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Re: the list of those things which are not food

Post by Warren » 28 Jun 2017, 21:04

I use to be on team Never Cilantro, but now I'm a convert.
The thing about cilantro is it's way more potent than other herbs. Especially when it's fresh, which is backwards.
You have to be very miserly with it. Just a tiny sprig, added at the very end of cooking is all that's needed.
When applied judiciously, cilantro can really elevate a dish.
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Re: the list of those things which are not food

Post by Jasper » 29 Jun 2017, 10:37

Pro cilantro. I get that it tastes like soap to some folks. Have heard it from several various people.

Pro soft-corn tortillas for tacos. Pro flour tortillas for tacos.

Pro tacos, like pro pizza. It's all good.
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Post by Warren » 29 Jun 2017, 10:47

Jasper wrote:Pro soft-corn tortillas
Whoa, back up there. Soft-corn? I that like soft-porn? You can't... Wait a minute, I better google...
OMG that is a thing. I didn't know that was a thing.
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Post by JasonL » 29 Jun 2017, 10:53

Warren wrote:
Jasper wrote:Pro soft-corn tortillas
Whoa, back up there. Soft-corn? I that like soft-porn? You can't... Wait a minute, I better google...
OMG that is a thing. I didn't know that was a thing.
What? It's the most common thing for a taqueria taco.

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Post by Warren » 29 Jun 2017, 11:05

JasonL wrote:
Warren wrote:
Jasper wrote:Pro soft-corn tortillas
Whoa, back up there. Soft-corn? I that like soft-porn? You can't... Wait a minute, I better google...
OMG that is a thing. I didn't know that was a thing.
What? It's the most common thing for a taqueria taco.
I don't know what that is either.
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Post by Jasper » 29 Jun 2017, 11:10

Ya, steamed corn tortilla, not the crunchy things sold in the grocery store.
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Post by Warren » 29 Jun 2017, 11:13

Jasper wrote:Ya, steamed corn tortilla, not the crunchy things sold in the grocery store.
Steamed eh? What I found was low temp frying. I was thinking if you boiled them, they'd fall apart. But I can see steaming if done at high temps.
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Post by JasonL » 29 Jun 2017, 11:16

Steamed or light fried / light grilled.

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Post by Jasper » 29 Jun 2017, 11:18

Yeah, maybe warming on a grill or griddle is a better way to do it, though the one authentic taco place by work takes them out of a steam table when you order.
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Post by Highway » 29 Jun 2017, 11:33

Honestly, I'm with Jadagul on this one. Soft corn tortillas usually end up feeling too mealy in my mouth and are adversely affected by any liquid in the taco, so they just fall apart. Maybe they have a little more interesting taste, but not worth the downsides.
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Post by JasonL » 29 Jun 2017, 11:37

I've always felt that corn is the best case scenario but they have a very narrow range of optimal serving conditions. You want to quick grill them and eat them immediately. Flour is much more forgiving. I'm not opposed to flour and use them myself pretty often. I am opposed to crunchy taco shells. They are just bad.

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Post by nicole » 29 Jun 2017, 12:11

JasonL wrote:I've always felt that corn is the best case scenario but they have a very narrow range of optimal serving conditions. You want to quick grill them and eat them immediately. Flour is much more forgiving. I'm not opposed to flour and use them myself pretty often. I am opposed to crunchy taco shells. They are just bad.
Yeah this is kind of my thing as well. I always feel anti-corn but it's only because they're not likely to be done optimally. But at my favorite taco place, I have zero hesitation about ordering one with corn, they're delicious. (The place varies the shell based on the filling.)
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Post by Warren » 29 Jun 2017, 14:48

Grilled corn tortillas? I wouldn't believe you could break down the starches like that. Uncooked corn tortilla is all nope for me.
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Post by nicole » 29 Jun 2017, 14:49

Grilled like to-warmness.
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Post by thoreau » 29 Jun 2017, 15:13

The thing with the tortillas is less about grilling versus other methods and more about warming them until they have the right texture.

