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Re: You Learn Something New Every Day

Post by Mo » 27 Aug 2019, 05:21

The French do not allow irrigation in their vineyards, as a result, the vines get deep roots that can go down as far as 25 meters underground.
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Re: You Learn Something New Every Day

Post by Warren » 27 Aug 2019, 11:02

Mo wrote:
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The French do not allow irrigation in their vineyards, as a result, the vines get deep roots that can go down as far as 25 meters underground.
Which undoubtedly takes many years. A pretty crafty rent to established vineyards keeping competition at bay.
I am surprised to learn that there's 25 meters worth of soil for the vine roots to penetrate.
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Re: You Learn Something New Every Day

Post by JasonL » 27 Aug 2019, 11:49

It's not just soil. Vines penetrate rock and all kinds of things. The french are very particular about these strategies and them being an essential feature of french wines of a given quality. It both excludes new entrants and, if you ask them, protects the historical labeling from dilution of inferior vines.

The italians are in a constant fight to preserve quality of denominated areas in the face of a producer population who likes to cheat those rules all the time.

For better or worse I can tell you pretty much what a Chauteauneuf du Pape will be like, which vineyards produce quality, which producers are good and which are value oriented. I can't tell you squat about chianti because it is in constant quality flux and the "rules" are only occasionally followed.

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Post by Warren » 27 Aug 2019, 12:08

JasonL wrote:
27 Aug 2019, 11:49
The italians are in a constant fight to preserve quality of denominated areas in the face of a producer population who likes to cheat those rules all the time.
This is deeply ingrained in the Italian culture. Not just for wine, but every kind of business.
FWIW I've been reading that the Chinese make the Italians look like purists though.
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Post by Mo » 27 Aug 2019, 12:45

Yep and things like “exceptional”, “first growth”, “second growth”, etc ironically make it easier and less elitist for the non-connoisseurs to come in. Between appellation and a couple other things you can read off the label, you can get a decent idea of general quality and characteristics.
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Re: You Learn Something New Every Day

Post by JasonL » 27 Aug 2019, 12:57

Warren wrote:
JasonL wrote:
27 Aug 2019, 11:49
The italians are in a constant fight to preserve quality of denominated areas in the face of a producer population who likes to cheat those rules all the time.
This is deeply ingrained in the Italian culture. Not just for wine, but every kind of business.
FWIW I've been reading that the Chinese make the Italians look like purists though.
It’s a Northern Italy/Southern Italy divide in wine, culinary goods like EVO and business practices. Shit gets grim the further south you go. Piedmont is positively Teutonic compared to Sicily.

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Post by Warren » 27 Aug 2019, 13:29

I only got as far north as Florence.
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Re: You Learn Something New Every Day

Post by Mo » 28 Aug 2019, 04:37

JasonL wrote:
27 Aug 2019, 12:57
Warren wrote:
JasonL wrote:
27 Aug 2019, 11:49
The italians are in a constant fight to preserve quality of denominated areas in the face of a producer population who likes to cheat those rules all the time.
This is deeply ingrained in the Italian culture. Not just for wine, but every kind of business.
FWIW I've been reading that the Chinese make the Italians look like purists though.
It’s a Northern Italy/Southern Italy divide in wine, culinary goods like EVO and business practices. Shit gets grim the further south you go. Piedmont is positively Teutonic compared to Sicily.
There's a northern/southern Italian divide in basically everything.
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Post by Warren » 28 Aug 2019, 10:20

Mo wrote:
28 Aug 2019, 04:37
JasonL wrote:
27 Aug 2019, 12:57
Warren wrote:
JasonL wrote:
27 Aug 2019, 11:49
The italians are in a constant fight to preserve quality of denominated areas in the face of a producer population who likes to cheat those rules all the time.
This is deeply ingrained in the Italian culture. Not just for wine, but every kind of business.
FWIW I've been reading that the Chinese make the Italians look like purists though.
It’s a Northern Italy/Southern Italy divide in wine, culinary goods like EVO and business practices. Shit gets grim the further south you go. Piedmont is positively Teutonic compared to Sicily.
There's a northern/southern Italian divide in basically everything.
Interesting. Are you saying northern Italy is an entirely different country/culture than southern Italy? Or are you suggesting you can apply a northern/southern Italy template to just about anything, ala "There are two kinds of people..."
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Post by Mo » 28 Aug 2019, 10:46

