Star Trek Wankery

Music, books, movies, TV, games, hobbies, food, and potent potables. And forum games! Pour a drink, put on your smoking jacket, light a pipe (of whatever), and settle in.
User avatar
Warren
Posts: 30206
Joined: 26 Apr 2010, 17:03
Location: Goat Rope MO
Contact:

Re: Star Trek Wankery

Post by Warren »

Hugh Akston wrote: 16 Oct 2020, 13:28 I'm cautiously optimistic about season 3 of Disco. "
Ha ha ha Good one.

What really?
We need to rebuild the Federation" feels like a relevant story for the moment.
Sure, why not?
The unearned emotional stakes are still there, but that's a symptom of the larger GAoTV 10-episode-season model.
GAoTV? It's certainly not an artifact of the 10 episodes every year and a half model. Plenty of great shows have used that model without resorting to unearned emotional stakes.
Nobody, men included, wants a world where men treat women with the same respect they show to other men. - thoreau
User avatar
Hugh Akston
Posts: 19743
Joined: 05 May 2010, 15:51
Location: Elev. 5280 ft

Re: Star Trek Wankery

Post by Hugh Akston »

Warren wrote: 16 Oct 2020, 16:51
The unearned emotional stakes are still there, but that's a symptom of the larger GAoTV 10-episode-season model.
GAoTV? It's certainly not an artifact of the 10 episodes every year and a half model. Plenty of great shows have used that model without resorting to unearned emotional stakes.
Sure, but the heart of Star Trek has always been its little character/relationship moments. There's a lot less room for those in 10 episodes than in 24. I don't know that I've seen a 10-episode-season drama that has managed to really develop the characters in an ensemble cast.
"Is a Lulztopia the best we can hope for?!?" ~Taktix®
"Somali pirates are beholden to their hostages in a way that the USG is not." ~Dangerman
User avatar
lunchstealer
Posts: 19072
Joined: 26 Apr 2010, 17:25
Location: The Local Fluff in the Local Bubble

Re: Star Trek Wankery

Post by lunchstealer »

Hugh Akston wrote: 16 Oct 2020, 17:10
Warren wrote: 16 Oct 2020, 16:51
The unearned emotional stakes are still there, but that's a symptom of the larger GAoTV 10-episode-season model.
GAoTV? It's certainly not an artifact of the 10 episodes every year and a half model. Plenty of great shows have used that model without resorting to unearned emotional stakes.
Sure, but the heart of Star Trek has always been its little character/relationship moments. There's a lot less room for those in 10 episodes than in 24. I don't know that I've seen a 10-episode-season drama that has managed to really develop the characters in an ensemble cast.
The Expanse does make some admirable effort in that direction, but yeah it gets tough to do especially when there are so many interweaving plotlines and arcs with characters scattered all across the system and into others. And they have the advantage of working from books that are a little more right-sized for a ten-ep season than GoT.
"Dude she's the Purdue Pharma of the black pill." - JasonL

"This thread is like a dog park where everyone lets their preconceptions and biases run around and sniff each others butts." - Hugh Akston

"That's just tokenism with extra steps." - Jake
User avatar
Kolohe
Posts: 14668
Joined: 06 May 2010, 10:51

Re: Star Trek Wankery

Post by Kolohe »

This account has a good rundown of tonight's debate
https://twitter.com/realGulDukat?s=09
when you wake up as the queen of the n=1 kingdom and mount your steed non sequiturius, do you look out upon all you survey and think “damn, it feels good to be a green idea sleeping furiously?" - dhex
User avatar
Aresen
Posts: 17294
Joined: 26 Apr 2010, 20:18
Location: Great White Pacific Northwest

Re: Star Trek Wankery

Post by Aresen »

Kolohe wrote: 22 Oct 2020, 22:40 This account has a good rundown of tonight's debate
https://twitter.com/realGulDukat?s=09
That's hilarious.
If Trump supporters wanted a tough guy, why did they elect such a whiny bitch? - Mo

Those who know history are doomed to deja vu. - the innominate one

Never bring a knife to a joke fight" - dhex
User avatar
dbcooper
Posts: 18724
Joined: 05 May 2010, 15:40

Re: Star Trek Wankery

Post by dbcooper »

I'm partial to this Dukat meme:

Image
Slip inside a sleeping bag.
User avatar
dbcooper
Posts: 18724
Joined: 05 May 2010, 15:40

Re: Star Trek Wankery

Post by dbcooper »

In season 3 O'Brien died and was replaced by his future self, and no one gave a shit. Keiko probably yelled at him for being late, and no one from Star Fleet gave a second thought to his sacrifice.
Slip inside a sleeping bag.
User avatar
Painboy
Posts: 4653
Joined: 18 Feb 2013, 11:33
Location: Seattle

Re: Star Trek Wankery

Post by Painboy »

dbcooper wrote: 24 Oct 2020, 07:13 In season 3 O'Brien died and was replaced by his future self, and no one gave a shit. Keiko probably yelled at him for being late, and no one from Star Fleet gave a second thought to his sacrifice.
The fact that O'Brien wasn't a raving lunatic by the end of the series is a miracle in of itself. Remember he also served 20 years in a virtual prison where he killed his best friend.
Post Reply