Iran (so far away)

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Post by Mo » 13 Jan 2016, 13:49

Kolohe wrote:Cable news was pretty wall to wall with it from the time the story broke (sometime around 3 or 4 eastern) until the speech itself. They seem to have been released late morning local time, which was when everyone was getting up on the us east coast, which made the story then moot.
We're outraged that they photographed our soldiers bored on Persian rugs.
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Post by Sandy » 13 Jan 2016, 13:51

Mo wrote:We're outraged that they photographed our soldiers bored on Persian rugs.
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Post by Hugh Akston » 03 Aug 2016, 05:43

So apparently the US secretly delivered $400 million in cash to Iran on the same day that the hostages were released. White House says it's a coincidence, and the payment was part of a settlement from an arms deal gone bad with the Shah. Maybe that's true, maybe it's not. What's not in dispute is this little maneuver:
Wooden pallets stacked with euros, Swiss francs and other currencies were flown into Iran on an unmarked cargo plane, according to these officials. The U.S. procured the money from the central banks of the Netherlands and Switzerland, they said.
The $400 million was paid in foreign currency because any transaction with Iran in U.S. dollars is illegal under U.S. law. Sanctions also complicate Tehran’s access to global banks.
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Post by JasonL » 03 Aug 2016, 08:50

That's really not good. Engagement can't mean that. Long term bad effects from that being viewed as policy.

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Post by Aresen » 03 Aug 2016, 11:37

Hugh Akston wrote:So apparently the US secretly delivered $400 million in cash to Iran on the same day that the hostages were released. White House says it's a coincidence, and the payment was part of a settlement from an arms deal gone bad with the Shah. Maybe that's true, maybe it's not. What's not in dispute is this little maneuver:
Wooden pallets stacked with euros, Swiss francs and other currencies were flown into Iran on an unmarked cargo plane, according to these officials. The U.S. procured the money from the central banks of the Netherlands and Switzerland, they said.
The $400 million was paid in foreign currency because any transaction with Iran in U.S. dollars is illegal under U.S. law. Sanctions also complicate Tehran’s access to global banks.
Even if it was completely unconnected with the release of the hostages, the timing was extremely inept.

The MSM seems to be ignoring it.
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Post by Andrew » 03 Aug 2016, 13:23

Something something Reagan did it too.
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Post by Mo » 03 Aug 2016, 14:30

Because it is old news. Those tricksie Obamas, issuing a press release about a secret deal to send money to Iran.
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Post by nicole » 03 Aug 2016, 14:52

Aresen wrote:
Hugh Akston wrote:So apparently the US secretly delivered $400 million in cash to Iran on the same day that the hostages were released. White House says it's a coincidence, and the payment was part of a settlement from an arms deal gone bad with the Shah. Maybe that's true, maybe it's not. What's not in dispute is this little maneuver:
Wooden pallets stacked with euros, Swiss francs and other currencies were flown into Iran on an unmarked cargo plane, according to these officials. The U.S. procured the money from the central banks of the Netherlands and Switzerland, they said.
The $400 million was paid in foreign currency because any transaction with Iran in U.S. dollars is illegal under U.S. law. Sanctions also complicate Tehran’s access to global banks.
Even if it was completely unconnected with the release of the hostages, the timing was extremely inept.

The MSM seems to be ignoring it.
Is the WSJ not the MSM?
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Post by nicole » 03 Aug 2016, 14:53

Mo wrote:Because it is old news. Those tricksie Obamas, issuing a press release about a secret deal to send money to Iran.
But but but, that didn't say they would AIRLIFT CA$H!!!

Srsly though, this is so dumb. Even worse is how everyone's trying to make it sound like we "paid" them rather than just giving their money back after decades of keeping it from them.
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Post by JasonL » 03 Aug 2016, 14:57

Mo wrote:Because it is old news. Those tricksie Obamas, issuing a press release about a secret deal to send money to Iran.
That makes me feel better.

