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WONDER WOMAN Gets a New Costume
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Not too shabby for a 69 year old broad.
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While I agree that WW is sorely in need of a reboot, I'm not sure I like the direction that Straczynski is taking her. There is plenty of gold to be mined from the "Amazon princess the patriarchal world" core of her character. The first thing to settle is her powers. Can she fly or does she use the invisible jet? Is she bullet-proof or is is just her bracelets? Is she Superman strong or just 70% Superman? Etc. etc.

Also, Jubilee is gonna be pissed when she finds out someone stole her costume.

EDIT: at least the boots are boots and not heels. Score one for girl comics.
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A bit generic (why so red-heavy?), and the jacket is such retro-early-90s-design. Not exactly the Electric Superman costume, but not something that will stick. EDIT: Of course, Jim Lee.

And as much as I like JMS's writing, this will likely be true of any changes he makes to WW. His run on Spider-man is pretty much ignored, more because he succumbed to the "re-invent the character!" urge than anything else.

The outfit will look nice on cosplayers at conventions, though.

EDIT: OOFS on the rewrite of the continuity. And how does someone wearing that belt "pass unnoticed" just by closing the jacket? :D
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I'm mixed, reading the whole article. I'm not clear whether this is just a long arc that will result in the restoration of the status quo, or a case of "I wanted to write this badass female street vigilante, but they only let me write Wonder Woman."
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I don't like it at all.
Superheroes are supposed to look like superheroes- not regular people with questionable taste in clothing.
PLUS, female superheroes with a rockin' bodies are supposed to wear skimpy, tight outfits! On this, there can be no debate.

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Well, it's form-fitting. It'd be a sight on someone with a rockin' body. :)

But yeah, it's an attempt to give a superhero a goofy get-up that doesn't look like a goofy get-up, forgetting that people like goofy get-ups.

Could be worse, though - her Violet Lantern costume made me facepalm...

EDIT: Chris Sims suggests how it could be worse: http://www.the-isb.com/?p=4451
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I would much much much rather see this gig go to Joss Whedon than Straczynski. Not that the latter can't write. But strong female characters, good central conflicts, and mindfulness about continuity are hallmarks of Joss Whedon's writing.
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Number 6 wrote:You all know where you can find me.
Hot Topic?
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Pham Nuwen wrote:
Number 6 wrote:You all know where you can find me.
Hot Topic?
Well, I think we all know what has to be done.
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This is pretty much exactly what Sekowsky did in the late 60s to try and make Wonder Woman more in line with what comic book writers supposed was the cutting edge of modern gender relations. Everyone hated it, including feminists, because he wound up gutting everything that made the character who she was. But then, if DC didn't screw up like this, where would they find fodder for their universe-resetting crossovers every 5-15 years?

(Even so, I still think I like it better than the Marvel, "cover your ears and say 'LALALALALA THAT DID NOT HAPPEN LALALALALA RETCON LALALA'" method.)
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Pham Nuwen wrote:
Number 6 wrote:You all know where you can find me.
Hot Topic?
:D
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Hugh Akston wrote:I would much much much rather see this gig go to Joss Whedon than Straczynski. Not that the latter can't write. But strong female characters, good central conflicts, and mindfulness about continuity are hallmarks of Joss Whedon's writing.
Whedon seems to need ensemble casts. He'd have to pretty much invent one for Wonder Woman.
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Shem wrote:This is pretty much exactly what Sekowsky did in the late 60s to try and make Wonder Woman more in line with what comic book writers supposed was the cutting edge of modern gender relations.
Was that the "take away her powers and have her be the damsel in distress on every other cover" era?
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Eric the .5b wrote:
Hugh Akston wrote:I would much much much rather see this gig go to Joss Whedon than Straczynski. Not that the latter can't write. But strong female characters, good central conflicts, and mindfulness about continuity are hallmarks of Joss Whedon's writing.
Whedon seems to need ensemble casts. He'd have to pretty much invent one for Wonder Woman.
Was there much of an ensemble for Fray?
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Good thought - that's only Melaka, her sister, her demon Watcher, the little girl, and the fish guy. Small for Whedon.
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Hugh Akston wrote:I would much much much rather see this gig go to Joss Whedon than Straczynski. Not that the latter can't write. But strong female characters, good central conflicts, and mindfulness about continuity are hallmarks of Joss Whedon's writing.
On the Serenity DVD, in Whedon's commentary on one of the deleted scenes (of the 'call-girl' on her home planet), he remarks that the studio said 'This looks like Wonder Woman IN SPACE', and Whedon's response was along the lines 'uh, yeah. And?'
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Call me a knee-jerk reactionary, but I liked her old costume a lot better.

I agree with rana and Warren.
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(WRT comic book character aging)

...Hence the convenience of the Ultimate Marvel reboot. Most of the X-Men start the run in their late teens. Mind, they couldn't seem to settle between whether they wanted to graduate the huge subtext between the Ultimate versions of Xavier and Magneto to text or keep randomly insisting that Xavier is a philandering skirt-chaser.
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Eric the .5b wrote:Mind, they couldn't seem to settle between whether they wanted to graduate the huge subtext between the Ultimate versions of Xavier and Magneto to text or keep randomly insisting that Xavier is a philandering skirt-chaser.
subtext?
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Hugh Akston wrote:subtext?
At the last point I'd read, they'd never out-and-out said those two had had an affair. Everything around mentions of them before the falling-out (not to mention at least one depiction of Magneto's vengefulness at the falling-out) was fraught with subtext, though.

EDIT: Especially the Legion arc. They totally play up Xavier's son's and ex-wife's resentment at his relationship with Magneto...then the writers started depicting Xavier as having banged virtually every female mutant he ran into before starting the X-Men.
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I didn't read it that way. But then I don't look for sweaty Danger Room encounters in everything I read. NTTAWWT.

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Hugh Akston wrote:I didn't read it that way. But then I don't look for sweaty Danger Room encounters in everything I read. NTTAWWT.
*shrug* I don't, either.
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Eric the .5b wrote:then the writers started depicting Xavier as having banged virtually every female mutant he ran into before starting the X-Men.
Considering his powers . . . that sounds kind of rape-y.

I'm glad all I know of comics are some graphic novels such as Marvel Zombies. Xavier gets eaten in the latter.
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