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Post by JasonL » 28 Dec 2017, 12:45

Jesus that Matt Stoller guy on econtalk makes me want to jab chopsticks into my ears until his whining stops.

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Post by Warren » 28 Dec 2017, 12:54

JasonL wrote:
28 Dec 2017, 12:45
Jesus that Matt Stoller guy on econtalk makes me want to jab chopsticks into my ears until his whining stops.
I'll have to check it out. I felt the same way about Michael Moynihan and Tina Brown over at 5thC. Gossip is the lowest form of conversation and celebrity gossip is the lowest form of gossip. Crawling up your own ass over what great celebrity gossip journalists you are is like a podcast made of antimatter.
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Post by JasonL » 28 Dec 2017, 13:03

Stoller is all amazon sells more stuff and it’s the end of human dignity. I wish I were exaggerating

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Post by Warren » 28 Dec 2017, 13:13

JasonL wrote:
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Stoller is all amazon sells more stuff and it’s the end of human dignity. I wish I were exaggerating
I'm only ten minutes in, don't know how much longer I'll stick with before I bail.
At first I was all ready to come back here guns blazing over municipal corporate cronyism. That lasted about thirty seconds. Now he's going on about how logging online sucks the agency out of you.
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Re: Podcasts - Watcha listening to?

Post by JasonL » 28 Dec 2017, 13:33

Warren wrote:
28 Dec 2017, 13:13
JasonL wrote:
28 Dec 2017, 13:03
Stoller is all amazon sells more stuff and it’s the end of human dignity. I wish I were exaggerating
I'm only ten minutes in, don't know how much longer I'll stick with before I bail.
At first I was all ready to come back here guns blazing over municipal corporate cronyism. That lasted about thirty seconds. Now he's going on about how logging online sucks the agency out of you.
It gets pretty unreal by the end. This is NOT a good time to be a craft brewer because inbev has lots of labels and choice is an illusion!!!!

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Post by Warren » 28 Dec 2017, 13:46

JasonL wrote:
28 Dec 2017, 13:33
Warren wrote:
28 Dec 2017, 13:13
JasonL wrote:
28 Dec 2017, 13:03
Stoller is all amazon sells more stuff and it’s the end of human dignity. I wish I were exaggerating
I'm only ten minutes in, don't know how much longer I'll stick with before I bail.
At first I was all ready to come back here guns blazing over municipal corporate cronyism. That lasted about thirty seconds. Now he's going on about how logging online sucks the agency out of you.
It gets pretty unreal by the end. This is NOT a good time to be a craft brewer because inbev has lots of labels and choice is an illusion!!!!
Ha ha ha ha ha. Oh man I don't think I can take another hour. That's hilarious.
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Re: Podcasts - Watcha listening to?

Post by Sandy » 28 Dec 2017, 19:30

JasonL wrote:
28 Dec 2017, 13:33
This is NOT a good time to be a craft brewer because inbev has lots of labels and choice is an illusion!!!!
That's true, but nothing to do with InBev. There have been too many putting out too many similar beers (oh yay another IPA wow) and the market correction has begun. Inbev is just taking advantage of that.
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Post by Warren » 28 Dec 2017, 20:37

Sandy wrote:
28 Dec 2017, 19:30
JasonL wrote:
28 Dec 2017, 13:33
This is NOT a good time to be a craft brewer because inbev has lots of labels and choice is an illusion!!!!
That's true, but nothing to do with InBev. There have been too many putting out too many similar beers (oh yay another IPA wow) and the market correction has begun. Inbev is just taking advantage of that.
The reason there's so many IPAs, is IPAs taste great. There has never been a better time to be a beer drinker. Too many similar beers? WTF? Even out here in Goat Rope I can get Mothers, Goose Island, Shafley, Boulevard, A local Micro Brew, and a better one down the road a piece. There's also a selection of hard ciders and about two years ago a variety of hard sodas (root beer, orange, cherry cola, etc. I haven't had the nerve to try any.) When I get to civilization there's even more selection. And even if 850 out of a 1,000 are IPAs, that's still 150 amazing and unique brews. It wasn't that long ago there were 52 varieties of Budweiser, and nothing else, to choose from.
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Re: Podcasts - Watcha listening to?

