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Re: A Game of ... THEY KILLED WHO?!?!? (hbo spoilers)

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Post by Pham Nuwen » 17 Aug 2017, 18:30

Damn. They even got the packaging correct.
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Post by Warren » 17 Aug 2017, 19:13

Pham Nuwen wrote:
17 Aug 2017, 18:30
Damn. They even got the packaging correct.
Because they used an image of an actual package.
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Post by Jennifer » 19 Aug 2017, 17:50

Jennifer wrote:
16 Aug 2017, 20:14
Warren wrote:
16 Aug 2017, 16:50
I'm buying "The Waif killed Arya" theory.
If we suppose the faceless men and their many faced god (who is called death?) have an agenda regarding the coming war with the dead:
Arya is the vehicle to King Jon and the army of men.
Why Jaqen H'ghar allowed himself to be captured.
Why Arya is able to shape shift even after leaving the House of Black and White and forsaking the many faced god.
Why Nymeria rejected Arya.
In addition to the points MJ raised: why would the waif have killed Walder Frey and his family?
Sudden thought occurred to me, while I was in the middle of doing something completely unrelated to Game of Thrones, or thinking about same: I think the simplest explanation for Arya's strange behavior lately (especially in not-yet-officially-aired episode 6, though I won't go into more detail for fear of spoiling it for people waiting for the official Sunday airing) is this: really shitty writing.

Remember last season, when Arya decided to leave the Faceless Men and then openly strolled around Braavos until she ended up getting stabbed in the gut? And many of us here wonder why Arya would be that stupid, and were positing theories like "Hmm, maybe that wasn't really Arya, but a Faceless Man testing the Waif" or "Maybe that was part of Arya's clever-secret plan, to make the Faceless Men think she had been stabbed to death and thus there was no point in any Faceless continuing to go after her" or things like that? Nope; turned out to just be shitty writing for that episode.
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Post by D.A. Ridgely » 20 Aug 2017, 00:30

And there, in a nutshell, is the entire series of "Lost."

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Post by Fin Fang Foom » 20 Aug 2017, 01:05

I think the show jumped the shark with last season's James Cameron homages.

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Post by Pham Nuwen » 20 Aug 2017, 12:14

Warren wrote:
17 Aug 2017, 19:13
Pham Nuwen wrote:
17 Aug 2017, 18:30
Damn. They even got the packaging correct.
Because they used an image of an actual package.
Dude. No one uses that shit. My pharmacy is crazy busy and the vast majority of plans don't cover the generic. It's almost always viagra itself thanks to the manufacturer discounts. I think we do about 8k Rx's a month and around 10 are sildenafil.
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Post by Pham Nuwen » 20 Aug 2017, 12:14

I was just surprised they knew it was a viagra generic.
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Pham Nuwen wrote:
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I was just surprised they knew it was a viagra generic.
Ah
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Post by Taktix® » 21 Aug 2017, 09:54

The lack of 10-episode seasons is really starting to show in the last two episodes.

"How do we get a dragon in danger north of the wall?"

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Post by Jennifer » 22 Aug 2017, 01:27

It feels both too rushed and too slow. I think going north to kidnap a zombie soldier was a good idea (how else can they try convincing people in the south that the walking dead are a real threat?), and thus having the dragons go north to save Jon 7 Co. worked, but they spent too much of that episode on that. Meanwhile, Arya the Trumpster is wasting time ranting about Sansa's emails, I dunno what that scene with Sansa discovering Arya's cache of faces is supposed to accomplish, and I wish they'd just kill off Littlefinger already because his pointless Machiavellian plotting is getting boring.
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Post by Jennifer » 22 Aug 2017, 17:50

One thing that undeniably sucked about this latest episode ws the timeline, though. With previous episodes this season, it could be possible that "Okay, Euron's travels took only two minutes of screentime, but it actually took him many days or even weeks in Westerosi time," but unless message-ravens and Dany's dragons fly at supersonic speeds, I don't buy that she was able to get that "help us" message in Dragonstone and fly up in time to save the day, all while Jon and his plucky band of adventurers were surrounded by ice-zombies.

Another thing that's bothered me a bit all this season: why hasn't Cersei's hair grown noticeably longer? Hair grows about half an inch a month, and given how very short her hair was after the religious fanatics hacked it off, even an inch or two of growth would be noticeable. How much time passed between the "walk of shame" and her grabbing the throne for herself? How much time has passed since then?
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Post by Pham Nuwen » 27 Aug 2017, 23:45

Holy fucking shit. Finally. Fucking finally.

Goddamn wall has come down. I was there at the very beginning thinking that fucking wall is coming down at the end of the season and 7 years later .... finally comes the fuck down.

