Rand Paul.....sigh.

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Post by Mo » 22 Dec 2017, 16:39

What I don't get is that Congressional Republicans are getting closer to Trump as his popularity wanes. This makes no sense. When Obama's popularity was waning, the Dems ran for the doors.
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Post by Fin Fang Foom » 22 Dec 2017, 17:08

Mo wrote:
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What I don't get is that Congressional Republicans are getting closer to Trump as his popularity wanes. This makes no sense. When Obama's popularity was waning, the Dems ran for the doors.
I think that Republican politicians and their donors are probably politically much dumber than we thought.

Some, however, probably are making a wise choice for their careers, trying to avoid getting primaries.

That doesn't make sense for Paul, though, since he won't be up until 2022.

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Post by Jadagul » 22 Dec 2017, 17:22

I think this might be an example of the "you do a favor for a person and then _you_ like _them_ more" principle.

The Republicans feel tied to trump, so the more embattled he is the more they have to fight for him.

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Post by Eric the .5b » 22 Dec 2017, 17:25

Jadagul wrote:
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I think this might be an example of the "you do a favor for a person and then _you_ like _them_ more" principle.

The Republicans feel tied to trump, so the more embattled he is the more they have to fight for him.
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Post by JasonL » 23 Dec 2017, 08:45

I think it’s the glow of “we did one thing”.

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Post by Kolohe » 25 Dec 2017, 08:49

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Post by thoreau » 25 Dec 2017, 09:58

Kolohe wrote:
Points!
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Post by Shem » 23 Apr 2018, 17:40

Profiles in Courage: feat. Rand Paul
Sen. Rand Paul, a Kentucky Republican, said Monday he would back CIA Director Mike Pompeo to be secretary of state after getting what he said were assurances about Iraq and Afghanistan. Paul had previously opposed Pompeo's nomination.
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Post by lunchstealer » 23 Apr 2018, 19:42

Shem wrote:
23 Apr 2018, 17:40
Profiles in Courage: feat. Rand Paul
Sen. Rand Paul, a Kentucky Republican, said Monday he would back CIA Director Mike Pompeo to be secretary of state after getting what he said were assurances about Iraq and Afghanistan. Paul had previously opposed Pompeo's nomination.
Note that it doesn't say he got assurances. It says he got something he decided to call assurances. I feel like that was a conscious decision on his part.
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Post by thoreau » 23 Apr 2018, 19:46

If this is what a libertarian and non-interventionist Senator looks like, I'd hate to see what a hawkish, statist Senator does.
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Post by Jadagul » 23 Apr 2018, 19:55

I do wonder if some of this is a case where he's decided the fight is lost and so he doesn't want to spend political capital on it. I think three Democratic senators have caved?

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Post by Kolohe » 23 Apr 2018, 19:57

Spending political capital on lost causes is the entire Paul family brand!
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Post by Warren » 23 Apr 2018, 20:00

thoreau wrote:
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If this is what a libertarian and non-interventionist Senator looks like, I'd hate to see what a hawkish, statist Senator does.
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Post by Kwix » 23 Apr 2018, 20:18

Warren wrote:
23 Apr 2018, 20:00
thoreau wrote:
23 Apr 2018, 19:46
If this is what a libertarian and non-interventionist Senator looks like, I'd hate to see what a hawkish, statist Senator does.
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Post by dhex » 23 Apr 2018, 20:22

rand paul is kind of a piece of shit and i think everyone needs to be ok with that.
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Post by Warren » 23 Apr 2018, 20:24

dhex wrote:
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rand paul is kind of a piece of shit and i think everyone needs to be ok with that.
Why not? You're kind of a piece of shit and we're okay with that.
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Post by Andrew » 24 Apr 2018, 14:24

Smithers, I'm beginning to think Rand Paul is not the committed opponent of governmental power I thought he was.

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Post by Painboy » 24 Apr 2018, 21:56

dhex wrote:
23 Apr 2018, 20:22
rand paul is kind of a piece of shit and i think everyone needs to be ok with that.
In the context that all politicians are pieces of shit and he's a slightly smaller piece of shit I can agree.

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Post by Eric the .5b » 25 Apr 2018, 00:04

Painboy wrote:
24 Apr 2018, 21:56
dhex wrote:
23 Apr 2018, 20:22
rand paul is kind of a piece of shit and i think everyone needs to be ok with that.
In the context that all politicians are pieces of shit and he's a slightly smaller piece of shit I can agree.
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Post by Taktix® » 25 Apr 2018, 01:25

Painboy wrote:
24 Apr 2018, 21:56
dhex wrote:
23 Apr 2018, 20:22
rand paul is kind of a piece of shit and i think everyone needs to be ok with that.
In the context that all politicians are pieces of shit and he's a slightly smaller piece of shit I can agree.
No, I'm squarely on the dhex xpress on this one.

Rand has gone full-on Trump sycophant to the point where he doesn't even sound libertarianish anymore. Trump has often spouted rhetoric that sounds like the little hairy creature that would be in the middle between libertarian and tea party and I think Rand swallowed it up thoroughly...
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Post by Jake » 25 Apr 2018, 01:53

Painboy wrote:
24 Apr 2018, 21:56
In the context that all politicians are pieces of shit and he's a slightly smaller piece of shit I can agree.
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Post by Painboy » 25 Apr 2018, 01:56

Taktix® wrote:
25 Apr 2018, 01:25
Painboy wrote:
24 Apr 2018, 21:56
dhex wrote:
23 Apr 2018, 20:22
rand paul is kind of a piece of shit and i think everyone needs to be ok with that.
In the context that all politicians are pieces of shit and he's a slightly smaller piece of shit I can agree.
No, I'm squarely on the dhex xpress on this one.

Rand has gone full-on Trump sycophant to the point where he doesn't even sound libertarianish anymore. Trump has often spouted rhetoric that sounds like the little hairy creature that would be in the middle between libertarian and tea party and I think Rand swallowed it up thoroughly...
This sounds like you're letting the perfect be the enemy of the good.* He's a politician. If he wants to get anything done he has to make compromises. Sure he could be like his dad but what good did that accomplish? Other than trolling some republicans in the primary not much. I'm not sure what some of you are expecting him to do.


*Okay "good" may be a little strong but you get the point.

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Post by Painboy » 25 Apr 2018, 01:57

Jake wrote:
25 Apr 2018, 01:53
Painboy wrote:
24 Apr 2018, 21:56
In the context that all politicians are pieces of shit and he's a slightly smaller piece of shit I can agree.
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Sorry Jake. I was just trying to run with the metaphor. :(

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Post by Jennifer » 25 Apr 2018, 01:59

Painboy wrote:
25 Apr 2018, 01:56
Sure he could be like his dad but what good did that accomplish?
For that matter, what good has Rand accomplished? Every time he gives in to Trump I hear people excuse it by saying "Yeah, well, this isn't worth expending political capital on" -- well, when the hell IS he going to expend political capital on anything?

I note, by the way, that next month is the eight-year anniversary of the start of this thread. Dude's been sigh-worthy for that long now.
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