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I've heard people in other contexts suggesting the German union model as a remedy because they are folded into (corporate) institutional decision-making rather than just antagonistic against management. But it's not clear to me that adding another huge unaccountable institution into the mix is going to solve a lot.

But the reason why populism enjoys perennial success despite a well-cataloged history is that a) There's a legitimate gripe about institutions not responding to the concerns of people they're supposed to serve, and b) populist demagogues don't need to deliver solutions that work. They just need to demonize the bad guys and make a big show of being tough guys while inventing ever more elaborate bad guys to blame for the cascading failures of populist statecraft.
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Agree, especially the second part about you don't have to offer a solution just paint a bad guy picture.

The problem is going to scale with the size of population in question it seems to me and couching it in the language of democracy being overturned by institutions or even as institutions not serving the people they are supposed to sort of misses the key point which is that democracy doesn't do what you are acting like it does in those stories. The more voices there are to hear the less true it is that your voice is going to be heard no matter what. If you pool ten million people into a body that directly "represents their interests", that body itself has the same problem - the history of US labor is "Vote Democrat no matter what". How is that having a voice heard if you like your job but also like "traditional families" or whatnot?

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Right, whether you have 51% direct democracy or representative institutions, your voice is going to get lost in the caucusing process. Democracy is not a great instrument for diversity of opinion since majorities require compromise or force to precipitate. Both populists and socialists have unrealistic expectations for what democracy can accomplish.

Our answer is to limit the ways in which institutions can fuck you over, but on things like trade and immigration our answers are not the ones that they took er jerbs types want to hear.
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A couple of my tumblr friends articulate the point that while people today have many powers and freedoms they wouldn't have had in the past, it's also harder for people to feel _independent_, to feel like they're in control of their lives in the sense that other people do not control their lives.

As you say, no system of government is going to really fix this problem when the "problem" is that we're all pretty interconnected. But it is a descriptive truth that people feel like (1) they don't have control over their lives, and (2) they ought to, so (3) this is someone's fault. And then you can blame the poors, or the blacks, or the corporations, or the failure of democracy, or whatever.

People viscerally imagine some sort of frictionless Habermasian discursive community in which all voices are heard and decisions are made by a sharing of minds and a consensus of the entire polity. And that even works, if your polity contains ten people.

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Another pet theory of mine - people are at least as bothered that their voice doesn’t govern everyone around them as they are that they have no control over their own lives. When people on the losing end of cultural or economic changes talk about lost voices - a lot of times they mean things like I want most people to laugh at my joke about the queers. It’s not that I don’t have a voice it’s that everyone else is living wrong and I don’t get a veto.

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JasonL wrote:
28 Jan 2020, 21:20
It’s not that I don’t have a voice it’s that everyone else is living wrong and I don’t get a veto.
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Hugh Akston wrote:
28 Jan 2020, 16:46
I've heard people in other contexts suggesting the German union model as a remedy because they are folded into (corporate) institutional decision-making rather than just antagonistic against management. But it's not clear to me that adding another huge unaccountable institution into the mix is going to solve a lot.

But the reason why populism enjoys perennial success despite a well-cataloged history is that a) There's a legitimate gripe about institutions not responding to the concerns of people they're supposed to serve, and b) populist demagogues don't need to deliver solutions that work. They just need to demonize the bad guys and make a big show of being tough guys while inventing ever more elaborate bad guys to blame for the cascading failures of populist statecraft.
The other advantage of the German union model is that the unions are sector-wide (which is illegal in the US) rather than by firm. So it prevents the ratchet effect and is more responsive to industry dynamics than staggered firm by firm negotiations.
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A searchable archive of every Cum Town episode (including patreon eps), indexed by bit.

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Warren wrote:
28 Jan 2020, 21:41
JasonL wrote:
28 Jan 2020, 21:20
It’s not that I don’t have a voice it’s that everyone else is living wrong and I don’t get a veto.
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Cum Town is pretty mediocre now, but at its best it did inspire its fans.

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Listening to LRC makes me hate Elizabeth Bruenig as much as Nicole. She was complaining about being unable to get a coronavirus test because even though she stayed at the same hotel as the Utah Jazz and had symptoms, she didn’t know her temperature. But seemed annoyed that they asked her to take her temperature because “I know how I feel when I have a fever.” FFS even in countries with single payer, people take their own temperature.
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Joe Biden: the podcast.

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