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Re: Our National Pastime

Post by Jason » 30 Oct 2017, 17:00

Andrew wrote:
30 Oct 2017, 11:33
I checked the game last night and saw LA was up 3-0 in the second and Kershaw was going to be pitching. I was certainly surprised this morning.
At least you didn't wake up to the game still being played!
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Re: Our National Pastime

Post by Mo » 31 Oct 2017, 23:44

I have a flight scheduled during game 7 tomorrow. I may have to "miss my flight" and watch in St. Louis.
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Post by Mo » 11 Sep 2018, 08:44

The Federalist actually had a good take.

http://thefederalist.com/2018/09/10/go- ... -baseball/
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Re: Our National Pastime

Post by Highway » 11 Sep 2018, 09:35

That's a phenomenon I think we've seen in multiple sports: the pros have just outgrown the field of play. I think the same applies to basketball, and it happened a long time ago in men's tennis. NFL might be getting there too. The players are too big, too fast, and too strong, and the lack of available space, and a field that challenges the players, crowds out different play styles.
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Re: Our National Pastime

Post by Mo » 11 Sep 2018, 09:50

Highway wrote:
11 Sep 2018, 09:35
That's a phenomenon I think we've seen in multiple sports: the pros have just outgrown the field of play. I think the same applies to basketball, and it happened a long time ago in men's tennis. NFL might be getting there too. The players are too big, too fast, and too strong, and the lack of available space, and a field that challenges the players, crowds out different play styles.
I agree. I think a 20% increase in playing field dimensions would do a lot of good in most sports. Unsure if needed as much in the NFL.
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Re: Our National Pastime

Post by lunchstealer » 11 Sep 2018, 16:46

Would they add any footage to the diamond itself? go from 90' to 100' or anything? I did glaze over and skip to the end toward the end.

Do hockey and basketball need bigger courts/rinks, irrespectively*?

*I'm just going to use this in place of respectively because I got the respective order wrong and this seemed like a better solution than just switching to rinks/courts so they were actually respective.
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Re: Our National Pastime

Post by Highway » 11 Sep 2018, 17:18

lunchstealer wrote:
11 Sep 2018, 16:46
Would they add any footage to the diamond itself? go from 90' to 100' or anything? I did glaze over and skip to the end toward the end.

Do hockey and basketball need bigger courts/rinks, irrespectively*?

*I'm just going to use this in place of respectively because I got the respective order wrong and this seemed like a better solution than just switching to rinks/courts so they were actually respective.
I think that guy's idea was just make the outfield bigger, which it could be, significantly, without even changing the rules. As the article points out, most ballparks use as close to the minimum field dimensions as they can, and probably not just for "our guys will hit more homers" reasons. If you're putting a baseball stadium on a property, you want to cram as much revenue as you can in it, and the field's not generating revenue out there, the seats are. I'd want to see the whole thing get bigger. 105 feet from base to base. Pitcher's mound is 75 feet.

I would say yes, hockey and basketball, at the pro level, need bigger rinks and courts, and the rim in basketball needs to be higher. And it's a scale up: The 3pt line moves farther out. The FT line moves farther out. The lane gets bigger. Tennis courts get bigger.

This does bring up the question of "is this only a pro thing?" Do casual players play on old courts? Do women pro leagues play on old courts? Do kids play on old courts? Is it age based progression? Or is it just when you get to the "big stage", now you're on the bigger court.
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Re: Our National Pastime

Post by Mo » 11 Sep 2018, 17:33

It’s almost assuredly for the more home runs reason. With all the non-revenue generating decorative crap that sits around in a modern ballpark, it’s clear that it’s a way to game the system. Also, NL teams, which is a more pitching focused league, tends to have more foul territory than AL teams. Foul territory favors pitchers over hitters.
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Re: Our National Pastime

Post by JD » 12 Sep 2018, 10:44

Mo wrote:
11 Sep 2018, 09:50
I agree. I think a 20% increase in playing field dimensions would do a lot of good in most sports. Unsure if needed as much in the NFL.
Except soccer, where they should probably shrink the field 20%.
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Re: Our National Pastime

Post by Mo » 12 Sep 2018, 10:53

JD wrote:
12 Sep 2018, 10:44
Mo wrote:
11 Sep 2018, 09:50
I agree. I think a 20% increase in playing field dimensions would do a lot of good in most sports. Unsure if needed as much in the NFL.
Except soccer, where they should probably shrink the field 20%.
Increasing everything by 20% would leave more open space and therefore provide more scoring opportunities as defenses can't clog as much of the field.
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Re: Our National Pastime

Post by Warren » 12 Sep 2018, 11:10

Mo wrote:
12 Sep 2018, 10:53
JD wrote:
12 Sep 2018, 10:44
Mo wrote:
11 Sep 2018, 09:50
I agree. I think a 20% increase in playing field dimensions would do a lot of good in most sports. Unsure if needed as much in the NFL.
Except soccer, where they should probably shrink the field 20%.
Increasing everything by 20% would leave more open space and therefore provide more scoring opportunities as defenses can't clog as much of the field.
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Re: Our National Pastime

Post by Highway » 12 Sep 2018, 11:24

Indoor soccer is also not a top tier sport, attracting elite athletes. Put the best soccer players in there, and it would get to the same all-or-nothing, power kind of play that we see from the top tier leagues.

I don't really think that soccer is quite to that kind of point, especially because they for the most part relatively recently increased the pitch size to play on international size pitches. But we have seen where better athletes can throw the ball in from the sideline for an aerial set play in recent years, and if trends like that increase, that's an argument for increasing the field size.
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Post by Mo » 12 Sep 2018, 12:03

Also, indoor soccer has half as many players. So spacing issues are different.

