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Re: Portable Techno-Capitalism

Post by JD » 14 Nov 2018, 12:29

My wife finally twigged to the fact that when the cell phone company says "Only $37.50/mo for 24 months!", they're still charging you $900 and is now less excited about getting a new phone. In all seriousness, doesn't it seem like the companies used to cut you big deals when you signed a contract, but now they're basically making you pay retail prices regardless?
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Re: Portable Techno-Capitalism

Post by Highway » 14 Nov 2018, 12:37

They seemed to cut you a big deal, but actually didn't because they priced their service to make up for the deal you got (with those penalties for trying to get out of your contract). I vastly prefer the current transparent pricing and a la carte phones.
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Re: Portable Techno-Capitalism

Post by Warren » 14 Nov 2018, 16:17

Earlier this year, we signed two year contract for AT&T + Direct TV bundle came with iPhone 8 for $200.

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Re: Portable Techno-Capitalism

Post by Highway » 14 Nov 2018, 16:24

It means "caught on". And there are still specials to be had, like Verizon offering a free Google Pixel 3... if you put it on a new line. The deal to open a new contract is going to be significantly better. But the old "subsidized phone" wireless deals were just shifting the price from paid up front to paid throughout the life of the contract. The amount you paid up front was, essentially, the difference between the amount they priced into the contract and the amount the phone cost. That's why cheaper phones were "free", and iPhones were like 300 dollars.
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Re: Portable Techno-Capitalism

Post by lunchstealer » 14 Nov 2018, 20:45

Highway wrote:
14 Nov 2018, 16:24
It means "caught on". And there are still specials to be had, like Verizon offering a free Google Pixel 3... if you put it on a new line. The deal to open a new contract is going to be significantly better. But the old "subsidized phone" wireless deals were just shifting the price from paid up front to paid throughout the life of the contract. The amount you paid up front was, essentially, the difference between the amount they priced into the contract and the amount the phone cost. That's why cheaper phones were "free", and iPhones were like 300 dollars.
Of course since you didn't get a price drop when your contract ran out unless you called to renegotiate, it didn't make that much sense to wait. Now unless you're dissatisfied with your phone there's not a lot of incentive not to run out the clock. So to keep the phone revenue coming in (and to keep you locked into something like a contract) they let you buy a new phone before your old one is paid off.
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Re: Portable Techno-Capitalism

Post by Highway » 14 Nov 2018, 22:23

lunchstealer wrote:
14 Nov 2018, 20:45
Highway wrote:
14 Nov 2018, 16:24
It means "caught on". And there are still specials to be had, like Verizon offering a free Google Pixel 3... if you put it on a new line. The deal to open a new contract is going to be significantly better. But the old "subsidized phone" wireless deals were just shifting the price from paid up front to paid throughout the life of the contract. The amount you paid up front was, essentially, the difference between the amount they priced into the contract and the amount the phone cost. That's why cheaper phones were "free", and iPhones were like 300 dollars.
Of course since you didn't get a price drop when your contract ran out unless you called to renegotiate, it didn't make that much sense to wait. Now unless you're dissatisfied with your phone there's not a lot of incentive not to run out the clock. So to keep the phone revenue coming in (and to keep you locked into something like a contract) they let you buy a new phone before your old one is paid off.
Actually, pretty much the worst choice is waiting until you've paid off the current phone, and then going to get another one as soon as it's paid off. You are always paying for a new phone, and you have to wait 2 years for a new phone. Generally, they'll do a trade-in for the 1/2 value that's left after a year, effectively paying off the rest of the phone. That way you get a new phone every year. The other option is to wait as long as you can with the old phone and not pay for any phone for a while. We just replaced Galaxy S6's with new phones, but that was after a year of no phone payments. There wasn't any trade-in value, but there was a year of no payments.
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Re: Portable Techno-Capitalism

