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Re: It's not the size of the screen...

Post by Eric the .5b » 29 May 2018, 19:33

Well, she's broken from the pattern of being a right-wing Rosie O'Donnell—O'Donnell can actually keep a show on the air.
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Post by Mo » 29 May 2018, 19:37

She does not own the rights. And with Disney buying Fox networks, I can’t see who would pick her up. Maybe some bottom of the rung channel like Newsmax TV.
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Re: It's not the size of the screen...

Post by Jennifer » 29 May 2018, 19:44

It would be a nice FU to Barr if they killed off the Roseanne character and redid the show as The Conners or something. And since they've already established in-universe that Roseanne has an opioid addiction, having her OD off-screen wouldn't even be too difficult.
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Re: It's not the size of the screen...

Post by Eric the .5b » 29 May 2018, 20:06

Jennifer wrote:
29 May 2018, 19:44
It would be a nice FU to Barr if they killed off the Roseanne character and redid the show as The Conners or something. And since they've already established in-universe that Roseanne has an opioid addiction, having her OD off-screen wouldn't even be too difficult.
At which point there's pretty much zero audience. Just kill it.
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Re: It's not the size of the screen...

Post by Jasper » 31 May 2018, 10:43

Eric the .5b wrote:
29 May 2018, 20:06
Jennifer wrote:
29 May 2018, 19:44
It would be a nice FU to Barr if they killed off the Roseanne character and redid the show as The Conners or something. And since they've already established in-universe that Roseanne has an opioid addiction, having her OD off-screen wouldn't even be too difficult.
At which point there's pretty much zero audience. Just kill it.
Or, as I saw on twitter, kill off Rosanne, and then have Dan just start hanging around with his new buddy Dude Lebowski down at the bowling alley.
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Post by D.A. Ridgely » 31 May 2018, 12:17

Mo wrote:
29 May 2018, 19:37
She does not own the rights.
Source?

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Post by Kwix » 31 May 2018, 14:17

Well crap. I just found out that Fox has cancelled Lucifer. It happened the week that the finale aired. They did this big story arc and left it at a cliffhanger figuring that there was no way Fox would dump them.
My clue was this past Monday's episode was actually two episodes, back to back, and not at all connected to what felt like the season finale (which it was). These "bonus" episodes were filmed for Season 3 and then pushed to now cancelled Season 4. Seems everyone on the social media webz is aware but I, a humble mushroom, was not.
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Re: It's not the size of the screen...

Post by lunchstealer » 31 May 2018, 19:03

Kwix wrote:
31 May 2018, 14:17
Well crap. I just found out that Fox has cancelled Lucifer. It happened the week that the finale aired. They did this big story arc and left it at a cliffhanger figuring that there was no way Fox would dump them.
My clue was this past Monday's episode was actually two episodes, back to back, and not at all connected to what felt like the season finale (which it was). These "bonus" episodes were filmed for Season 3 and then pushed to now cancelled Season 4. Seems everyone on the social media webz is aware but I, a humble mushroom, was not.
My nerd friends - well different nerd than you guys - were all getting the vapors. I'd never had a chance to watch it, but sounds like it was worth keeping compared to some stuff these days.
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Re: It's not the size of the screen...

Post by Jasper » 01 Jun 2018, 10:45

lunchstealer wrote:
31 May 2018, 19:03
Kwix wrote:
31 May 2018, 14:17
Well crap. I just found out that Fox has cancelled Lucifer. It happened the week that the finale aired. They did this big story arc and left it at a cliffhanger figuring that there was no way Fox would dump them.
My clue was this past Monday's episode was actually two episodes, back to back, and not at all connected to what felt like the season finale (which it was). These "bonus" episodes were filmed for Season 3 and then pushed to now cancelled Season 4. Seems everyone on the social media webz is aware but I, a humble mushroom, was not.
My nerd friends - well different nerd than you guys - were all getting the vapors. I'd never had a chance to watch it, but sounds like it was worth keeping compared to some stuff these days.
Wife and I watched maybe the first half of the first season, and it seemed promising. I was skeptical going in since Lucifer is set up as a modern sleazeball dudebro out for kicks that just happens to be the Prince of Darkness, but it was kinda fun to watch the actor chew scenery. I think my wife continued watching it. I saw it more as a fun diversion unless there was something better on.
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Post by Eric the .5b » 07 Jun 2018, 22:47

