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Re: Bryan Fuller is not the Star Trek showrunner

Post by Fin Fang Foom » 22 Sep 2017, 14:20

the innominate one wrote:
22 Sep 2017, 14:19
Why? Are you not entertained?
No.
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Re: Bryan Fuller is not the Star Trek showrunner

Post by Warren » 22 Sep 2017, 14:24

Fin Fang Foom wrote:
22 Sep 2017, 14:20
the innominate one wrote:
22 Sep 2017, 14:19
Why? Are you not entertained?
No.
I was.
mildly
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Re: Bryan Fuller is not the Star Trek showrunner

Post by the innominate one » 22 Sep 2017, 14:48

Fin Fang Foom wrote:
22 Sep 2017, 14:20
the innominate one wrote:
22 Sep 2017, 14:19
Why? Are you not entertained?
No.
I'm sorry to hear that.
Warren wrote:
22 Sep 2017, 14:24
Fin Fang Foom wrote:
22 Sep 2017, 14:20
the innominate one wrote:
22 Sep 2017, 14:19
Why? Are you not entertained?
No.
I was.
mildly
I'm sorry to hear that.
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Re: Bryan Fuller is not the Star Trek showrunner

Post by Jennifer » 22 Sep 2017, 16:00

Yep, the "alien sex change" episode of The Orville was just plain bad. A female is born in their species an average of once every 75 years, but is given a sex change operation right off the bat, and there's no explanation of just how the hell two males reproduce together, or what "female" even means in a context where two males can reproduce.... bleah.
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Re: Bryan Fuller is not the Star Trek showrunner

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Jennifer wrote:
22 Sep 2017, 16:00
Yep, the "alien sex change" episode of The Orville was just plain bad. A female is born in their species an average of once every 75 years, but is given a sex change operation right off the bat, and there's no explanation of just how the hell two males reproduce together, or what "female" even means in a context where two males can reproduce.... bleah.
Yeah, I only watched about 15 mins of it.
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Re: Bryan Fuller is not the Star Trek showrunner

Post by Eric the .5b » 22 Sep 2017, 19:37

Haven't seen it; don't have cable and Fox won't stream that one unless you "link a tv provider", at least not within 8 days of airing or something silly. :P
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Re: Bryan Fuller is not the Star Trek showrunner

Post by Sandy » 22 Sep 2017, 23:53

Season 1 of the Orville is so far better than season 1 of ST:TNG. Fite me.
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Re: Bryan Fuller is not the Star Trek showrunner

Post by the innominate one » 23 Sep 2017, 00:58

That may be true, but that doesn't necessarily mean it's worth watching.
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Re: Bryan Fuller is not the Star Trek showrunner

Post by the innominate one » 24 Sep 2017, 21:41

Star Trek: Discovery is online on CBS All Access.
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Re: Bryan Fuller is not the Star Trek showrunner

Post by Jennifer » 25 Sep 2017, 01:23

ST:D (heh heh heh heh heh) was pretty good but, as Jeff pointed out, there is no reason whatsoever why it needs to be a prequel If anything, it would've worked better after the previously existing series ended -- like, the Klingons disappeared after the Dominion War, everyone figured they'd been wiped out, and only now does the federation find out what happened to them....
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Re: Bryan Fuller is not the Star Trek showrunner

Post by lunchstealer » 25 Sep 2017, 02:45

#MQGA

Sooo holy shit is the CBS All Access app super shitty on Roku. Constant crashes, sometimes crashing the Roku itself. I'm not shelling out for a premium streaming service that has one show I want that I can only watch on a goddamned laptop or tablet.
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Re: Bryan Fuller is not the Star Trek showrunner

Post by the innominate one » 25 Sep 2017, 08:40

MQGA?

ST:D was ok. A bit boring, despite the attempts to spice things up with violence and Klingons. The show is called Discovery, but it's going to be another Starfleet goes to battle series? No thanks. I think I'm over Star Trek and Star Wars.

The CBS app is ok on Android using a Chromecast. Not great. Yeah, if there's only one show on the whole network you want to watch, then there's not much point in paying money for access. Looking over the CBS show offerings, I might stop paying for the service. I do like not having to watch commercials, even thought it's a few extra $$. The only show with new episodes being produced on CBS that I want to watch regularly is Elementary. I like procedurals, but they're pretty much played out and have run much longer than their producers' imaginations. There are the CBS archives, though. Twin Peaks, Perry Mason, Cheers. Sabrina the Teenage Jailbait. They also have some classic movies I'll never watch, like Alfie, Roman Holiday, Ordinary People. Clue: The Movie.
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Re: Bryan Fuller is not the Star Trek showrunner

Post by Eric the .5b » 25 Sep 2017, 18:44

Jennifer wrote:
25 Sep 2017, 01:23
ST:D (heh heh heh heh heh)
I see people using "ST:DSC" to avoid that (and keep it consistent with the other abbreviations).