Post by lunchstealer » 15 Nov 2018, 01:08

Highway wrote:
14 Nov 2018, 22:23
lunchstealer wrote:
14 Nov 2018, 20:45
Highway wrote:
14 Nov 2018, 16:24
It means "caught on". And there are still specials to be had, like Verizon offering a free Google Pixel 3... if you put it on a new line. The deal to open a new contract is going to be significantly better. But the old "subsidized phone" wireless deals were just shifting the price from paid up front to paid throughout the life of the contract. The amount you paid up front was, essentially, the difference between the amount they priced into the contract and the amount the phone cost. That's why cheaper phones were "free", and iPhones were like 300 dollars.
Of course since you didn't get a price drop when your contract ran out unless you called to renegotiate, it didn't make that much sense to wait. Now unless you're dissatisfied with your phone there's not a lot of incentive not to run out the clock. So to keep the phone revenue coming in (and to keep you locked into something like a contract) they let you buy a new phone before your old one is paid off.
Actually, pretty much the worst choice is waiting until you've paid off the current phone, and then going to get another one as soon as it's paid off. You are always paying for a new phone, and you have to wait 2 years for a new phone. Generally, they'll do a trade-in for the 1/2 value that's left after a year, effectively paying off the rest of the phone. That way you get a new phone every year. The other option is to wait as long as you can with the old phone and not pay for any phone for a while. We just replaced Galaxy S6's with new phones, but that was after a year of no phone payments. There wasn't any trade-in value, but there was a year of no payments.
Sorry yeah there's no reason not to go three years without making a phone payment since your bill automatically drops for several months at the end.
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Re: Portable Techno-Capitalism

Post by Dangerman » 20 Dec 2018, 10:56

Recommend me an android phone under a few hundred US dollars?

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Re: Portable Techno-Capitalism

Post by Pham Nuwen » 20 Dec 2018, 11:17

Dangerman wrote:
20 Dec 2018, 10:56
Recommend me an android phone under a few hundred US dollars?
No
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Re: Portable Techno-Capitalism

Post by Pham Nuwen » 20 Dec 2018, 11:20

Dangerman wrote:
20 Dec 2018, 10:56
Recommend me an android phone under a few hundred US dollars?
But sure. Galaxy grand prime is what I own. Costs about $200. Pretty damn good for what it is. Don't drop it repeatedly is my only warning*.

*i have young children that have to watch bob the train or pjmask. they just throw my phone around when it doesn't play what they want to watch. Now it resets everytime it gets set down less than gently.
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Re: Portable Techno-Capitalism

Post by lunchstealer » 20 Dec 2018, 11:25

Dangerman wrote:
20 Dec 2018, 10:56
Recommend me an android phone under a few hundred US dollars?
See if a friend's got a year-and-a-half-to-two-year-old high-end one that's eligible for upgrade? A lot of people get fed up with a phone with low battery life, but a replacement battery is often less than $100, and then the older high-end phone becomes a very solid middle-end phone for sometimes less than a cheapo phone would cost new.
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Re: Portable Techno-Capitalism

Post by nicole » 20 Dec 2018, 12:04

Highway wrote:
14 Nov 2018, 16:24
It means "caught on". And there are still specials to be had, like Verizon offering a free Google Pixel 3... if you put it on a new line. The deal to open a new contract is going to be significantly better. But the old "subsidized phone" wireless deals were just shifting the price from paid up front to paid throughout the life of the contract. The amount you paid up front was, essentially, the difference between the amount they priced into the contract and the amount the phone cost. That's why cheaper phones were "free", and iPhones were like 300 dollars.
But...my plan is also more expensive now.
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Re: Portable Techno-Capitalism

Post by Number 6 » 20 Dec 2018, 20:13

Dangerman wrote:
20 Dec 2018, 10:56
Recommend me an android phone under a few hundred US dollars?
LG Stylo 4. I paid about $250 on Amazon for mine, and am pretty happy with it so far.
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Re: Portable Techno-Capitalism

Post by Ellie » 20 Dec 2018, 20:24

Samsung Galaxy J3 Emerge. I've been super happy with mine. It's survived a lot of drops and even one toilet dunk (not two, alas, but I had insurance fortunately). The hard case for it was like $10 on Amazon.
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Re: Portable Techno-Capitalism

Post by Dangerman » 20 Dec 2018, 20:45

Thank you Pham and Ellie, and also everyone else! Those sound like a place to start with reviews.

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Re: Portable Techno-Capitalism

Post by dbcooper » 21 Dec 2018, 02:15

Dangerman wrote:
20 Dec 2018, 10:56
Recommend me an android phone under a few hundred US dollars?
How much is a OnePlus 5T going for now?
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Re: Portable Techno-Capitalism

Post by Dangerman » 21 Dec 2018, 10:36

Looks like $380 to $499. Probably a bit outside my range without rebates.