I watched the just-dropped 8-episode season of Dallas & Robo over on YouTube Red. It's a goofy, crass animated comedy about a former stock-car driver, voiced by Kat Dennings, who's now an irresponsible, dissolute trucker...in space. With a robot sidekick voiced by John Cena.

The fucked-up thing about this show is that it's goofy, crass, seemingly random...and far more thought-out and tightly-written than it has any right to be. There's influence from Futurama, Rick and Morty (particularly in a time-travel episode), and Titan Maximum, and a really good voice cast. (John Cena makes a great straight man.) It's kind of absurd.

Media got weird, this century.
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Post by Warren » 10 Jun 2018, 19:41

I signed up for a 30 day trial of Amazon Prime so I wouldn't have to pay for shipping. I'm trying to make the most of my thirty days by watching prime shows and movies.
I binged the existing 8 episodes of The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel. Anyone watching this?
I'm a bit torn on it. On the one hand I'm a sucker for 40's-70's retro. On the other, back in my 20's, or was it my 30's (who can remember?) I got on a Neil Simon kick with the side effect that in the aftermath I'm burnt out on Jews in a New York apartment.

Viewing the 1960's Greenwich Village coffee house scene through the lens of comedy vice folk music is a welcome variation. I'm digging the exploration of developing comedy and a standup act. Perhaps DAR would find it especially interesting. It's also nice to see Tony Shalhoub in a less cartoon roll than Monk.

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The music is a hoot too. Mostly show tunes but exceptional renditions. Blossom Dearie getting much love.
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Post by Jasper » 11 Jun 2018, 12:51

Watched all 4 episodes of Evil Genius on Netflix this weekend. Really good, and interesting, if you like true crime documentaries in the vein of Making of a Murderer.

Has to do with the pizza delivery guy with an explosive-collar bank heist in Erie PA in 2003.
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Post by Jennifer » 11 Jun 2018, 20:41

The series-finale movie for Sense8 was very confusing and very disappointing.
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Re: It's not the size of the screen...

Post by D.A. Ridgely » 12 Jun 2018, 00:39

Warren wrote:
10 Jun 2018, 19:41
I signed up for a 30 day trial of Amazon Prime so I wouldn't have to pay for shipping. I'm trying to make the most of my thirty days by watching prime shows and movies.
I binged the existing 8 episodes of The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel. Anyone watching this?
I'm a bit torn on it. On the one hand I'm a sucker for 40's-70's retro. On the other, back in my 20's, or was it my 30's (who can remember?) I got on a Neil Simon kick with the side effect that in the aftermath I'm burnt out on Jews in a New York apartment.

Viewing the 1960's Greenwich Village coffee house scene through the lens of comedy vice folk music is a welcome variation. I'm digging the exploration of developing comedy and a standup act. Perhaps DAR would find it especially interesting. It's also nice to see Tony Shalhoub in a less cartoon roll than Monk.

ETA
The music is a hoot too. Mostly show tunes but exceptional renditions. Blossom Dearie getting much love.
I think it's a great show and to steal a Lewis Black phrase, it's the Jewiest of NY Jewish shows, which is also part of its charm. It's not all that bad in its depiction of the early days of contemporary stand-up, either. I eagerly await the next season.