The only way I like crispy taco shells is if they are very smooth in texture, not gritty like the Taco Bell shells are/were. (Haven't had a hard-shell taco in probably 15+ years.) Some Mexican places have deep-fried taco shells with the right texture and a decadent flavor. But those are atypical. Typically, warm, soft corn tortillas with good texture are just fine.
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Post by lunchstealer » 29 Jun 2017, 15:24

nicole wrote:
JasonL wrote:I've always felt that corn is the best case scenario but they have a very narrow range of optimal serving conditions. You want to quick grill them and eat them immediately. Flour is much more forgiving. I'm not opposed to flour and use them myself pretty often. I am opposed to crunchy taco shells. They are just bad.
Yeah this is kind of my thing as well. I always feel anti-corn but it's only because they're not likely to be done optimally. But at my favorite taco place, I have zero hesitation about ordering one with corn, they're delicious. (The place varies the shell based on the filling.)
Objections to corn are almost always because they weren't warmed correctly or on-demand enough. If you don't have the time/energy/expertise to do them right, yeah, flour are much easier. The flipside is that it brings nothing to the table. It's the white bread of wraps. The corn, OTOH, adds a layer of earthiness that changes over to a touch of sweetness as the starches break down.

I get why people like crunchy shells, I guess, but I lack the dexterity needed to make this happen. There was a place that served a hand-made crunchy taco with a pretty decent combo of other stuff, so a friend would take a flour tortilla, put some of the refried beans on it, then wrap it around the taco shell. This was actually pretty good.
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Post by Mo » 30 Jun 2017, 05:52

JasonL wrote:I've always felt that corn is the best case scenario but they have a very narrow range of optimal serving conditions. You want to quick grill them and eat them immediately. Flour is much more forgiving. I'm not opposed to flour and use them myself pretty often. I am opposed to crunchy taco shells. They are just bad.
There are some excellent crunchy taco shells. There's a delicious, but not at all authentic, taco shack called Tito's near where I used to live in LA that has amazing crunchy taco shells. They deep fry them to perfection.
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Post by Kolohe » 30 Jun 2017, 06:49

Eric the .5b wrote:
lunchstealer wrote:Those are some really interesting italian-inspired flatbread food products y'all are making.
Thank you, The EU.
Some sound more like fan fiction, tbh.
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Post by Jasper » 30 Jun 2017, 07:42

JasonL wrote:I've always felt that corn is the best case scenario but they have a very narrow range of optimal serving conditions. You want to quick grill them and eat them immediately. Flour is much more forgiving. I'm not opposed to flour and use them myself pretty often. I am opposed to crunchy taco shells. They are just bad.
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Post by Eric the .5b » 02 Jul 2017, 17:58

Kolohe wrote:
Eric the .5b wrote:
lunchstealer wrote:Those are some really interesting italian-inspired flatbread food products y'all are making.
Thank you, The EU.
Some sound more like fan fiction, tbh.
So do most standard American pizza forms to Italians.
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Post by Jennifer » 06 Jul 2017, 21:19

I know Taco Bell isn't really Mexican and barely qualifies as food, but I am addicted to their steak quesadillas because I freakin' love the sauce they use. So I went online to find a replica sauce recipe, checked the list of required ingredients, and ... now, for the first time in my adult life, there is a jar of mayonnaise in my house.
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Post by pistoffnick » 06 Jul 2017, 23:57

<Cackles evily>Yes, give in to the dark side. Let the mayo flow through you </end cackle>
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Post by Warren » 07 Jul 2017, 00:23

I feel a great disturbance in the force.
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Post by Jennifer » 07 Jul 2017, 19:54

I figure if I'm ever in danger of forgetting "I am literally the only white woman living in this neighborhood," seeing the jar of mayonnaise ought to remind me.
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Post by Sandy » 07 Jul 2017, 22:57

Warren wrote:I feel a great disturbance in the force.
Nope, that's just some expired mayo.
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