certain po'folks housing in the US.
Given the stigma that exists WRT council housing in the UK, I suspect that's not a universal take, there. Not unless there are young "public school" graduates living there out of university.
But council housing is tax-subsidizes whereas bedsits aren't, which may account for the discrepancy. (Also, he said bedsits have largely disappeared Britain, similar to how SROs have largely gone from America.)
That latter factor sounds more relevant.
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Eric the .5b wrote:
03 Feb 2020, 18:45
Jennifer wrote:
22 Jan 2020, 18:33
ETA: A friend of mine who's a UK native says there was no stigma attached to bedsits in the UK, the way there are stigmas attached to certain po'folks housing in the US.
Given the stigma that exists WRT council housing in the UK, I suspect that's not a universal take, there. Not unless there are young "public school" graduates living there out of university.
The stigma attached to council housing depends on the specific council housing. And my experience seems to be that the stigma is significantly less than the projects.
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Mo wrote:
04 Feb 2020, 05:08
Eric the .5b wrote:
03 Feb 2020, 18:45
Jennifer wrote:
22 Jan 2020, 18:33
ETA: A friend of mine who's a UK native says there was no stigma attached to bedsits in the UK, the way there are stigmas attached to certain po'folks housing in the US.
Given the stigma that exists WRT council housing in the UK, I suspect that's not a universal take, there. Not unless there are young "public school" graduates living there out of university.
The stigma attached to council housing depends on the specific council housing. And my experience seems to be that the stigma is significantly less than the projects.
Largely, I suspect, because the stigma is already built into their class system. How many people who went to "public schools" and uni end up living in council housing as opposed to the working class or post-Empire immigrants from non EU nations? (That's to say that, as far as I can tell, the divide between working class and middle class in Britain remains far more rigid and well defined than in the U.S.)

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New (and morbid) thing learned: for much of the 19th century, at least among speakers of British English, dentures were often called "Waterloo teeth." This is because a primary source for dentures was real teeth from other humans, preferably those who were young and healthy when they died, and a prime source for such teeth was battlefields after the fight. So many dentures were made from the mouths of those who fell at Waterloo that the term "Waterloo teeth" caught on and held on long after the supply of actual Waterloo teeth had been depleted.
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