Kulturkampf? In my NFL? It's more likely than you think. Football 2018

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Kulturkampf? In my NFL? It's more likely than you think. Football 2018

Post by Shem » 23 May 2018, 16:00

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Post by Aresen » 23 May 2018, 16:19

Gotta respect that Red White and Blue if you want the rubes to keep paying the green.

Though I think this is a better-than-expected olive branch:
The NFL wrote:Personnel who choose not to stand for the Anthem may stay in the locker room until after the Anthem has been performed.
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Post by JasonL » 23 May 2018, 16:31

Its a grotesque policy to mollify grotesque instincts.

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Post by Mo » 23 May 2018, 17:14

Colin Kaepernick has suffered more for his subversive speech than any of the people on the "Intellectual Dark Web". I look forward to the glowing NYT profile by Bari Weiss.
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Post by Ellie » 23 May 2018, 19:14

JasonL wrote:
23 May 2018, 16:31
Its a grotesque policy to mollify grotesque instincts.
Well said.
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Post by Jennifer » 23 May 2018, 19:27

So being caught on video beating your wife or girlfriend is fine, but peacefully and silently protesting police brutality is beyond the pale. Nice to know where the NFL's priorities lie.
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Post by Warren » 23 May 2018, 19:36

Oh man. I really really want it to become a thing that you can't be black and watch pro football.
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uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
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Post by Mo » 24 May 2018, 22:32

McMegan continues to be terrible. Mushy compromise is going back to the ancient days of 2009 and keeping the players in the locker room during the national anthem or quietly pressuring their broadcast partners to not focus on the sidelines during the national anthem. I'm sure she would be cool with the NFL throwing 15 yard penalty flag every time Tim Tebow knelt in the end zone.
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Post by Painboy » 25 May 2018, 01:35

Mo wrote:
24 May 2018, 22:32
McMegan continues to be terrible. Mushy compromise is going back to the ancient days of 2009 and keeping the players in the locker room during the national anthem or quietly pressuring their broadcast partners to not focus on the sidelines during the national anthem. I'm sure she would be cool with the NFL throwing 15 yard penalty flag every time Tim Tebow knelt in the end zone.
I'm somewhat sympathetic to things the NFL has to deal with but I would never defend Goodell for any reason. He's just a terrible commissioner who is lucky his job is in an incredibly popular sport that prospers despite him.

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Post by Eric the .5b » 25 May 2018, 02:35

I'm pretty sure you can't buy assault weapons at NFL stadiums.
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Post by Warren » 25 May 2018, 08:29

Eric the .5b wrote:
25 May 2018, 02:35
I'm pretty sure you can't buy assault weapons at NFL stadiums.
You're sure? Not even MetLife or Lincoln Financial?
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Post by nicole » 25 May 2018, 09:48

McMeghan wrote:But there’s a deeper, and arguably more important, objection: A healthy society needs to foster spaces where we forget about our political divisions and unite over something else. Without those spaces, we won’t have the common reservoir of goodwill, of shared identity, from which durable political change must ultimately be forged.
Yawn. Then stop. playing. the anthem.
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Post by Mo » 25 May 2018, 10:21

nicole wrote:
25 May 2018, 09:48
McMeghan wrote:But there’s a deeper, and arguably more important, objection: A healthy society needs to foster spaces where we forget about our political divisions and unite over something else. Without those spaces, we won’t have the common reservoir of goodwill, of shared identity, from which durable political change must ultimately be forged.
Yawn. Then stop. playing. the anthem.
Thank God sports have been a safe space from politics.

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Post by Fin Fang Foom » 25 May 2018, 13:37

McArdle has never written anything good, at least that I have seen.

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Post by lunchstealer » 25 May 2018, 13:37

Yeah, that's what bugs me. It's not 'keep politics completely off the field' but rather 'we don't like your specific politics so keep that off the field but feel free to reinforce the dominant narrative.'
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Post by Mo » 25 May 2018, 13:47

And her digging in on Twitter is worse. She talks about employers preventing employees from talking religion at work, when pro athletes make religious gestures and statements before, during and after games on the telecasts.
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Post by Highway » 25 May 2018, 13:48

It cant be overstated that the people complaining about the "politicization" of the field of play do not recognize at all that the act of playing the National Anthem, then enhanced by the display of fealty, sorry, "respect" is a nakedly political display of their tribe. Like a fish doesn't recognize the water it swims in, they just don't recognize the extent that their daily existence is steeped in assumed political display.
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Post by Aresen » 25 May 2018, 14:31

Mo wrote:
25 May 2018, 13:47
And her digging in on Twitter is worse. She talks about employers preventing employees from talking religion at work, when pro athletes make religious gestures and statements before, during and after games on the telecasts.
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Post by thoreau » 25 May 2018, 15:05

To me she'll always be the person who said she was right to be wrong and the doves were wrong to be right.
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Post by Mo » 25 May 2018, 15:58

thoreau wrote:
25 May 2018, 15:05
To me she'll always be the person who said she was right to be wrong and the doves were wrong to be right.
What's that in reference to?
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Post by Fin Fang Foom » 25 May 2018, 16:10

Mo wrote:
25 May 2018, 15:58
thoreau wrote:
25 May 2018, 15:05
To me she'll always be the person who said she was right to be wrong and the doves were wrong to be right.
What's that in reference to?
The Iraq War.

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Post by Jadagul » 25 May 2018, 16:16

Fin Fang Foom wrote:
25 May 2018, 16:10
Mo wrote:
25 May 2018, 15:58
thoreau wrote:
25 May 2018, 15:05
To me she'll always be the person who said she was right to be wrong and the doves were wrong to be right.
What's that in reference to?
The Iraq War.
It's not a wrong point in general. People who expected Clinton to win were almost certainly better calibrated than people who expected Trump to win, and a one-in-five chance comes up about one time in five.

(And similarly, it's totally reasonable to take a flyer on a 10% chance when the payout is high enough).

Now, I don't think this really applies to the Iraq invasion; it probably was smarter to expect that to go badly. (I say this as someone who supported the invasion at the time, to my retrospective embarrassment; but it's also easy for me to disclaim the beliefs I had at the time, because I was sixteen and teenagers are kind of dumb). On the other hand, it's the least surprising thing in the world if someone who looked at the evidence at the time and thought it justified an invasion, looks at the evidence that was available at the time, and thinks it would be sufficient to justify an invasion.

The real reason to be skeptical of hawkishness isn't that the Iraq invasion went badly. The real reason to be skeptical is that they _keep_ being wrong.

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Post by dhex » 25 May 2018, 16:37

Mcardlebargle ugh
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Post by Ellie » 25 May 2018, 16:46

dhex wrote:
25 May 2018, 16:37
Mcardlebargle
I love this SO MUCH
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