Skynet in the sky: The Flying Killer Robot thread

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Post by Dangerman » 03 Jun 2015, 16:59

William Gibson wrote: They sent a slamhound on Turner's trail in New Delhi, slotted it to his pheromones and the color of his hair. It caught up with him on a street called Chandni Chauk and came scrambling for his rented BMW through a forest of bare brown legs and pedicab tires. Its core was a kilogram of recrystallized hexogene and flaked TNT.

He didn't see it coming. The last he saw of India was the pink stucco facade of a place called the Khush-Oil Hotel.

Because he had a good agent, he had a good contract. Because he had a good contract, he was in Singapore an hour after the explosion. Most of him, anyway. The Dutch surgeon liked to joke about that, how an unspecified percentage of Turner hadn't made it out of Palam International on that first flight and had to spend the night there in a shed, in a support vat.

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Post by Jennifer » 29 Jul 2015, 16:41

There will need to be some decisions made in the very near future, regarding drone rights vs. property and privacy rights. This is a story Wine Commonsewer posted on FB: assholes with a camera drone were hovering over people's backyards while they were sunbathing (not passing over, but hovering), even going low enough to look underneath a patio canopy, one man shot it down when it came over his property, and he was arrested. The drone owners face no charges at all.

http://www.wdrb.com/story/29650818/loui ... down-drone

Apparently, given the current legal status quo, it would be (at least in some states) legal for me to take a camera drone, hover it over your family's heads while you're trying to relax in your own backyard ... and presumably, so long as the drone stays above the level of your heads there's nothing you can legally do in response? WTF?
WDRB News spoke with Merideth Tuesday afternoon, and he gave his side of the story.

"Sunday afternoon, the kids – my girls – were out on the back deck, and the neighbors were out in their yard," Merideth said. "And they come in and said, 'Dad, there’s a drone out here, flying over everybody’s yard.'"

Merideth's neighbors saw it too.

"It was just hovering above our house and it stayed for a few moments and then she finally waved and it took off," said neighbor Kim VanMeter.

VanMeter has a 16-year-old daughter who lays out at their pool. She says a drone hovering with a camera is creepy and weird.

"I just think you should have privacy in your own backyard," she said.

Merideth agrees and said he had to go see for himself.

“Well, I came out and it was down by the neighbor’s house, about 10 feet off the ground, looking under their canopy that they’ve got under their back yard," Merideth said. "I went and got my shotgun and I said, ‘I’m not going to do anything unless it’s directly over my property.’"

That moment soon arrived, he said.
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Re: Skynet in the sky: The Flying Killer Robot thread

Post by Highway » 29 Jul 2015, 16:51

Arrested? Cause that's totally something to arrest someone who never left his property and only harmed someone else's device that was sent onto his own property. I can see maybe he was arrested for using a shotgun in a residential area...

So extending the camera part, it's fine if I take a camera on a stick and put it over a privacy fence to take pictures of you in your yard?
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Post by lunchstealer » 29 Jul 2015, 19:34

Highway wrote:Arrested? Cause that's totally something to arrest someone who never left his property and only harmed someone else's device that was sent onto his own property. I can see maybe he was arrested for using a shotgun in a residential area...

So extending the camera part, it's fine if I take a camera on a stick and put it over a privacy fence to take pictures of you in your yard?
Depends on the charges. Unlawful discharge of a weapon within city limits is a thing. Lots of places will throw you in the pokey for shooting a varmint in your own yard, and I could see a drone being a varmint. In this case, it looks like they used some kind of shooting into the air as reckless endangerment charge, on the theory that the pellets might hurt someone where they come down. If it were a rifle or a handgun, I'd probably agree, but birdshot drops to terminal velocity pretty quickly, so the worst it would likely do is crack somebody's windshield or the like.

Still, it seems like there is an invasion of privacy thing, especially given how low it was flying, and the obvious we're-looking-at-you-in-your-back-yard thing. I recall a case where police showed up at someone's house to cite them for public nudity for topless sunbathing in their back yard. They told the police officers that the back yard was private, and that nobody could possibly see them back there. The cops went out, looked around, and saw a neighbor standing on the roof with binoculars. They cited the watcher for invasion of privacy and went on from there.

However, I know that the whole Streisand Effect was named after Barbara Streisand's maniacal demands that aerial photos taken for a coastal erosion survey be removed from a California website because they also showed her backyard, and she claimed that that was an invasion of privacy, and the fact that almost no one knew they existed until she complained publicly, and then everyone found out about it and a bunch more people downloaded the photo who wouldn't have known about it before.

