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Eric the .5b wrote:
18 Dec 2019, 22:44
I could go for a multi-year holiday from hearing hot takes about how every movie will fit or not fit the current political zeitgeist.
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Hugh Akston wrote:
18 Dec 2019, 22:42
Jadagul wrote:
18 Dec 2019, 22:16
I wish people would put off sharing their opinions and postmortems on films at least until the films actually come out and the people have seen them.
Star Wars?

Yes.

Like, I've seen a bunch of pieces about what the fact that this movie is bad says about society.

No one has seen the fucking movie! How do you know if it's good?

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Critics have seen it. Are they the ones making pronouncements about society or just some internet randos with ideological axes to grind going off the critics reviews?
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Hugh Akston wrote:
19 Dec 2019, 00:41
Critics have seen it. Are they the ones making pronouncements about society or just some internet randos with ideological axes to grind going off the critics reviews?
Well, the tweet that prompted that post was "You know how you're upset about the way they ruined the Star Wars movie in response to a bunch of fans whining?"

And like, no, I don't know that, because I haven't seen the fucking movie. And neither have the overwhelming majority of people in the tweet audience.

I'm okay with critics saying it's bad and then writing about why. I'm really skeptical of pieces premised on either the idea that everyone knows it's bad, or everyone dislikes it. Partly for the usual reasons, but also because everyone hasn't seen it and so doesn't have an opinion based on the actual film, you fucker!.

Like, my twitter timeline seems to be trying to establish a popular consensus that the movie sucks before it actually opens in theaters.

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Jadagul wrote:
19 Dec 2019, 00:53
Hugh Akston wrote:
19 Dec 2019, 00:41
Critics have seen it. Are they the ones making pronouncements about society or just some internet randos with ideological axes to grind going off the critics reviews?
Well, the tweet that prompted that post was "You know how you're upset about the way they ruined the Star Wars movie in response to a bunch of fans whining?"

And like, no, I don't know that, because I haven't seen the fucking movie. And neither have the overwhelming majority of people in the tweet audience.

I'm okay with critics saying it's bad and then writing about why. I'm really skeptical of pieces premised on either the idea that everyone knows it's bad, or everyone dislikes it. Partly for the usual reasons, but also because everyone hasn't seen it and so doesn't have an opinion based on the actual film, you fucker!.

Like, my twitter timeline seems to be trying to establish a popular consensus that the movie sucks before it actually opens in theaters.
Very good Jadagul. That almost sounds like it was written by an actual human being with like emotions and thoughts.
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Jadagul wrote:
19 Dec 2019, 00:53
Hugh Akston wrote:
19 Dec 2019, 00:41
Critics have seen it. Are they the ones making pronouncements about society or just some internet randos with ideological axes to grind going off the critics reviews?
Well, the tweet that prompted that post was "You know how you're upset about the way they ruined the Star Wars movie in response to a bunch of fans whining?"

And like, no, I don't know that, because I haven't seen the fucking movie. And neither have the overwhelming majority of people in the tweet audience.

I'm okay with critics saying it's bad and then writing about why. I'm really skeptical of pieces premised on either the idea that everyone knows it's bad, or everyone dislikes it. Partly for the usual reasons, but also because everyone hasn't seen it and so doesn't have an opinion based on the actual film, you fucker!.

Like, my twitter timeline seems to be trying to establish a popular consensus that the movie sucks before it actually opens in theaters.
Yeah I'll agree with all of that. There was a similar effort prior to the release of Joker, which got no-kidding standing ovations at Cannes, but as it got closer to a wide release date, critics turned on it as a glorification of aggrieved white men and law enforcement characterized it as a call to arms for incels. But when it actually came out it turned out to be a big nothingburger. So the critical consensus now is that it is a terrible, derivative movie that pushes a toxic agenda, and critics seem to think that their consensus is our consensus, even though it has a very solid audience rating on IMDb.
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Hugh Akston wrote:
19 Dec 2019, 11:22
Jadagul wrote:
19 Dec 2019, 00:53
Hugh Akston wrote:
19 Dec 2019, 00:41
Critics have seen it. Are they the ones making pronouncements about society or just some internet randos with ideological axes to grind going off the critics reviews?
Well, the tweet that prompted that post was "You know how you're upset about the way they ruined the Star Wars movie in response to a bunch of fans whining?"

And like, no, I don't know that, because I haven't seen the fucking movie. And neither have the overwhelming majority of people in the tweet audience.

I'm okay with critics saying it's bad and then writing about why. I'm really skeptical of pieces premised on either the idea that everyone knows it's bad, or everyone dislikes it. Partly for the usual reasons, but also because everyone hasn't seen it and so doesn't have an opinion based on the actual film, you fucker!.

