Iran (so far away)

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If Bolton's intention is to absolutely guarantee that Iran builds nukes, the surest way is to attack Iran.
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Are we at the, “Well of a trade war won’t kill the economy, let’s see what happens when the Straights of Hormuz gets shut down.
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Mo wrote:
15 May 2019, 17:54
Are we at the, “Well of a trade war won’t kill the economy, let’s see what happens when the Straights of Hormuz gets shut down.
The one silver lining to Trump not learning from history is that he won't remember what spiking oil prices and a tanking economy did to the incumbent party in 2008.
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Who knew ‘Straits of Hormuz’ was the Persian term for ‘Gulf of Tonkin’?
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Who knew ‘Straits of Hormuz’ was the Persian term for ‘Gulf of Tonkin’?
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It just seems so transparently obvious though? I haven't dug down more than headlines but what possible motivation does Iran have for doing this sort of thing? Flase flags have to be plausible.
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dead_elvis wrote:
13 Jun 2019, 18:03
It just seems so transparently obvious though? I haven't dug down more than headlines but what possible motivation does Iran have for doing this sort of thing? Flase flags have to be plausible.
I can see an argument that the hard-line religious types in Iran would benefit politically if the US was to act militarily against the Iranian government.
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The thing that makes it stand out as fishy is the fact that one of the ships that was attacked was headed for Japan and Abe was in Iran. At the very least it seems ill timed and the closest it could possibly be are Houthi rebels. OTOH, KSA makes more sense.
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The thing that makes it stand out as fishy is the fact that one of the ships that was attacked was headed for Japan and Abe was in Iran. At the very least it seems ill timed and the closest it could possibly be are Houthi rebels. OTOH, KSA makes more sense.
How dare you suggest our noble, moderate, peaceful allies in the WoT and the War Against Yemen engage in a false flag operation?
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Thing is, everyone must be watching these waters for all sorts of reasons. Does KSA have the covert ops capabilities to do this and not get caught?
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AP wrote:Like in Fujairah, dozens of ships ranging from massive oil tankers to smaller pleasure boats, traditional dhows and cargo vessels ply the waters of the strait and the Gulf of Oman. The navies of Iran, Oman, the UAE and the U.S. regularly patrol, but the waters are vast and lit only by the moonlight at night, allowing small vessels to approach without warning.
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Hugh Akston wrote:
13 Jun 2019, 22:19
AP wrote:Like in Fujairah, dozens of ships ranging from massive oil tankers to smaller pleasure boats, traditional dhows and cargo vessels ply the waters of the strait and the Gulf of Oman. The navies of Iran, Oman, the UAE and the U.S. regularly patrol, but the waters are vast and lit only by the moonlight at night, allowing small vessels to approach without warning.
As opposed to all the large bodies of water with great nighttime lighting?
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Eric the .5b wrote:
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Hugh Akston wrote:
13 Jun 2019, 22:19
AP wrote:Like in Fujairah, dozens of ships ranging from massive oil tankers to smaller pleasure boats, traditional dhows and cargo vessels ply the waters of the strait and the Gulf of Oman. The navies of Iran, Oman, the UAE and the U.S. regularly patrol, but the waters are vast and lit only by the moonlight at night, allowing small vessels to approach without warning.
As opposed to all the large bodies of water with great nighttime lighting?
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So, one advantage of flying killer robots is that shooting one down isn't nearly the escalating thing as a dead pilot splattered all over the evening news.
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Eric the .5b wrote:
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So, one advantage of flying killer robots is that shooting one down isn't nearly the escalating thing as a dead pilot splattered all over the evening news.
The stories I have seen all say it was over the Strait of Hormuz without specifics. The Iranian Revolutionary Guard claims it was in Iranian airspace.

It is obviously possible for both to be true, but if the Iranians are correct, they had every right to do so. (I know there are disputes about where the boundaries are and sometimes international law does not recognize national claims even inside 12 miles.)
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Aresen wrote:
20 Jun 2019, 13:36
Eric the .5b wrote:
20 Jun 2019, 13:13
So, one advantage of flying killer robots is that shooting one down isn't nearly the escalating thing as a dead pilot splattered all over the evening news.
The stories I have seen all say it was over the Strait of Hormuz without specifics. The Iranian Revolutionary Guard claims it was in Iranian airspace.

It is obviously possible for both to be true, but if the Iranians are correct, they had every right to do so. (I know there are disputes about where the boundaries are and sometimes international law does not recognize national claims even inside 12 miles.)
The Strait of Hormuz is only 21 miles wide at its narrowest point, but the reports I've seen give a claimed US position that's not even on the Iranian side of the waterway.

As for right, eh. Countries probe each others' airspace all the time. They don't shoot down manned planes probing their airspace all the time (though they do often harass observation planes outside their airspace). Drones are a different matter, and one that doesn't seem entirely hashed out, yet. Shooting one down is a definite act, but "They broke our machine—you know, one of those things we promote by pointing out how disposable it ultimately is?" isn't a casus belli that's easy to sell.
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Eric the .5b wrote:
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isn't a casus belli that's easy to sell.
Don't need to sell it to people who already pre-ordered it, unfortunately.
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If you fly a spy drone over my house I have zero qualms about filling it with birdshot. If it’s you flying over my house spying in an autogyro, I have qualms.
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I would like to believe Trump changed his mind after considering the consequences, but it's more likely to have been because of acid reflux.
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dbcooper wrote:
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I wonder if this will have an effect on Iran's nuclear program. I'm not sure if China wants to deal with the instability a nuclear Iran would cause.

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Painboy wrote:
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I wonder if this will have an effect on Iran's nuclear program. I'm not sure if China wants to deal with the instability a nuclear Iran would cause.
Or it could empower Iran, because a strike on Iran would also be a strike on Chinese interests.
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