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Eric the .5b wrote:
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Jennifer wrote:
01 Nov 2019, 14:48
Serious, related observation: no WONDER lifelong Deep Southerners are so appalled at the very idea of living in the sort of climate you'd find anywhere north of maybe Delaware...
Humidity is no joke. Chilly and cold weather is just nasty when it's wet.

There should be some drier weather headed your way from my neck of the woods, though.
Yeah, today was just as cold but reasonably dry (by local standards) and also sunny, and it was almost as nice as up north. (But when we went out after dark to see a "lantern parade," I did make a point of wearing more and warmer clothes under the blazer.)

Unfortunately, we tend to have more damp days than dry ones here. And even with my newfound (post-Atlanta) knowledge about which fabrics to avoid and which to embrace to decrease the discomfort of high humidity, it seems to be one of the few climate-and-clothes related matters where cold weather is actually a bigger problem than hot. Because even wearing the right fabrics to keep your skin dry, the dampness makes the chill sink in to you in a way that dry chill never does.

Also at the parade I amused myself by watching the crowd and guessing who was a southern native and who a northern transplant based on their clothes -- the ones wearing things like full-fledged quilted fur-lined coats and scarves and hats, etc. with dryish temps in the high 40s or lower 50s, I'd guess were southern. People like me -- bare-headed, wearing at most a jacket or blazer as a visible sop to the cold (though you can't tell by looking who is or isn't wearing thermals) -- were likely northern transplants.
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Ferreals it's the humidity that makes me hate returning to the east/south/Texas from Colorado.

When I was more comfortable at 20 in Colorado than I had been at 40 in Dallas, within 10 days of the move, so not after acclimatization or anything, I realized that humidity is the mind killer. Likewise 95 in the shade in Colorado is more pleasant than 80 in the shade in Dallas.
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Ferreals it's the humidity that makes me hate returning to the east/south/Texas from Colorado.

When I was more comfortable at 20 in Colorado than I had been at 40 in Dallas, within 10 days of the move, so not after acclimatization or anything, I realized that humidity is the mind killer. Likewise 95 in the shade in Colorado is more pleasant than 80 in the shade in Dallas.
Yeah, when things here are relatively dry it's pretty obvious that even after 3+ years I'm still far more "northern" acclimated than my neighbors and other locals (some of whom will wear winter gear when temperatures are only in the low 70s. Which baffles me -- I honestly don't understand how any member of the species homo sapiens, whose standard non-feverish body temperature is somewhere in the 96- to 98-degree range, can wear THAT much heat-retaining clothing in THAT air temperature and not get seriously overheated). But when the temperature is anywhere from "just above freezing" to "the uppermost 50s" AND the humidity is too high ... well, as I said already, I cannot figure out how to dress comfortably for that. The old principle "If it's too cold you can always put on another layer"" does not seem to apply, because the humidity chill somehow leaps over ALL of those layers and burrows right into your core.
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Oh, and regarding the official topic of this thread -- "fashion" rather than the heat- or humidity-retaining characteristics of various textiles -- I mentioned already that the corduroy blazer I've worn out these past two nights is one of the super-practical "journalism blazers" I bought in Connecticut (a distinctly different category from "blazers or suit jackets nice enough to wear to job interviews and the like," which in turn differs from "jackets and blazers I'd wear on social occasions," which in turn differs from a couple other categories in my closet). Don't remember exactly when and where I bought it, but I do recall it was still fairly new-to-me when Jeff and I went to Montreal for some sci-fi convention. And the only reason I remember that is because Jeff took some pictures of me wearing it, and it was one of the very few times I've used Photoshop to alter a picture, because the photo showed the blazer open enough to see that inside its front panel (or whatever the term is), there originally was a large, square white tag that looked glaringly obvious (and bad) against the dark blue of the blazer itself. So I 'shopped out the white square, and later (after returning home from the con) used a seam ripper to very carefully remove the tag itself.