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Post by Warren » 12 Jun 2018, 09:27

D.A. Ridgely wrote:
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It's not all that bad in its depiction of the early days of contemporary stand-up, either. I eagerly await the next season.
There is a nit I feel the need to pick. In the last episode, Lenny brings Midge on stage and she's like "I'm sorry. You came to see him and you have to listen to me first. I promise to make fun of the Pope and read out my court proceedings."
Now what year is this? I haven't been paying that close of attention. There was a conversation about how neither JFK nor RMN would be acceptable as POTUS (SWIDT) making it 1960 at the latest. Which is also consistent with the Lenny Bruce character not yet being strung out on amphetamines.
So when did he start reading his court proceedings on stage? I thought that was something he didn't do till the very end.
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Post by D.A. Ridgely » 12 Jun 2018, 10:50

Warren wrote:
12 Jun 2018, 09:27
D.A. Ridgely wrote:
12 Jun 2018, 00:39
It's not all that bad in its depiction of the early days of contemporary stand-up, either. I eagerly await the next season.
There is a nit I feel the need to pick. In the last episode, Lenny brings Midge on stage and she's like "I'm sorry. You came to see him and you have to listen to me first. I promise to make fun of the Pope and read out my court proceedings."
Now what year is this? I haven't been paying that close of attention. There was a conversation about how neither JFK nor RMN would be acceptable as POTUS (SWIDT) making it 1960 at the latest. Which is also consistent with the Lenny Bruce character not yet being strung out on amphetamines.
So when did he start reading his court proceedings on stage? I thought that was something he didn't do till the very end.
It's a good catch. Bruce didn't become an onstage court stenographer until the last year or two before he "committed suicide," though I suspect he did use his early obscenity busts for material as early as 1961, I don't think they're all that interested in getting Bruce's timeline correctly as they are in using him to contrast the Bob Newhart material** her husband was stealing and to give context to Midge's finding her own comedic voice and her subsequent arrests. Similarly, the composite Phyllis Diller, Joan Rivers and Moms Mabley comedienne is a lesson in professional courtesy and a professional complication for Midge.

Comedy Trivia: Newhart's breakout album, The Button-Down Mind of Bob Newhart, was written before he had ever played in front of an audience. They sold the record to Warner Records, then went out and booked him a nightclub gig where the album was recorded. Shelly Berman always claimed that Newhart stole the phone bit from him, though the idea was probably already in the comedy public domain, but it was Newman's early successful albums that created an entirely new market for standup; namely, record sales. Had there been no hit Newhart albums, there probably never would have been any Bill Cosby albums. Cosby would still have made a living as a comic working clubs and guest shots on Tonight and Sullivan, but it was the word-of-mouth popularity of Bill Cosby is a Very Funny Fellow... Right! that gave him the widespread popular support that led to his being cast in "I Spy".

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Post by Warren » 12 Jun 2018, 11:40

D.A. Ridgely wrote:
12 Jun 2018, 10:50
I don't think they're all that interested in getting Bruce's timeline correctly as they are in using him to contrast the Bob Newhart material** her husband was stealing and to give context to Midge's finding her own comedic voice and her subsequent arrests.
Oh for sure.
D.A. Ridgely wrote:
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Similarly, the composite Phyllis Diller, Joan Rivers and Moms Mabley comedienne is a lesson in professional courtesy and a professional complication for Midge.
Well I think breaking the "rules" of professional courtesy is part of that contrast and the professional complications being part of what pushes modern comedy in new directions. Much like the Redd Foxx et al. "party albums" of black comedians who were blackballed from good clubs and therefore working bluer.
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...but it was Newman's early successful albums that created an entirely new market for standup; namely, record sales. Had there been no hit Newhart albums, there probably never would have been any Bill Cosby albums.
Hmmm I dunno. I don't know the sales figures. Button Down Mind is certainly an historic album, but the likes of Tom Lehrer preceded it.
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Post by D.A. Ridgely » 12 Jun 2018, 12:12

Redd Foxx was the best known, but there had been "party albums" at least as far back as the early to mid 50s and they were, of course, arguably illegal in most states on obscenity grounds.

Lehrer self-recorded and promoted his first "album," though it was subsequently picked up and released commercially, but I can't find any sales figures. The Button-Down Mind of Bob Newhart won Best Album Grammy for 1961 and Newhart won the Best New Artist award. I love Lehrer's songs, but he was sui generis and neither Lehrer nor That Was The Week That Was ever reached the level of popularity and sales of Newhart's early albums. I wasn't saying there were no comedy albums before Button-Down Mind, I was saying it was a commercial game changer for what had previously been a niche market.

