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Also, it's the old "Freedom From" versus "Freedom To" pitch, which was very popular among actual socialists back in the 70s and before.

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thoreau wrote:
27 Feb 2020, 10:53
I dunno, there are some valid points in there. We drastically overstate our own freedoms relative to other rich democracies.
Yeah, but when it basically starts off with "Americans are obviously the stupidest people on earth" and fails to cite any sources for anything it kind of poisons the rest of the argument. There are some interesting points, but it does not seem like the author is coming from a disinterested or intellectually honest place.

At the very least it might be useful to note that there are different definitions of "freedom"; the author says that residents of social democracies* are more free because they're not at risk of starving, of going bankrupt, having a medical crisis, etc. But by that definition, someone in prison is more free (libre) than anyone else, since they have guaranteed free (gratis) food, housing, and medical care, and someone who was alone on their planet, who clearly could not be other than free politically, is less free than anyone else.

* incidentally, I have always felt this to be a really stupid term
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I hate it when the "I'm smart, you are dumb" post boils down to "dumb people tolerate variance and smart people are risk averse". It is a very common set of arguments. Our dumb people are no dumber than anyone else's dumb people. Populism happens everywhere. National narratives that don't make sense emerge everywhere. Leftist narratives are every bit as stupid under the microscope and it is unobvious that unemployment near 12% high protectionist barriers, high price levels, and lots of social services at the expense of lower real wages for most people fewer goods on shelves and so forth is an obvious tradeoff.

What is true is that people of the left really believe this - that everyone is voting against their own interest by not adopting that set of tradeoffs. They do not and cannot accept that people might see it differently and so they post things like this.

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JasonL wrote:
27 Feb 2020, 12:08
I hate it when the "I'm smart, you are dumb" post boils down to "dumb people tolerate variance and smart people are risk averse". It is a very common set of arguments. Our dumb people are no dumber than anyone else's dumb people. Populism happens everywhere. National narratives that don't make sense emerge everywhere. Leftist narratives are every bit as stupid under the microscope and it is unobvious that unemployment near 12% high protectionist barriers, high price levels, and lots of social services at the expense of lower real wages for most people fewer goods on shelves and so forth is an obvious tradeoff.

What is true is that people of the left really believe this - that everyone is voting against their own interest by not adopting that set of tradeoffs. They do not and cannot accept that people might see it differently and so they post things like this.
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D.A. Ridgely wrote:
27 Feb 2020, 11:06
Also, it's the old "Freedom From" versus "Freedom To" pitch, which was very popular among actual socialists back in the 70s and before.
Which, every thing they listed wasn't 'freedom' but 'security' which is a different thing. Security can make you feel free, and in some cases give you the freedom to do other things not related to the security, but 'freedom from' should IMO be translated as 'security from'.
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Jadagul wrote:
06 Oct 2010, 17:55
I sometimes see people preface a tweet with (1/2) if it's just barely too long.

Of course, I once saw Reihan Salaam preface a tweet with (1/6) which is really a sign you should just post on your blog.
I felt the need to repost this and just shake my head at the Twitter world.
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Eric the .5b wrote:
27 Feb 2020, 20:23
Jadagul wrote:
06 Oct 2010, 17:55
I sometimes see people preface a tweet with (1/2) if it's just barely too long.

Of course, I once saw Reihan Salaam preface a tweet with (1/6) which is really a sign you should just post on your blog.
I felt the need to repost this and just shake my head at the Twitter world.

Yeah, I think I re-saw that post of mine a few months ago and I laughed.

(And that was before they doubled the character count.)

But I did really enjoy that 2600-tweet-long thread livetweeting a watching of Avatar: the Last Airbender I read a few weeks ago.

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Self-own via misplaced modifier

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Can someone enrage Warren and explain the joke?
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B was using “middle-aged white man” as slur against A, but because he said, “As a middle-aged white man, I...” B ended up actually using the slur against himself.
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nicole wrote:
29 Feb 2020, 09:51
B was using “middle-aged white man” as slur against A, but because he said, “As a middle-aged white man, I...” B ended up actually using the slur against himself.
That doesn't help me. Who is A and who is B? Also I think the inciting tweet has been deleted.
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I dunno, I read it completely as an insult to Alex Livingston, who apparently said something bad and then deleted the tweet.
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Highway wrote:
29 Feb 2020, 10:46
I dunno, I read it completely as an insult to Alex Livingston, who apparently said something bad and then deleted the tweet.
Right, that’s what it does say, but the “correct” way to say that is to say, “I’m sure you, as a white man, expect...”
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Warren wrote:
29 Feb 2020, 10:43
nicole wrote:
29 Feb 2020, 09:51
B was using “middle-aged white man” as slur against A, but because he said, “As a middle-aged white man, I...” B ended up actually using the slur against himself.
That doesn't help me. Who is A and who is B? Also I think the inciting tweet has been deleted.
They’re just two random morons and the OP is totally irrelevant.

I just really hate misplaced modifiers.
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Highway wrote:
29 Feb 2020, 10:46
I dunno, I read it completely as an insult to Alex Livingston, who apparently said something bad and then deleted the tweet.
:roll:

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I feel bad for the incels who have to pay for the installation of a third butt cheek to be more Chadlike.
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Ugh. Please don't post links to stuff like that.
I find it really disturbing.
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It's pretty funny seeing covid19 panicked dipshits respond earnestly to posters like kantbot. Now if only pr0pector88 hadn't been banned ...
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He lives!

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Meh. Fine by me. I mean, it's not going to take up a lot of my time is it?
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dbcooper wrote:
12 Mar 2020, 11:30
He lives!

I had never heard of NESARA or GESARA, so I had to look those up. Wow, that's some whackadoo shit. It starts off as just regular goldbug/anti-banking crackpottery, but rapidly spins into something even crazier, what with Congress passing the law in a secret session, and then the 9/11 attacks being staged in order to prevent its implementation, and interdimensional beings and aliens trying to help us with it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NESARA
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JD wrote:
12 Mar 2020, 12:26
dbcooper wrote:
12 Mar 2020, 11:30
He lives!

I had never heard of NESARA or GESARA, so I had to look those up. Wow, that's some whackadoo shit. It starts off as just regular goldbug/anti-banking crackpottery, but rapidly spins into something even crazier, what with Congress passing the law in a secret session, and then the 9/11 attacks being staged in order to prevent its implementation, and interdimensional beings and aliens trying to help us with it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NESARA
Holy shit, that is next level crazy.
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