Post by lunchstealer » 01 Jan 2018, 15:39

Warren wrote:
28 Dec 2017, 20:37
Sandy wrote:
28 Dec 2017, 19:30
JasonL wrote:
28 Dec 2017, 13:33
This is NOT a good time to be a craft brewer because inbev has lots of labels and choice is an illusion!!!!
That's true, but nothing to do with InBev. There have been too many putting out too many similar beers (oh yay another IPA wow) and the market correction has begun. Inbev is just taking advantage of that.
The reason there's so many IPAs, is IPAs taste great. There has never been a better time to be a beer drinker. Too many similar beers? WTF? Even out here in Goat Rope I can get Mothers, Goose Island, Shafley, Boulevard, A local Micro Brew, and a better one down the road a piece. There's also a selection of hard ciders and about two years ago a variety of hard sodas (root beer, orange, cherry cola, etc. I haven't had the nerve to try any.) When I get to civilization there's even more selection. And even if 850 out of a 1,000 are IPAs, that's still 150 amazing and unique brews. It wasn't that long ago there were 52 varieties of Budweiser, and nothing else, to choose from.
I will sort of second this, but with two amendments.

IPAs don't so much taste better than other beers, as they taste MORE than other beers, so it's really easy to make them 'special'. Hop load is the easiest thing to alter in your brewing process. It covers up off flavors, so you don't have to worry that you'll lose a batch of beer to a small problem elsewhere in the process. So that there are too many IPAs (and APAs that might as well be IPAs) is that they're reliable and thus safe economic bets. The second way to cover up brewing problems is to amp up the alcohol content. Hence so many 'imperial' stouts and even IPAs. And they feel like adventurous beers. People like to think they're being adventurous (and to a great extent genuinely like being adventurous) but it's also economically really easy. Doing a good, subtle, smooth Irish Red is hard. There's nothing for any part of it to hide behind. So if you have a small problem in your brewing process, you run a real risk of just losing the entire batch, and all the money you've invested in it. You won't run into that problem with an American Imperial IPA.

Second, of those 150 other beers, 50 will be some variation on wheat, and another 40 will be infused with fruit or coconut or coffee or hemp or some shit. At least the gose craze is fading a bit. But good luck finding a nice porter these days. Stouts are a little better. All of these problems are magnified when you go to 'on tap' at a place that doesn't specialize in wide beer varieties. Finding something that's low ABV, not wheat, not fruit, and not IPA is a bit of a stretch. Fortunately there are a fair amount of people doing decent lagers these days, which helps on this front.
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Post by Warren » 01 Jan 2018, 16:10

IPAs don't so much taste better than other beers, as they taste MORE than other beers, so it's really easy to make them 'special'. Hop load is the easiest thing to alter in your brewing process. It covers up off flavors, so you don't have to worry that you'll lose a batch of beer to a small problem elsewhere in the process. So that there are too many IPAs (and APAs that might as well be IPAs) is that they're reliable and thus safe economic bets. The second way to cover up brewing problems is to amp up the alcohol content. Hence so many 'imperial' stouts and even IPAs. And they feel like adventurous beers. People like to think they're being adventurous (and to a great extent genuinely like being adventurous) but it's also economically really easy. Doing a good, subtle, smooth Irish Red is hard. There's nothing for any part of it to hide behind. So if you have a small problem in your brewing process, you run a real risk of just losing the entire batch, and all the money you've invested in it. You won't run into that problem with an American Imperial IPA.
That's mostly right, though I think you're overstating it a bit. If you're working with a proven recipe, an Irish Red isn't really that hard to duplicate. It's true that I can almost always count on an untried IPA to deliver. It needs be said that there is quite a lot of variation to be found in the IPA/APA style, and some are better than others. But yes, if you put in enough hops so you can taste it (without going all DFH on it) chances are you'll get something agreeable.
Second, of those 150 other beers, 50 will be some variation on wheat, and another 40 will be infused with fruit or coconut or coffee or hemp or some shit. At least the gose craze is fading a bit. But good luck finding a nice porter these days. Stouts are a little better.
Again, I'd say mostly right but overstated. "Some variation on wheat" is akin to "some variation on chicken soup", that covers a shit-ton of variation. The ongoing entries in the "unusual adjunct" category is a feature not a bug. It's true I'd as soon live without most of them, but now and then I find something really out there that surprises me in a good way. Though I may not ever order it again. No idea what you consider a "nice porter". I can get Sierra Nevada anytime.
All of these problems are magnified when you go to 'on tap' at a place that doesn't specialize in wide beer varieties. Finding something that's low ABV, not wheat, not fruit, and not IPA is a bit of a stretch. Fortunately there are a fair amount of people doing decent lagers these days, which helps on this front.
Totally with you here. High ABV is the bane of my beer hunting. It's definitely a thing, and it's definitely not my thing.
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Re: Podcasts - Watcha listening to?