That tag announced that the blazer came from "Sears -- The Fashion Place." Which, according to a just-now online search, was a clothing line from the mid-to-late 70s. That blazer is several years older than a significant number of the people on this forum.
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That's a sturdy blazer!

Though, practical journalism-wear from the 70s makes me think Kolchak and his hat. Which makes me wonder whether they make straw cloche hats - and they do. But maybe the original design, being vented to Hell and back, would work better in the sun...
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Indeed, I have more respect for the blazer now that I know of its lengthy pedigree.

This struck me as mildly amusing: Jeff and I ran errands today including of course several thrift store visits, and I found more** really good blouses than usual (albeit made of cotton, rather than the rayon or linen I'm actively looking for), and I thought how weird it was that I'd find an unusual haul of autumn/early winter shirts rather than the haul of summer clothes I'd expect to find now that local summer has been over for a couple of weeks now -- until I remembered "Oh, right, even here most people think of cotton as a 'summer' rather than 'winter' fabric."

Also, while trying on one of the blouses -- like most of the button-on shirts I've bought these past few weeks, today's were all of the fitted, "tailored" cut with taken-in waists, rather than the straight-cut shirts that comprised the majority I've owned throughout my life -- I thought "No surprise, fitted shirts look a hell of a lot more flattering on me than straight-cut shirts. Why the hell didn't I wear these all along?" Then I remembered: until I moved to Georgia and made certain wardrobe adjustments for the climate, I almost never actually buttoned my button-on shirts, but wore most of them unbuttoned over a T-shirt or some other more form-fitting pullover, serving basically the same wardrobe function as a jacket or blazer: not something you wear by itself, but over another top.

Come to think of it, in my earliest days in Georgia, my first attempt at wardrobe alteration was "Wearing a loose and extra-lightweight linen shirt over a thin sleeveless husband-beater top," and it took me a couple weeks of unnecessary additional sweating before I finally figured out "It would be cooler still if I just button the damned overshirt and lose the undershirt entirely."


**Jeff made no thrift-shop scores today beyond a couple of books, and I felt bad for him having to cool his heels waiting for me to try on all those clothes ... but we more than made up for it later, when Jeff went nuts at Microcenter.
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Eric the .5b wrote:
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Though, practical journalism-wear from the 70s makes me think Kolchak and his hat. Which makes me wonder whether they make straw cloche hats - and they do. But maybe the original design, being vented to Hell and back, would work better in the sun...
Heh, the only reason I have so many cloche hats is because they were the least-unflattering option I could find within the very narrow subcategory "Wool women's winter hats sold at Connecticut Target stores back in the day." I remember trying on the fedoras (or trilbys? Some smallish-brimmed style) first -- I liked those because the small feather sewn into the hatband was a peacock-eye, rather than the nondescript brown-and-black feather sewn on the cloches -- but something about the shape of that hat, and all of the brimmed-hat offerings in Target's women's accessories section, simply clashed with the shape of my face and head.

Regarding the wide-brimmed sun hats I have nowadays, I still haven't found one in the right shape to be truly flattering. (Although, oddly enough, the cheap black Halloween-store "1920s gangster hat" I bought for this year's party costume was quite flattering, especially with the rest of my outfit. Too bad it is not appropriate to wear in any other social situation, and too hot for summer use anyway.)
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Also, regarding "ladyfashun" in general: I remember as a young teenager having one of those "Oh, wow!" insight moments, when I was reading some historical novel and came across my nth lifetime mention of milliners, millinery or a woman going to the milliner's: "Women in those days fussed over their hats the same way me and my friends fuss over our hair -- because depending on how its shape frames your face, that makes ALL the difference in whether you look good or not! An unflattering hat for this character is like a 'bad hair day' for me, only worse -- because tomorrow my hair might look good on me, but that particular hat still won't."
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Ellie wrote:
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I hate the cold-shoulder trend and it seems to be getting MORE popular lately. Nooooooooo
Trend/pop-culture sighting: there is a new adult cartoon called "Bless the Harts," which is one of Fox's Sunday-night animation offerings. The primary characters are a bunch of usually well-meaning, but fairly consistently dumb, rednecks living somewhere in Bumfuck, North Carolina: the main character is the divorced mother of a teenage girl, working as a buffet waitress and living with HER mother. The Grandma character is generally more dumb and less well-meaning than the other characters. (I've seen all four or five episodes so far but it hasn't made THAT much of an impression on me, judging by how I can't even remember the characters' names except for "Violet" the teenager.)

