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Legion's air disease is all in your head (spoilers)

Post by Kolohe » 24 Mar 2017, 12:08

I'm very surprised that I like Legion so much. It's weird that almost nothing has actually happened over the course of the past 3 episodes, and yet, still so good.

I am also amazed that the show has the courage of its convictions to keep exposition so light. (Though this past episode was "ok, if you're not fully up to speed of everything that's going on, here it is spelled out.)

Every episode is a cold open (with unique integrated title graphic design in each, which is a great touch). No episode does a 'previously on' so it rewards paying attention.

The visual effects and set design, as mentioned here already are top notch. (Though I didn't actually like the 'rescue' scene at the end of the first episode, I thought it was hokey and amateurish compared to what came before and what would come after - i.e. the bullet time scene in the boyhood home)

I wonder if they cast Dan Stevens *just* so he could do the dueling accents of this previous episode. Brilliant idea well executed, regardless.

The only thing I don't get right now is who was the guy that was stabbed in the boyhood home & catonic in the hospital (and saved the day in the silent movie)?Was he just another Legion team member from the home base? (And was he stabbed by Mutant Art Garfunkel? I don't remember) (I also don't quite get what happened to Mutant Art Garfunkel at the end, but maybe he'll be back somehow)
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Re: Legion's air disease is all in your head (spoilers)

Post by JasonL » 24 Mar 2017, 18:37

I love it. Most visually impressive and bonkers yet oddly coherent in the long view piece of work I've seen in forever. This will be very hard to sustain.

Drooling guy is the telekinetic mutant Rudy who lives with the rest of them and was the original drooling guy in Clockwork in the first episode. He was, I think "broken out" at the same time as he was flinging people all over the place (at the time I thought that was David doing that). He got stabbed in the real house but I don't quite follow what happened to him either. Nor Garfunkel.

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Post by Jasper » 07 Apr 2017, 18:08

Caught up on this over the last couple of days. It's the best thing on TV after The Expanse.
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Post by JasonL » 07 Apr 2017, 23:52

Agree.

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Post by Kolohe » 12 Apr 2017, 23:31

Am I correct that only eight episodes have aired, or did my DVR foul up?
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Post by D.A. Ridgely » 13 Apr 2017, 01:20

Kolohe wrote:Am I correct that only eight episodes have aired, or did my DVR foul up?
You are correct. The first season has only eight episodes.

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Post by Ellie » 01 May 2017, 16:41

Just finished the season on Hulu. I really loved the first part, but once the sister gets kidnapped and they're all trapped in the mental hospital (which seemed a bit long and pointless) and then there's inexplicably some sort of red light alert zombie attack mirage overlaid on the mental hospital mirage... I don't know, it kind of lost me a bit. Still great television, though.

I'm still confused who Lenny was. Obviously the monster mostly, but somehow also a real woman who died? Was she real until then and after that the monster stopped being Benny and started looking like Lenny?
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I wonder if they cast Dan Stevens *just* so he could do the dueling accents of this previous episode. Brilliant idea well executed, regardless.
That was my favorite part of the whole season.
I should have listened to Warren. He was right again as usual.

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Post by Kolohe » 04 May 2017, 23:40

My take is that the monster looks like Aubrey Plaza when the monster is more or less in full control of its interaction with its host and others, but its creepier forms leak out when it loses control and/or the host and others are under some kind of stress (either physical or mental)
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Post by Ellie » 05 May 2017, 11:27

But was Aubrey Plaza also a real person in the hospital? Sydney and whatshisname (guy who got burned) both mentioned a girl getting killed in the hospital while Syd was in David's body.
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Post by Kolohe » 05 May 2017, 11:56

You're right, I forgot about that. Thinking about it more, it's the memories in David's head that are erratic, so its sometimes Aubrey Plaza that gets palette swapped onto memories that are more or less pleasant (even if its on a drug bender), while more anxious moments cause the guy Lenny (and especially his bloated grotesque avatar) to manifest in the memory. And different sort of anxiety (or another emotion altogether) shows the monster as that fat head angry kid hitler.