But yeah, comparing indoor soccer to EPL or La Liga is like comparing Arena League to the NFL.
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Re: Our National Pastime

Post by Jake » 15 Sep 2018, 05:48

Mo wrote:
12 Sep 2018, 10:53
JD wrote:
12 Sep 2018, 10:44
Mo wrote:
11 Sep 2018, 09:50
I agree. I think a 20% increase in playing field dimensions would do a lot of good in most sports. Unsure if needed as much in the NFL.
Except soccer, where they should probably shrink the field 20%.
Increasing everything by 20% would leave more open space and therefore provide more scoring opportunities as defenses can't clog as much of the field.
The field should be about 16 square miles in area. Then a big part of the game could be the process of finding the ball, then dribbling it cross-country to the goal before anyone else discovers where you are and that you have the ball.
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Re: Our National Pastime

Post by D.A. Ridgely » 09 Oct 2019, 23:56

Helluva Game 5 in L.A., no matter who wins!

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Re: Our National Pastime

Post by D.A. Ridgely » 10 Oct 2019, 01:04

D.A. Ridgely wrote:
09 Oct 2019, 23:56
Helluva Game 5 in L.A., no matter who wins!
And a helluva victory for the Nationals! What a great game!

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Re: Our National Pastime

Post by Eric the .5b » 10 Oct 2019, 01:18

Jake wrote:
15 Sep 2018, 05:48
Mo wrote:
12 Sep 2018, 10:53
JD wrote:
12 Sep 2018, 10:44
Mo wrote:
11 Sep 2018, 09:50
I agree. I think a 20% increase in playing field dimensions would do a lot of good in most sports. Unsure if needed as much in the NFL.
Except soccer, where they should probably shrink the field 20%.
Increasing everything by 20% would leave more open space and therefore provide more scoring opportunities as defenses can't clog as much of the field.
The field should be about 16 square miles in area. Then a big part of the game could be the process of finding the ball, then dribbling it cross-country to the goal before anyone else discovers where you are and that you have the ball.
Well, there's the claim that the antecedent of soccer boiled down to "one team on one side of the village, one team on the other, play through buildings totally allowed".
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Re: Our National Pastime

Post by D.A. Ridgely » 17 Oct 2019, 16:01

People who never watch Washington Nationals games, i.e., most people probably don't know that one of their routine time-fillers is a human bobble-head presidents' race in the middle of the 4th inning. They get a bobble-head Washington, Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, etc. to run down the First Base line to the Plate to win. Part of the, um, running gag is that Teddy almost never wins and occasionally "Screech the Bald Eagle" team mascot interferes with or wins the race.

I would love to see them run a Dem Candidates bobble-head race during the Series. Sanders could keel over just before winning, O'Rourke could flail around in every direction, Steyer could strew the track with his own money, Williamson could "float" down the field on a cloud and Biden could run backwards and still win. Fun for the whole family!

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Re: Our National Pastime

Post by Jake » 17 Oct 2019, 17:01

D.A. Ridgely wrote:
17 Oct 2019, 16:01
human bobble-head presidents
I "met" those... things last year at the National League of Cities conference in DC. They are no less disturbing-looking up close.
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Re: Our National Pastime

Post by D.A. Ridgely » 17 Oct 2019, 17:27

Jake wrote:
17 Oct 2019, 17:01
D.A. Ridgely wrote:
17 Oct 2019, 16:01
human bobble-head presidents
I "met" those... things last year at the National League of Cities conference in DC. They are no less disturbing-looking up close.
Disturbing looking? Come on! Wouldn't you prefer an entire Congress that actually looked that way? I know I would!

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Re: Our National Pastime

Post by Warren » 17 Oct 2019, 19:16

D.A. Ridgely wrote:
17 Oct 2019, 17:27
Jake wrote:
17 Oct 2019, 17:01
D.A. Ridgely wrote:
17 Oct 2019, 16:01
human bobble-head presidents
I "met" those... things last year at the National League of Cities conference in DC. They are no less disturbing-looking up close.
Disturbing looking? Come on! Wouldn't you prefer an entire Congress that actually looked that way? I know I would!
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Re: Our National Pastime

Post by Andrew » 17 Oct 2019, 21:29

The game was on at the barber shop and I was reminded how much I enjoy baseball. Perhaps that's related to almost never watching (difficult with no TV and not being much of a sports bar person), but it's so much better to watch than the other major sports.
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Re: Our National Pastime

Post by Warren » 17 Oct 2019, 21:32

Andrew wrote:
17 Oct 2019, 21:29
The game was on at the barber shop and I was reminded how much I enjoy baseball. Perhaps that's related to almost never watching (difficult with no TV and not being much of a sports bar person), but it's so much better to watch than the other major sports.
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Re: Our National Pastime

Post by Tuco » 18 Oct 2019, 06:31

D.A. Ridgely wrote:
17 Oct 2019, 17:27
Jake wrote:
17 Oct 2019, 17:01
D.A. Ridgely wrote:
17 Oct 2019, 16:01
human bobble-head presidents
I "met" those... things last year at the National League of Cities conference in DC. They are no less disturbing-looking up close.
Disturbing looking? Come on! Wouldn't you prefer an entire Congress that actually looked that way? I know I would!
Goddamn right, I would.

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Re: Our National Pastime

Post by Kolohe » 31 Oct 2019, 00:34

Hey, how about them Nats?
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