Anyway, only last night did I get around to watching last Sunday's episode, "Trash Twins," which starts out with Violet's mother and grandmother shopping at the "Mega Lo Mart" (presumably this is the same cartoon universe as King of the Hill) ... and Violet's Grandma wore a shirt with cold-shoulder sleeves.

I never would have known what to call that if not for this thread. But if a "trendy" fashion is now being sported by cartoon redneck grandmas, I'd guess its heyday has passed.

ETA: Just did an image search for the show -- huh, Grandma didn't just wear cold shoulders to Mega Lo Mart; she wears them all the time!

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Facebook keeps advertising this shirt to me. What the fuck does it say? Or mean? What is happening?

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For whatever reason I decided to try to figure it out and it's...pretty random.

Apparently this was inspired by a Comme des garçons design, which was itself inspired by some of Walt Disney's original sketches for Mickey Mouse.

Here's a blurry photo of the Comme fashion show where this appeared: http://charlieporter.net/stories/8307

The copy on that shirt says "feeling of flatness to the top of snout nose."

There was also a sweatshirt with this slogan and what looks like a dog face, from 2015 via instagram:

And here's a Pinterest of a better photo of a similar shirt https://www.pinterest.co.uk/pin/316096467588124773/ and a poshmark listing as well https://poshmark.com/listing/White-Mick ... =pi_sh_pub
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Cursory research indicates it may have been part of a character model for Mickey.

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Jennifer wrote:
08 Nov 2019, 15:23
Trend/pop-culture sighting: there is a new adult cartoon called "Bless the Harts," which is one of Fox's Sunday-night animation offerings. The primary characters are a bunch of usually well-meaning, but fairly consistently dumb, rednecks living somewhere in Bumfuck, North Carolina...

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I am rather amused that the grandma bears a certain resemblance to my mother-in-law, who is a grandma who lives in Bumfuck, Louisiana.
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Thank you for the internet research! That is a random reference for a t-shirt outside a specialty site. Also, looks like it says "feeling of flatness to top of nose" and then "snout" is way down there at the bottom hem? What a weird fuckin' shirt.
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I suspect it was picked up by non-English-speaking designers: you gotta remember that to much of the world, English just signifies "cool", and the designers have little concern for what it actually says or whether it means anything coherent - exactly like Western designers do with Asian characters.
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Well, I mean, the Comme des Garçons version was designed by Rei Kawakubo and I don't think she has great English, though I'm sure plenty of people at Comme des Garçons do. And I thought the Shein site seemed obviously foreign; I just checked and it is Chinese.
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OH FOR FUCKING FUCK'S SAKE.

A week or so ago I had a moment of embarrassment: went outside to throw away some garbage (remember, even when it's chilly outside, our top-floor apartment is usually warm enough to actually have windows open), and just before I opened the front door Jeff, who saw me clad merely in black pants and an old flannel shirt, reminded me to put on a jacket. So I grabbed one off the coat rack and went outside. Before I got halfway to the dumpster my legs were chilly, and by the time I reached the dumpster they were downright COLD. For a fraction of a second I worried I was coming down with some weird illness or disorder -- like, the body heat I generate isn't making it to my legs somehow -- until I remembered: my long pants were made of rayon, which does not hold body heat, so where "heat retaining clothing" is concerned I was basically naked from the waist down in 40-something degree weather. (NOT recommended.)