Like, my twitter timeline seems to be trying to establish a popular consensus that the movie sucks before it actually opens in theaters.
Yeah I'll agree with all of that. There was a similar effort prior to the release of Joker, which got no-kidding standing ovations at Cannes, but as it got closer to a wide release date, critics turned on it as a glorification of aggrieved white men and law enforcement characterized it as a call to arms for incels. But when it actually came out it turned out to be a big nothingburger. So the critical consensus now is that it is a terrible, derivative movie that pushes a toxic agenda, and critics seem to think that their consensus is our consensus, even though it has a very solid audience rating on IMDb.
I don't put much stock in IMDB scores. Over on Rotten Tomatoes, the critics rate it "fresh" but noticeably less fresh than the audience. While the "top critics" rate it "rotten". All of which likewise supports your thesis.
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That would be the same Rotten Tomatoes that at first scored the Chappelle special 0 while the audience reaction was 98%?

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D.A. Ridgely wrote:
19 Dec 2019, 12:34
That would be the same Rotten Tomatoes that at first scored the Chappelle special 0 while the audience reaction was 98%?
Ayup. 35/99 as of this posting.
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Is the Rotten Ratio a thing we can use like the Big Mac Index to monitor cultural segmentation in real time?

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JasonL wrote:
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Is the Rotten Ratio a thing we can use like the Big Mac Index to monitor cultural segmentation in real time?
Well now that we have identified it as such, it will likely cease to function.
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Warren wrote:
18 Dec 2019, 23:38
Eric the .5b wrote:
18 Dec 2019, 22:44
I could go for a multi-year holiday from hearing hot takes about how every movie will fit or not fit the current political zeitgeist.
That's worth spending a wish on.
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Based on the reviews that I’ve seen so far of Cats, I want to start a collection for dhex to go see it and write his review on the gryll.
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Mo wrote:
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Based on the reviews that I’ve seen so far of Cats, I want to start a collection for dhex to go see it and write his review on the gryll.
I would contribute to that fund.
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Andrew wrote:
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Mo wrote:
24 Dec 2019, 15:22
Based on the reviews that I’ve seen so far of Cats, I want to start a collection for dhex to go see it and write his review on the gryll.
I would contribute to that fund.
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Are we going to be able to afford the all drugs he's going to need?
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Are we going to be able to afford the all drugs he's going to need?
He said as if dhex wasn't fully stocked already
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That's all well and good, but who's going to pay for the translator?

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Not sure whether 1917 is one of those every war movie is an anti-war movie war movies, or an every war movie is a pro-war movie war movies, but it was pretty good. I've seen some reviews arguing that the single-take conceit detracts by turning the horrors of war into a ride, but I thought it did a good job of narrowing the focus to the perspective of the individual characters.
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Salon gonna Salon
“1917” is a movie that perfectly fits President Donald Trump’s agenda, even if the filmmakers did not intend for that.
Strap in.
Since all of the major parties in World War I were nationalist, a movie like "1917" must acknowledge the inherent ambiguity of the conflict. Even if we are only being told a microcosmic story about two soldiers trying to survive a dangerous mission, we should still understand the larger tapestry in which those characters are mere threads. To do otherwise is to make war seem impersonal, like a natural disaster or a plague, rather than as an affliction caused by human beings — and for which people should be held accountable.
Part of the reason to use the one-shot structural conceit is to decontextualize the action from the larger tapestry.

I've never served in the military, and obviously this guy hasn't either. But one of the things I hear most consistently from people who have is that when you're out there, it's not about the country or the fight or even the mission, it's about the other guys in your unit; which is exactly what 1917 was about.

Also, when you've been conscripted into being a soldier, war is exactly an impersonal natural disaster. Also lol holding warmongers accountable.
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What's vexing about some of the discourse surounding this movie is that WW1 was the most elite leveling & decapitating thing in Europe since the Black Death.
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Kolohe wrote:
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What's vexing about some of the discourse surounding this movie is that WW1 was the most elite leveling & decapitating thing in Europe since the Black Death.
How so?
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1) the absolutely highest casualty rates were the 20 something year old junior officers commissioned out of the landed gentry.
2) 3 longstanding autocratic empires completely collapsed, and a 4th autocratic relatively new empire/nation-state also had its government system replaced.
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Kolohe wrote:
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1) the absolutely highest casualty rates were the 20 something year old junior officers commissioned out of the landed gentry.
2) 3 longstanding autocratic empires completely collapsed, and a 4th autocratic relatively new empire/nation-state also had its government system replaced.
Also, the 'Great War' largely de-legitimized the establishments of the 'victorious' French, English and Italian nations.
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And the British Dominions (i.e. the whiter parts of the Empire) got even greater autonomy/independence in the wake of WWI, further weakening an imperial system.
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