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Re: Portable Techno-Capitalism

Post by Kwix » 21 Dec 2018, 16:53

A bit early in the life cycle to see how it plays out but I just picked up an unlocked Moto G6 for <$200 at Amazon. Last season's Moto X4 has better specs for about the same price. So far on the G6 the only annoying thing I've found is that in a marginal reception scenario, with the phone held in landscape, your hands will block the antenna.
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Re: Portable Techno-Capitalism

Post by Highway » 09 Jan 2019, 11:29

Anyone have any ideas for tracking page data usage on Android chrome. I've got chrome just killing my mobile data, like 2.5 gb in a month. My first thought is that it's video ads, but don't know if it's on a particular site or couple.

Related, anyone have any suggestions for blocking ads on Android? Either through chrome or some other browser you've used.
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Re: Portable Techno-Capitalism

Post by dbcooper » 09 Jan 2019, 21:57

Highway wrote:
09 Jan 2019, 11:29
Anyone have any ideas for tracking page data usage on Android chrome. I've got chrome just killing my mobile data, like 2.5 gb in a month. My first thought is that it's video ads, but don't know if it's on a particular site or couple.

Related, anyone have any suggestions for blocking ads on Android? Either through chrome or some other browser you've used.
You can use AdGuard's DNS servers for OS level blocking without root.

https://adguard.com/en/adguard-dns/overview.html

I use magisk to root my phone, and AdFree Android to set a HOSTS file. There are other apps for setting the HOSTS entries.

Brave (from former Mozilla CTO Brandon Eich) is supposed to be good as a browser with ad blocking built in. It's based on Chromium.

Firefox's tracker blocking works pretty well to block ads. You can use uBlock Origin with it too.
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Re: Portable Techno-Capitalism

Post by Highway » 18 Jan 2019, 13:14

Brave seems to have helped a lot. Unfortunately you can't use the adguard dns over mobile data, just on wifi.

Thanks for the help!
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Re: Portable Techno-Capitalism

Post by Dangerman » 12 May 2019, 19:39

I think I need to decide between the Moto G7 and the Pixel 3a.

I don't play mobile games.

I do want to take decent photos, but I don't 'produce content'.

This phone will be immediately encased in some kind of military-grade armored case because it will be subject to being on my body while I do very physical things. It will suffer a lot of knocks and bumps, but it will be protected.

I'm buying outright, not on a plan.

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Re: Portable Techno-Capitalism

Post by Dangerman » 14 May 2019, 15:23

Update, VZN offers the Full Pixel 3 at a $300 rebate from MSRP, which makes it only about $100 more expensive (ETA: than the Pixel 3a), and also breaks it out interest-free over 2 years, which is fine for me because I expect to use their service for at least that long (since nobody else has broken into the Northern New England market in a way that provides actual coverage if I go more than 10 miles from the I-95 corridor.).

So it looks like I'm getting a flagship (? I think) phone for the first time. yay.

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Re: Portable Techno-Capitalism

Post by JD » 08 Jul 2019, 10:56

I dunno if they ended that promotion on the Pixel 3 by the time I went to get my phone, but it was 2x the price of the 3a when I went. I'm a little lukewarm on the 3a. Overall it's a good phone, I just don't think it's a great phone. It feels fast and generally of good quality. It has a headphone jack, which is a selling point for me, and the headphone jack is top-mounted, which is good.

The screen's aspect ratio is kind of weird, really long and skinny, but it's nothing you can't get used to. My main gripes are that the phone is so skinny and slick that it's harder to hold onto. Also, in their quest for "zero bezel", Google has given the edges of the screen virtually no protection at all; a blow to the edge of the phone is a blow to the edge of the glass. I think these last two factors contributed a lot to me dropping the phone and the screen shattering when I did. I am also not convinced that the Dragontrail glass is the equal of Gorilla Glass.
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Re: Portable Techno-Capitalism

Post by Dangerman » 10 Jul 2019, 13:43

I bought the otter box and a screen protector which makes the phone reasonably proportioned. I still like the Pixel but I'm not sure that I'm getting a ton of value, so I'm glad I'm not paying full price. The USB C to AUX dongle is good and works well enough that I don't miss the headphone jack.

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