Fast forward to tonight: I'm getting dressed for a Christmas party, spent a looooong time going through my collection of basically identical black pants until I found a pair made of cotton (though they still require a pair of thermal longjohns underneath), then went looking through my nicer/dressier shirts, jackets and blazers ... long story short, I have an INSUFFICIENT SUPPLY of cold-weather clothing.

And I juuuust now realized: a couple winters ago, when I Marie Kondo'ed my home, organized everything, culled my wardrobe and got rid of certain items I didn't expect to wear again -- some things I discarded were garments I'd "outgrown" -- that was IIRC when I was still either taking prescription steroids or had just stopped, and I was almost 20 pounds heavier than my "standard" adult weight ... so most of the "wintry" pants I kept are now too big for me.

So for tonight I'm wearing a red silk shirt that is absolutely the wrong color for my complexion and too chilly for tonight to boot, but at least it's "Christmasy" and "party-ish" and if I wear it under a nice jacket it should be warm enough, too.

Also: I can't find ANY of my black velvet blazer/jackets from my goth days! And I KNOW I would not have discarded them, because when when I was too big to fit into certain pants, all of my jackets were fine. I bet they're still in one of the many many many boxes we STILL have not unpacked from our move here.
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I found an odd garment, which I'll definitely make heavy use of during the next ultra-hot-and-humid season (because it's black, but also made of rayon which will not hold any heat, and has very nice nacre buttons too), but it's very odd, sort of a hybrid "shirt" and "suit jacket/blazer" (I'm fuzzy on the exact distinction between those last two). More precisely, it's cut like a blazer but has buttons and buttonholes like a shirt. I found it in the shirt rack at the Goodwill, tag saying size small from J. Jill, and I know that company's size-small shirts run a little big on me but in ultra-hot season, that's actually a good thing.

But when I tried it on, it was not merely "a little big," but ridiculously oversized --far too loose and also far too long for any shirt. And when I actually had it on, rather than looking at it on the hanger, I also saw that the shoulder/arm attachment parts were sewn in a weird boxy sort of way I'd associate with a blazer or jacket rather than a shirt. So I unbuttoned the shirt, intending to put it back on the rack -- but I happened to glance in the mirror when the shirt hung open and unbuttoned on me, and it actually looked good that way -- terrible as a shirt, but great as a long, narrow, kinda-slouchy "jacket" or "blazer" to wear unbuttoned over something short-sleeved or sleeveless. Even the weird (for a shirt) boxy shoulder-arm seams looked good, with the garment unbuttoned and hanging loose. But the buttons were not those of a woman's blazer or suit jacket -- even if you button those "all the way," the topmost button isn't anywhere near the neckline (IIRC, mine are generally below the boobline), and usually the bottom-most button isn't close to the bottom hem, either. IOW, a blazer or suit jacket requires you wear a shirt underneath, for modesty's sake, because even with all its buttons fastened it will NOT on its own cover all the top parts expected to be covered.

But this garment (which I intend to use as a casual wash-and-wear summer blazer) has buttons like a shirt: if you wanted, you could fasten the front panels together all the way from neck to hem. Except you wouldn't want to, because that makes it look terrible.
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Another bizarre offering from the same site, that Facebook keeps advertising in my feed. If this is what algorithms are generating, I don't think we need to worry about the rise of the machines anytime soon.

GO BALLISTIC
CRUNCH TIME
Cute
THIN AND THIN
LONG LIVE

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Edited to add: I've been so baffled by the words that I never noticed the sleeves! Wowza.
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Do people leave the house dressed like that?
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Apparently the Family Guy manatees are making shirts now.

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It kind of looks like a mashup/knockoff of dresses JLaw wore in the Hunger Games movies.
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Grrr. I ordered a couple of sun hats on Amazon -- I suspected they would be super-unflattering for the shape of my face, but I didn't care because they were supposed to be made of a linen/rayon combo, which would be far more comfortable than my current sun hats in extreme summer weather -- they LIED. Turns out the hats are polyester/cotton DESPITE what it says on the website.

In other news, rayon or rayon/linen hats with brims wide enough to provide shade apparently do not exist.
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