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Post by Mo » 03 Aug 2016, 15:55

This story felt fishy because I knew that I had heard about the $400M cash payment before. It feels very much like the WSJ is publishing old news to distract from Trump's abortion tour.
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Post by thoreau » 03 Aug 2016, 16:20

Mo wrote:Trump's abortion tour.
This election is sufficiently weird that I could actually see him traveling around the country paying for abortions by the end of August.
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Post by Kolohe » 03 Aug 2016, 17:19

thoreau wrote:
Mo wrote:Trump's abortion tour.
This election is sufficiently weird that I could actually see him traveling around the country paying for abortions by the end of August.
We know he hates babies.
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Post by Jennifer » 03 Aug 2016, 17:20

Kolohe wrote:
thoreau wrote:
Mo wrote:Trump's abortion tour.
This election is sufficiently weird that I could actually see him traveling around the country paying for abortions by the end of August.
We know he hates babies.
But he also hates the babies' moms. Maybe he'll compromise: pay for abortions, but only unsafe back-alley ones. "This is the best, classiest coat hanger EVER!"
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Post by D.A. Ridgely » 07 Aug 2016, 02:08

Jennifer wrote:
Kolohe wrote:
thoreau wrote:
Mo wrote:Trump's abortion tour.
This election is sufficiently weird that I could actually see him traveling around the country paying for abortions by the end of August.
We know he hates babies.
But he also hates the babies' moms. Maybe he'll compromise: pay for abortions, but only unsafe back-alley ones. "This is the best, classiest coat hanger EVER!"
Those tiny hands will be an advantage, too.

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Post by Hugh Akston » 16 Aug 2016, 11:03

The Rooskies are flying airstrike missions out of Iran now.
Russia's defence ministry said long-range bombers and fighter jets took off from the Hamedan base in western Iran and "conducted a group air strike against targets of the Islamic State and Jabhat al-Nusra terrorist groups in the provinces of Aleppo, Deir Ezzor and Idlib".
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Post by Mo » 18 Apr 2017, 22:51

That tricksy Obama let Iran get nukes, we're going to tear up this nuclear deal and .... Wait a minute.
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Post by Aresen » 19 Apr 2017, 00:29

Mo wrote:That tricksy Obama let Iran get nukes, we're going to tear up this nuclear deal and .... Wait a minute.
Eleven dimensional diplomatic Calvinball is confusing.
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Post by Hugh Akston » 18 Jul 2017, 16:30

Even after certifying Iran in compliance with the nuclear deal, Trump slaps some sanctions on them for the hell of it anyways.
The U.S. government said it was targeting 18 entities and people for supporting what is said was "illicit Iranian actors or transnational criminal activity."

Those sanctioned had backed Iran's military or Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps by developing drones and military equipment, producing and maintaining boats, and procuring electronic components, it said. Others had "orchestrated the theft of U.S. and Western software programs" sold to Iran's government, the Treasury Department said.
Trump's reservations about the nuclear deal held up the White House's announcement on compliance, a U.S. official said. In the end, Trump agreed reluctantly to recertify the agreement after being advised repeatedly by his top national security aides to do so, another senior U.S. official said.

Behind the scenes, advisers argued that there was no alternative but to recertify the deal for now because the past sanctions regime the United States had with European allies against Iran is no longer in place and unilateral sanctions are not as effective as multilateral ones.
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Post by dbcooper » 12 Nov 2017, 19:31

Slip inside a sleeping bag.

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Post by Kolohe » 30 Dec 2017, 20:59

All I know is, the US govt needs to remain hands off on whatever's going on now, and that would apply if either Trump or Clinton were President.
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Post by Aresen » 30 Dec 2017, 21:25

Kolohe wrote:
30 Dec 2017, 20:59
All I know is, the US govt needs to remain hands off on whatever's going on now, and that would apply if either Trump or Clinton were President.
Your naive optimism is so refreshing in these cynical days. :P
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Post by fyodor » 01 Jan 2018, 13:12

So Trump helped discredit the Iranian opposition by praising it. I'm too shocked to do a proper Casablanca.

Then again, correct me if I'm wrong, but his predecessors all did the same thing, right? Of course, it wasn't so obviously a mistake till it was already done once or twice, one might argue.
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Post by thoreau » 01 Jan 2018, 13:14

We could still undo the damage. Just tell Trump that the Iranian protestors are Muslims and he'll start rage-Tweeting against them.
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Post by thoreau » 02 Jan 2018, 13:50

Meanwhile, my Iranian colleagues are saying that these protests might work to the advantage of Rouhani's even-more-illiberal opponents, rather than to the advantage of liberal reformers.

So it just makes sense that Trump would support them.
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