Post by Sandy » 01 Jan 2018, 19:34

IPAs take less time to produce, so if you’re in an overextended industry, that’s how you pad your profit margin.
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Post by lunchstealer » 01 Jan 2018, 22:00

Warren wrote:
01 Jan 2018, 16:10
IPAs don't so much taste better than other beers, as they taste MORE than other beers, so it's really easy to make them 'special'. Hop load is the easiest thing to alter in your brewing process. It covers up off flavors, so you don't have to worry that you'll lose a batch of beer to a small problem elsewhere in the process. So that there are too many IPAs (and APAs that might as well be IPAs) is that they're reliable and thus safe economic bets. The second way to cover up brewing problems is to amp up the alcohol content. Hence so many 'imperial' stouts and even IPAs. And they feel like adventurous beers. People like to think they're being adventurous (and to a great extent genuinely like being adventurous) but it's also economically really easy. Doing a good, subtle, smooth Irish Red is hard. There's nothing for any part of it to hide behind. So if you have a small problem in your brewing process, you run a real risk of just losing the entire batch, and all the money you've invested in it. You won't run into that problem with an American Imperial IPA.
That's mostly right, though I think you're overstating it a bit. If you're working with a proven recipe, an Irish Red isn't really that hard to duplicate. It's true that I can almost always count on an untried IPA to deliver. It needs be said that there is quite a lot of variation to be found in the IPA/APA style, and some are better than others. But yes, if you put in enough hops so you can taste it (without going all DFH on it) chances are you'll get something agreeable.
Second, of those 150 other beers, 50 will be some variation on wheat, and another 40 will be infused with fruit or coconut or coffee or hemp or some shit. At least the gose craze is fading a bit. But good luck finding a nice porter these days. Stouts are a little better.
Again, I'd say mostly right but overstated. "Some variation on wheat" is akin to "some variation on chicken soup", that covers a shit-ton of variation. The ongoing entries in the "unusual adjunct" category is a feature not a bug. It's true I'd as soon live without most of them, but now and then I find something really out there that surprises me in a good way. Though I may not ever order it again. No idea what you consider a "nice porter". I can get Sierra Nevada anytime.
All of these problems are magnified when you go to 'on tap' at a place that doesn't specialize in wide beer varieties. Finding something that's low ABV, not wheat, not fruit, and not IPA is a bit of a stretch. Fortunately there are a fair amount of people doing decent lagers these days, which helps on this front.
Totally with you here. High ABV is the bane of my beer hunting. It's definitely a thing, and it's definitely not my thing.
I actually don't see Sierra Nevada's porters or stouts all that often anymore. And I have never seen it on tap.

It's true that there's a shitton of variety in wheats. My problem is that there's something in wheats that I over-taste or something, so I can barely stand most of them. Hoegaarden, (late, lamented) Celis White, and actually Blue Moon are all drinkable, but otherwise not so much. Maybe some of the dunkel Weissen. So that's a huge swath of variety that I just can't drink. So if you're at a place with 30 beers on tap, you end up with 20 IPA/APA, and 5 wheats of various kinds, plus an apricot wheat or a raspberry gose or a blood orange IPA, leaving at most four straightforward beers to choose from. I like IPAs just fine, but they're more of a sometimes food for me these days. Sierra Nevada Pale Ale used to be my very favorite beer, but I've moved on.

I will say that sometimes high-ABV stuff can be nice. I like a good wee-heavy or doppelbock once in a while, and there's a good winter Hibernation sitting in my fridge right now. But they are definitely sometimes-foods.
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Re: Podcasts - Watcha listening to?

Post by Eric the .5b » 02 Jan 2018, 12:55

Older IPAs are good. IPAs developed or reformulated in the last five to seven years are horrible, hop-based abuse.
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Re: Podcasts - Watcha listening to?

Post by lunchstealer » 07 Jan 2018, 01:21

Ugh.

I was at the liquor store yesterday, looking for the unadulterated porters that aren't there. There was a slot for Deschutes but they were out, and I avoid Deschutes because they bilked taxpayers in NC for their east coast brewery. Anyway, a local brewery that I had heard of but not tried had their 'Happy Marzen' out, so I was all, yeah I should try that. Got it home, cracked one open, and...

Oh...

It said "Hoppy" not "Happy". Who the fuck hops up a Marzen?
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