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Post by Warren » 12 Jun 2018, 12:30

*one google later*
An Evening with Mike Nichols and Elaine May was also 1960.
The Smothers Brothers at the Purple Onion was 1961.
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Post by D.A. Ridgely » 12 Jun 2018, 13:03

Warren wrote:
12 Jun 2018, 12:30
*one google later*
An Evening with Mike Nichols and Elaine May was also 1960.
The Smothers Brothers at the Purple Onion was 1961.
From a 2008 PBS article about the history of comedy LPs.
... The Button-Down Mind of Bob Newhart was released early in 1960; it zoomed to the top of the charts—not the “comedy” charts, the Billboard charts for all of popular music. “It just went crazy,” said Newhart. “I mean, a year and a half before that I was doing a local man-on-the-street show in Chicago, and I put out this record album, hoping it would sell maybe twenty-five, thirty thousand copies, you know? I was just totally unprepared for the commotion they caused.” Later that year, Warner Bros put out a sequel, The Button-Down Mind Strikes Back!—and that album shot to Number One. In fact, both of Newhart’s albums occupied the top two spots for nearly 30 weeks, a record not surpassed until 1991 when Guns N’Roses took the top two spots. Newhart is a good loser: “And I always say, “Well you hate to lose a record but at least it went to a friend.”

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Post by Warren » 12 Jun 2018, 16:16

Thanks for the link. Lots of good stuff there.
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Post by JD » 20 Jun 2018, 10:32

My wife and I have been watching Claws. I think the best way I can describe it is "Breaking Bad x Fellini x South Florida". It's a lot of fun, although something just happened at the end of S1E5 that is a huge twist that I'm not sure I like.
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Post by Jennifer » 22 Jun 2018, 17:01

Jennifer wrote:
29 May 2018, 19:44
It would be a nice FU to Barr if they killed off the Roseanne character and redid the show as The Conners or something.
Aaaaand they're doing it!

https://www.npr.org/sections/monkeysee/ ... he-conners
ABC canceled its lucrative reboot of Roseanne in late May, after star Roseanne Barr published a tweet that compared Valerie Jarrett, a former aide to President Barack Obama, to an ape. ABC Entertainment president Channing Dungey called the tweet "abhorrent, repugnant and inconsistent with our values." It looked like the network was willing to take a financial hit and part with a successful property in the name of, of all things, principle.

Not so fast.

On Thursday, the network announced that it is picking up the tentatively titled show The Conners. It's a Roseanne-less Roseanne. It went straight to series — meaning it doesn't have to produce a pilot to prove it can work, as other shows would. Instead, it will simply slide into the fall schedule just like it was going to before, except without its star. "Roseanne Barr will have no financial or creative involvement in the new series," according to ABC's press release.....
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Re: It's not the size of the screen...

Post by Eric the .5b » 22 Jun 2018, 17:41

That's demented; I'm not sure whether in the good or bad way.
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Post by Jennifer » 22 Jun 2018, 17:54

Eric the .5b wrote:
22 Jun 2018, 17:41
That's demented; I'm not sure whether in the good or bad way.
I don't know about the other people who watched and liked the new Roseanne, but: for me, at least, it wasn't Roseanne herself who was the draw. (For that matter, I highly doubt I'd've watched the show in the first place if it were a "new" offering.) For me, it was a bit of a nostalgia kick -- the equivalent of "I wouldn't care how so-and-so is doing if he were somebody I just met; I'm only interested in so-and-so because I knew him when we were kids." Provided the show has good writers, I'd still be interested in watching The Conners sans their matriarch--and since the reboot already showed that Roseanne has a prescription opioid addiction, if they want her to die off-screen they already have a plausible and consistent way to do this, in a manner that "addresses" the show's overall theme of "working-class American life kinda sucks nowadays" far better than, say, having her die in an off-screen car accident would.
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