Warren wrote:
28 Aug 2019, 10:20
Mo wrote:
28 Aug 2019, 04:37
JasonL wrote:
27 Aug 2019, 12:57
Warren wrote:
JasonL wrote:
27 Aug 2019, 11:49
The italians are in a constant fight to preserve quality of denominated areas in the face of a producer population who likes to cheat those rules all the time.
This is deeply ingrained in the Italian culture. Not just for wine, but every kind of business.
FWIW I've been reading that the Chinese make the Italians look like purists though.
It’s a Northern Italy/Southern Italy divide in wine, culinary goods like EVO and business practices. Shit gets grim the further south you go. Piedmont is positively Teutonic compared to Sicily.
There's a northern/southern Italian divide in basically everything.
Interesting. Are you saying northern Italy is an entirely different country/culture than southern Italy? Or are you suggesting you can apply a northern/southern Italy template to just about anything, ala "There are two kinds of people..."
The former. Northern Italy has the per capita GDP of France, Southern Italy has the per capita GDP of Greece. The North has high productivity and solid institutions, the South has higher organized crime and corruption.
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Re: You Learn Something New Every Day

Post by JasonL » 28 Aug 2019, 11:08

Yup. If you are a business and you are like "we have a new supplier for Necessary Widget in Italy", that story increases in risk for quality and delivery the further south you go.

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Re: You Learn Something New Every Day

Post by Dangerman » 28 Aug 2019, 12:01

Either Marketplace/Planet Money or Freakonomics did a good story on the North/South divide in Italy.

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Re: You Learn Something New Every Day

Post by Mo » 28 Aug 2019, 12:32

JasonL wrote:
28 Aug 2019, 11:08
Yup. If you are a business and you are like "we have a new supplier for Necessary Widget in Italy", that story increases in risk for quality and delivery the further south you go.
HQ in Turin or Milan, you can feel pretty good. HQ in Naples or Palermo, good luck. HQ in Rome, roll of the dice.
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Re: You Learn Something New Every Day

Post by JD » 01 Sep 2019, 12:38

In WWI, the British Army's height requirement was 5'3". But there were enough healthy but shorter men that they ended up forming "bantam battalions", where the men were between 4'10" and 5'3".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bantam_(military)
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Re: You Learn Something New Every Day

Post by Painboy » 01 Sep 2019, 14:31

JD wrote:
01 Sep 2019, 12:38
In WWI, the British Army's height requirement was 5'3". But there were enough healthy but shorter men that they ended up forming "bantam battalions", where the men were between 4'10" and 5'3".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bantam_(military)
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Re: You Learn Something New Every Day

Post by Eric the .5b » 01 Sep 2019, 16:44

JD wrote:
01 Sep 2019, 12:38
In WWI, the British Army's height requirement was 5'3". But there were enough healthy but shorter men that they ended up forming "bantam battalions", where the men were between 4'10" and 5'3".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bantam_(military)
Apparently, they agreed that short people had no reason to live.
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Re: You Learn Something New Every Day

Post by D.A. Ridgely » 01 Sep 2019, 17:44

Eric the .5b wrote:
01 Sep 2019, 16:44
JD wrote:
01 Sep 2019, 12:38
In WWI, the British Army's height requirement was 5'3". But there were enough healthy but shorter men that they ended up forming "bantam battalions", where the men were between 4'10" and 5'3".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bantam_(military)
Apparently, they agreed that short people had no reason to live.
Or realized that short people had a better chance of surviving trench warfare.

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Re: You Learn Something New Every Day

Post by JD » 07 Sep 2019, 09:10

One of the many fights over succession in medieval Europe was caused by, basically, a boating accident that happened because people had been drinking, reinforcing my beliefs that most royal families are less Camelot than they are the Hatfields and McCoys.
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Post by Warren » Yesterday, 14:57

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Post by Jennifer » Yesterday, 16:32

Seen via Facebook: when the teddy bear fad started over 100 years ago, there was a moral panic over fear that having a teddy bear rather than a human-baby doll would destroy little girls' maternal instincts.
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Post by Warren » Yesterday, 20:03

Jennifer wrote:
Yesterday, 16:32
Seen via Facebook: when the teddy bear fad started over 100 years ago, there was a moral panic over fear that having a teddy bear rather than a human-baby doll would destroy little girls' maternal instincts.
Hasn't it?
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