Finally. Goddamn.
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Post by Warren » 28 Aug 2017, 13:46

Moar incest is good. But there was an unacceptable lack of tits and beheadings. Doubly so for a "finally" episode.
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Post by Kolohe » 12 Sep 2017, 10:20

It's just a coincidence, right, that καλλίστῃ -> kallisti is close to Khaleesi ? As Khaleesi is a femine form of Khal which is a play off of Khan from the Mongolian/Turkic language families - and not at all indo-european like a greek to english thru line would be?
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Post by Jennifer » 31 Dec 2018, 15:18

After checking my DVR I was delighted to discover HBO apparently decided to re-air the entire series to date, so I've been re-watching it; I'm currently up to the episode after Joffrey's wedding. I am enjoying noticing bits of foreshadowing I missed the first time around (obviously foreshadowing is much easier to notice when you already know what is being foreshadowed), and also, in preparation of the next and final season, wanna try making a prediction of my own: despite Cersei's prediction that she and her fellow southerners needn't worry about the White Walkers until AFTER the WW destroy her northern enemies first, I suspect King's Landing will be one of the first paces attacked by the army of the dead; the Night King is going to fly his zombie dragon over the city. Reason for suspecting this: Dany's vision in the House of the Undying (throne room a burnt-out ruin covered in snow), AND Bran's vision of an aerial view of King's Landing on a sunny day, with the shadow of ONE and only one dragon flying over it.
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Post by Jennifer » 15 Apr 2019, 15:01

So .... am I the only one who was a tad disappointed by last nigh's season premiere? After seven seasons spent arranging the pieces on the game board, I thought they'd actually start to play, but instead they just did more rearranging.
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Post by D.A. Ridgely » 15 Apr 2019, 18:22

Jennifer wrote:
15 Apr 2019, 15:01
So .... am I the only one who was a tad disappointed by last nigh's season premiere? After seven seasons spent arranging the pieces on the game board, I thought they'd actually start to play, but instead they just did more rearranging.
Well, they did have to do a lot of table setting / dinner guests arriving but, yeah, too much hugging and dialogue, too little violence and way too little sex for my tastes.

Besides, the show's history has made us wary of touching reunion scenes investing us emotionally in characters many of which almost certainly won't last through Episode 4, let alone the finale.

I don't recall from anywhere earlier in the series the plot point stated outright in the after-episode segment by the show runners stating only Targaryens can ride dragons, which theoretically should have tipped off Princess Leia that Luke is her brother and not the boy she brought home who the kids think would be an okay new dad. Did I miss or merely forget that?

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Post by Jennifer » 15 Apr 2019, 19:39

D.A. Ridgely wrote:
15 Apr 2019, 18:22
Jennifer wrote:
15 Apr 2019, 15:01
So .... am I the only one who was a tad disappointed by last nigh's season premiere? After seven seasons spent arranging the pieces on the game board, I thought they'd actually start to play, but instead they just did more rearranging.
Well, they did have to do a lot of table setting / dinner guests arriving but, yeah, too much hugging and dialogue, too little violence and way too little sex for my tastes.
The lack of sex and violence wasn't a problem for me; it's the paucity of new information regarding the story. After last night, we know Tormund and some of his companions survived the collapse of the wall, and we know Theon managed to rescue Yara (and it seemed awfully easy, too). Otherwise, I don't think we know much more than we did when the last season ended.
I don't recall from anywhere earlier in the series the plot point stated outright in the after-episode segment by the show runners stating only Targaryens can ride dragons, which theoretically should have tipped off Princess Leia that Luke is her brother and not the boy she brought home who the kids think would be an okay new dad. Did I miss or merely forget that?
I don't remember anything from the show itself to indicate Dany knows this.
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Post by Warren » 15 Apr 2019, 22:11

I dug the hugging and dialogue stuff. The dragon ride was too padded out for my taste.

The rescue of Yara Greyjoy was enjoyably violent. The incineration of the undead was more disturbingly violent than I care for.

As for the sex, it was unsatisfying.
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Post by Taktix® » 16 Apr 2019, 00:44

I enjoyed the nod to the books by bringing in Euron's ship Silence, a red-sailed black ship crewed by mutes because book Euron rips their tongues out when they're pressed into service. (He tells Asha/Yara that he has to talk to her because he crew is all mute or something in s08e01)

The Dany-Sam conflict is completely unnecessary.
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Post by Warren » 16 Apr 2019, 08:38

Taktix® wrote:
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The Dany-Sam conflict is completely unnecessary.
It leads directly to Jon learning his true parentage.
Plus, all scenes with Sam are worth watching.
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Post by Ellie » 16 Apr 2019, 10:26

As I mentioned on Wixenstyx's Facebook, I've never watched the show because I wanted to hold off and finish the book series first. Joke's on me.
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Post by Aresen » 16 Apr 2019, 11:06

Warren wrote:
15 Apr 2019, 22:11
The incineration of the undead was more disturbingly violent than I care for.
They should show more sensitivity to the feelings of undead viewers.
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Post by D.A. Ridgely » 16 Apr 2019, 13:11

Warren wrote:
16 Apr 2019, 08:38
Taktix® wrote:
16 Apr 2019, 00:44
The Dany-Sam conflict is completely unnecessary.
It leads directly to Jon learning his true parentage.
Plus, all scenes with Sam are worth watching.
It also demonstrated, as the show runners discussed in the after-episode segment, Sam's significantly different emotional reaction to news of his brother's execution verses that of his father. Though Sam would have loved to have had his father's respect, he knew they would always be estranged, but he loved his brother without such conflicted feelings, so now he has reservations about Dany, having killed them both, as his queen. Who knows whether that will be a factor in future episodes, but it didn't seem at all gratuitous to me.

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