Iran (so far away)

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Post by Taktix® » 01 Apr 2015, 12:18

Mo wrote:I will acknowledge, however, we should also acknowledge the following:

nuclear Iran > nuclear NoKo
Greater threat? Greater good? Greater beard?
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Re: Iran (so far away)

Post by JasonL » 01 Apr 2015, 13:02

Beard for certain. That's just science.

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Post by D.A. Ridgely » 01 Apr 2015, 13:21

Probably posted elsewhere, too, but still relevant after all these years...


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Post by Mo » 01 Apr 2015, 13:25

Iran's leadership is less crazy than NoKo and more easy to deal with. Heck, I'd say that nuclear Iran is preferable to nuclear Pakistan.
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Post by Aresen » 01 Apr 2015, 16:08

The fundamental(ist) fact is that Iran cannot be prevented from obtaining nukes if it is determined to do so.

Israel and the US can bomb and attack the above-ground sites like Isfahan and set them back a few years.

That will only make them more determined to build nukes but they will use places too deep for even the "earthquake bombs" to get at the site. Then they will be back with nukes and really pissed off about all the civilians that died in Isfahan and other places.

(Oh. And anyone who tried to be 'moderate' towards the West will either be dead or in prison.)
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Post by thoreau » 05 Apr 2015, 13:31

The more I think about it, the biggest benefit of keeping Iran from building a nuke is not the danger of Iran having nukes but the danger of Iran's neighbors building nukes in response. I could, if absolutely necessary, stomach the idea of a Persian nuclear program, but Saudi princes with nukes? Oh fuck no. Not even fucking going there. The one war I might actually support would be a war to keep Saudi princes from getting nukes. And while I can't see Iran ever becoming a failed state, I can totally see Saudi Arabia becoming a failed state with princes auctioning off all of the state's assets on eBay. No. Fucking. Way.

If keeping Iran from getting nukes keeps Saudi Arabia from going there, then good.
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Post by Hugh Akston » 05 Apr 2015, 14:58

Is there some particular reason why a nucular Saudi Arabia is beyond the pale?
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Post by Aresen » 05 Apr 2015, 15:04

Hugh Akston wrote:Is there some particular reason why a nucular Saudi Arabia is beyond the pale?
Aside from the fact that, when it comes to nuclear proliferation, it is a case of the more the scarier, there is the fact that the House of Saud has sponsored the most extreme forms of Islamic fundamentalism for generations. If (when?) the House of Saud finally meets the headsman, the successor regime is going to look a lot like Isis.
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Post by Jennifer » 06 Apr 2015, 07:57

Fear not; if the Saudis get nukes, we'll just invade Iraq again. The old excuses for why torture and pre-emptive invasion are okay when America does it were getting stale, anyway.
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Post by Sandy » 06 Apr 2015, 11:31

thoreau wrote:The more I think about it, the biggest benefit of keeping Iran from building a nuke is not the danger of Iran having nukes but the danger of Iran's neighbors building nukes in response.
Like Isra-- oh.
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Post by dbcooper » 14 May 2015, 06:33

Slip inside a sleeping bag.

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Post by thoreau » 14 May 2015, 11:02

This creates a dilemma. On the one hand, the Saudi royals are a bunch of lying, hypocritical, medieval thugs who would betray their own mother to her face just for shits and giggles. So I don't want to reward bad behavior by giving them a chance to throw a monkey wrench into a major nuclear deal.

On the other hand, everything I just wrote is exactly why the world should do whatever it takes to keep the Saudis from getting nukes.
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Post by fyodor » 14 May 2015, 11:05

Just seems like a matter of time before they all have 'em, from Burundi to Liechtenstein to the Marshall Islands.
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Post by Jennifer » 14 May 2015, 11:35

Saudi Arabia is doing something potentially harmful to America? Oh, hell. Does that mean we're going to invade Iraq again?
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Post by Aresen » 14 May 2015, 11:47

fyodor wrote:Just seems like a matter of time before they all have 'em, from Burundi to Liechtenstein to the Marshall Islands.
For some, it is a fairly deliberate calculation NOT to get them. Too much initial investment and too much effort to control and maintain.

Really, I think nukes are about the worst bargain as a weapons system for any country other than a superpower. Even worse than an F35.
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Post by Fin Fang Foom » 14 May 2015, 11:49

Jennifer wrote:Saudi Arabia is doing something potentially harmful to America? Oh, hell. Does that mean we're going to invade Iraq again?
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Jennifer wrote:Saudi Arabia is doing something potentially harmful to America? Oh, hell. Does that mean we're going to invade Iraq again?
We have to wait until we get another Bush in the White House.
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Post by thoreau » 14 May 2015, 11:54

Aresen wrote:Really, I think nukes are about the worst bargain as a weapons system for any country other than a superpower.
Or a country that a superpower might take an interest in invading.
tr0g wrote:
Jennifer wrote:Saudi Arabia is doing something potentially harmful to America? Oh, hell. Does that mean we're going to invade Iraq again?
We have to wait until we get another Bush in the White House.
That will be awesome, because it will coincide with the Blues' rediscovery of anti-war sentiment.
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Post by lunchstealer » 14 May 2015, 14:21

tr0g wrote:
Jennifer wrote:Saudi Arabia is doing something potentially harmful to America? Oh, hell. Does that mean we're going to invade Iraq again?
We have to wait until we get another Bush in the White House.
So, 20 months?
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Post by Hugh Akston » 14 May 2015, 14:36

thoreau wrote:
tr0g wrote:
Jennifer wrote:Saudi Arabia is doing something potentially harmful to America? Oh, hell. Does that mean we're going to invade Iraq again?
We have to wait until we get another Bush in the White House.
That will be awesome, because it will coincide with the Blues' rediscovery of anti-war sentiment.
Not if that Bush's last name is Clinton.
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Post by Taktix® » 14 May 2015, 15:07

Hugh Akston wrote:
thoreau wrote:
tr0g wrote:
Jennifer wrote:Saudi Arabia is doing something potentially harmful to America? Oh, hell. Does that mean we're going to invade Iraq again?
We have to wait until we get another Bush in the White House.
That will be awesome, because it will coincide with the Blues' rediscovery of anti-war sentiment.
Not if that Bush's last name is Clinton.
So, 20 years then?
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Post by fyodor » 14 May 2015, 16:27

thoreau wrote:
Aresen wrote:Really, I think nukes are about the worst bargain as a weapons system for any country other than a superpower.
Or a country that a superpower might take an interest in invading.
tr0g wrote:
Jennifer wrote:Saudi Arabia is doing something potentially harmful to America? Oh, hell. Does that mean we're going to invade Iraq again?
We have to wait until we get another Bush in the White House.
That will be awesome, because it will coincide with the Blues' rediscovery of anti-war sentiment.
Which always galvanizes into a formidable opposition! ;)
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Post by Mo » 26 May 2015, 16:11

Lindsay Graham wrote: Everything I know about the Iranians I learned at the pool room. I met a lot of liars, and I know the Iranians are lying.
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Post by thoreau » 26 May 2015, 16:14

Mo wrote:
Lindsay Graham wrote: Everything I know about the Iranians I learned at the pool room. I met a lot of liars, and I know the Iranians are lying.
That's dumber than a stoned frat boy.
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Post by Hugh Akston » 26 May 2015, 16:23

Lindsey Graham is gonna make us pine for the days when we could just blame Senatorial chickenhawking on Grandpa McCain's PTSD.
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