I'm satisfied that I get what's been going on, even if I can't explain it.
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Post by Ellie » 05 May 2017, 12:23

That makes sense --he was falsely remembering his druggie friend Benny as Aubrey Plaza, so he could be falsely remembering hospital girl as Aubrey Plaza. Or Aubrey Plaza was the hospital girl, and the monster took her form after she died (and then overwrote the Benny memories I guess?)
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Post by Kolohe » 05 May 2017, 14:29

It's possible (I'd have to watch the first episode or two again), that, in reality, there was a woman in the mental hospital that looked like Aubrey Plaza, but Dan never actually talked to her - all the conversations in the hospital were in his head, with his monster, who was projecting itself as Aubrey Plaza
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Post by Kolohe » 05 May 2017, 14:30

(This seems like the thing that would be obvious on a rewatch, so if it's not, then that theory is likely wrong)
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Post by Ellie » 29 Jun 2017, 14:18

Apparently the guy who plays Cary is also Mr. Noodle on Elmo's World? :shock:
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Post by Kolohe » 10 May 2018, 08:15

I'm liking how they're handling this season of Legion. I was worried because the premiere episode was perhaps a bit too self indulgent, but since then they've settled down and have continued to be innovative in interesting and smart ways.

This last episode they went full Kubrick, completely unapologetically.
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Post by JasonL » 10 May 2018, 08:19

I love it.

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Post by Jasper » 10 May 2018, 12:11

I'd forgotten this started again until I saw Jason's FB post last night. Immediately watched the first two episodes.
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Post by Jasper » 10 May 2018, 21:46

All caught up. Holy Fukkin shit.
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Post by Kolohe » 06 Jun 2018, 08:33

A recurring weakness in the Golden Age of Television is the network giving a really tight limited run show a larger episode order in its sophmore season, and the showrunners not quite knowing what to do with all that extra room.
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Post by Highway » 06 Jun 2018, 10:59

Kolohe wrote:A recurring weakness in the Golden Age of Television is the network giving a really tight limited run show a larger episode order in its sophmore season, and the showrunners not quite knowing what to do with all that extra room.
Yeah, I know you don't look a gift horse in the mouth, but sometimes I wish people would just refuse if they are out of ideas, rather than flail along and ruin the whole memory.
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Post by Kolohe » 06 Jun 2018, 12:31

I think they are overall doing a fine job, but I do think they might have been able to get this all done a bit crisper and with a bit more pop in 10 episodes. (I thought they were going to 12 until they specifically said 'season finale' in the 'next time on', and I was very relieved)

I could watch Audrey Plaza dramatically walking away from a car on fire all day, but repeating that scene without even a hint of Rashomonitude (from what I could tell) means they were starting to pad things. Which is very unlike this show - sparse efficient storytelling (even with things in a repeating cycle) is one of its hallmarks
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Post by JasonL » 07 Jun 2018, 09:27

That last ep didn't strike me as much in the way of space fillness. Especially not compared to something like The Americans. I mean they drove toward the conclusion and we are about to get the conclusion of the season.

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Post by Kolohe » 07 Jun 2018, 11:02

It just seems like forever ago when we first saw Jean Smart do that heel turn and bop that guy over the head (which didn't take?)
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Post by Kolohe » 07 Jun 2018, 11:03

And where's the African American memory guy that's stored in the Matrix?
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Post by lunchstealer » 08 Jun 2018, 01:32

So I was up all night working from 9AM Wednesday to about 4:30pm today. After dinner, mrs lunch wanted to watch something new, and Legion was on the list of ‘start from the beginning’ suggestions.

It seems like the perfect show to watch when fatigue toxins are seamlessly weaving your brain between consciousness and dream states. Will have to rewatch when I’m brainsober, though.
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