Of course, a lot of forum software doesn't care about the lack of spaces and puts a " :D " in it in either version.
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Re: Bryan Fuller is not the Star Trek showrunner

Post by Jennifer » 25 Sep 2017, 18:53

I'm pretty much fed up with the idea of prequels in general. There are so many fascinating ways the Star Trek universe story could've continued after where Voyager and DS9 left off, but instead all they've been doing is prequels, and fairly boring ones at that -- if they must go over history, I'd be far more interested in such things as "So, how the hell did the Borg get started anyway?" rather than "How did Kirk and Spock first meet?" and "What was Kirk like as a kid?" and "What was the Federation like before Kirk's era" and whatnot.
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Re: Bryan Fuller is not the Star Trek showrunner

Post by Fin Fang Foom » 25 Sep 2017, 18:59

Yeah, beyond First Contact, there's little fertile ground in"prequel" stories.
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Re: Bryan Fuller is not the Star Trek showrunner

Post by Warren » 25 Sep 2017, 19:55

Fin Fang Foom wrote:
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Yeah, beyond First Contact, there's little fertile ground in"prequel" stories.
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Re: Bryan Fuller is not the Star Trek showrunner

Post by lunchstealer » 30 Sep 2017, 16:58

Whoa. Klyden = Cutty.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0170968/?ref_=tt_cl_t9

(and Tyreese and Frederick Johnson)
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Re: Bryan Fuller is not the Star Trek showrunner

Post by lunchstealer » 30 Sep 2017, 17:10

BTW, does anyone else want to see Cdr. Grayson start sitting down by stepping over the back of every chair?
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Re: Bryan Fuller is not the Star Trek showrunner

Post by Sandy » 30 Sep 2017, 17:22

lunchstealer wrote:Whoa. Klyden = Cutty.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0170968/?ref_=tt_cl_t9

(and Tyreese and Frederick Johnson)
I think you mean he's The Butcher of Anderton Station.
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Re: Bryan Fuller is not the Star Trek showrunner

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Re: Bryan Fuller is not the Star Trek showrunner

Post by dbcooper » 30 Sep 2017, 23:33

Having watched the RLM review, this is what I think happened:

The producers/execs realised that the pilot scripts they had, and the season outline, were almost completely focussed on the main character. The main character is poorly developed and unappealing (autistic, unsympathetic, uninteresting), and the actress is mediocre. They also had no male human characters, and no eye-candy - low audience appeal.

So, they've got a turkey on their hands, but it's too late to start from scratch, and too much has been made of the "groundbreaking" lead. They need to find a way to change the lead character's behaviour, and introduce a human male co-lead to take over. Hence we have the dumb mutiny, the subsequent life sentence in prison, and the pilot being a prequel to the real pilot (ep 3 or 4). The lead has to rebuild herself under the direction of an English male actor (good for hamming it up), among a new cast. Now they need their Jeri Ryan. Hopefully by the end of the first season the "Michael" character will be about 3rd in importance.
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Re: Bryan Fuller is not the Star Trek showrunner

Post by the innominate one » 30 Sep 2017, 23:50

Is it bad if I liked the Michael character, except her name?
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Re: Bryan Fuller is not the Star Trek showrunner

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the innominate one wrote:
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Is it bad if I liked the Michael character, except her name?
Disagreeing with me is always bad.
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Re: Bryan Fuller is not the Star Trek showrunner

Post by Sandy » 01 Oct 2017, 12:16

the innominate one wrote:Is it bad if I liked the Michael character, except her name?
Weird. I saw nothing likable in any of the reviews, but I didn't watch it and won't until it comes out on blu-ray or Netflix. What did you find appealing?
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Re: Bryan Fuller is not the Star Trek showrunner

Post by the innominate one » 01 Oct 2017, 12:46

She's not unattractive. She gave the impression of competence and intelligence. Her judgement about the Klingons was correct. She used logic to persuade the computer to release her from custody.

Overriding or ignoring commands from a superior officer in the interest of the greater good was something Kirk did regularly. He stole the Enterprise, broke McCoy out of custody and violated a no-fly zone. Then he blew up the Enterprise. And that was just in one movie.
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