So there's got to be a balance somewhere between operating a drone that flies around and may see things, and operating it in such a way that it clearly violates the privacy of someone's back yard. However, they may not be able to do that if the neighbors' back porch and the swimming pool could reasonably be seen from the other point, because that would make them outdoor places in public view, rather than private spaces. However, even if someone's in plain view through their window, that's still invasion of privacy if you make any serious effort to watch them.
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Post by Eric the .5b » 29 Jul 2015, 21:08

A throwable net might work better for dealing with low-flying drones. Maybe some kind of bolas.
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Post by thoreau » 29 Jul 2015, 21:21

Trained falcons.
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Post by Mo » 29 Jul 2015, 21:57

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Post by lunchstealer » 30 Jul 2015, 00:49

thoreau wrote:Trained falcons.
You laugh.



The snackstealer got one of these for Christmas a few years back, and while we were out in my folks back yard learning to fly it, a sharp-shinned hawk came out of the trees and tried to snatch it.
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Post by Eric the .5b » 30 Jul 2015, 13:43

There are videos of raptor attacks on quadcopters, too. I'd be concerned about injury to the bird, though.

Maybe anti-drone drones.
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Post by thoreau » 30 Jul 2015, 13:44

If the drone flies low enough to peek through a window under the porch awning, a baseball bat will do.
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Post by Aresen » 30 Jul 2015, 16:11

Throwable net with bolas is a good idea.

Capture the damned thing and see who comes to claim it. Phone your lawyer and see how many charges you can throw at the guy under the myriad regulations that exist.
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Post by Dangerman » 30 Jul 2015, 18:43

Eric the .5b wrote:There are videos of raptor attacks on quadcopters, too. I'd be concerned about injury to the bird, though.

Maybe anti-drone drones.
You've got two great ideas, so how about a drone that drops a net onto the other drone?

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Post by Eric the .5b » 30 Jul 2015, 19:39

Dangerman wrote:
Eric the .5b wrote:There are videos of raptor attacks on quadcopters, too. I'd be concerned about injury to the bird, though.

Maybe anti-drone drones.
You've got two great ideas, so how about a drone that drops a net onto the other drone?
Dropping's too fiddly. Maybe a butterfly-style net hanging from the drone, or grappling hooks.
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Post by Warren » 30 Jul 2015, 20:53

Eric the .5b wrote:
Dangerman wrote:
Eric the .5b wrote:There are videos of raptor attacks on quadcopters, too. I'd be concerned about injury to the bird, though.

Maybe anti-drone drones.
You've got two great ideas, so how about a drone that drops a net onto the other drone?
Dropping's too fiddly. Maybe a butterfly-style net hanging from the drone, or grappling hooks.
You're refighting the last war. Obviously it should release a swarm of gnat sized mini-drones.
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Post by Eric the .5b » 30 Jul 2015, 20:58

Warren wrote:
Eric the .5b wrote:
Dangerman wrote:
Eric the .5b wrote:There are videos of raptor attacks on quadcopters, too. I'd be concerned about injury to the bird, though.

Maybe anti-drone drones.
You've got two great ideas, so how about a drone that drops a net onto the other drone?
Dropping's too fiddly. Maybe a butterfly-style net hanging from the drone, or grappling hooks.
You're refighting the last war. Obviously it should release a swarm of gnat sized mini-drones.
You're clearly fighting the Cold War as a DoD contractor. :P
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Post by Jennifer » 30 Jul 2015, 21:01

If it's low enough to peek under a patio privacy canopy, then you probably could touch it with a ten-foot pole. Given that this guy was arrested specifically for firing a gun, I wonder if it would be legal to knock down and destroy a drone that way? I'd claim self-defense -- I have no idea whose drone that is or what dangerous weapons might be on it, after all. What if it's one of those al-Qaeda terrorist drones?

Jokes aside, if a drone came hovering low in my fenced-in backyard it genuinely would scare the hell out of me.
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Post by Eric the .5b » 30 Jul 2015, 21:04

A plain old butterfly net would work in that case. Or else one of those handheld fishing nets.
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Post by Mo » 30 Jul 2015, 21:49

If the drone is over your property and impedes your enjoyment of it, below a certain level, you can nail the owner for trespassing
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Post by thoreau » 30 Jul 2015, 21:53

Put something stinky on the drone and send it back to its owner.
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Post by Sandy » 30 Jul 2015, 23:51

thoreau wrote:Put something stinky on the drone and send it back to its owner.
Print out goatse or tubgirl, capture it, affix an arm with the image at a suitable distance from the lens, and release it. Then listen for the scream.
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Post by Ellie » 31 Jul 2015, 10:25

Warren wrote:
Eric the .5b wrote:
Dangerman wrote:
Eric the .5b wrote:There are videos of raptor attacks on quadcopters, too. I'd be concerned about injury to the bird, though.

Maybe anti-drone drones.
You've got two great ideas, so how about a drone that drops a net onto the other drone?
Dropping's too fiddly. Maybe a butterfly-style net hanging from the drone, or grappling hooks.
You're refighting the last war. Obviously it should release a swarm of gnat sized mini-drones.
:lol: :lol:
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Post by Dangerman » 31 Jul 2015, 11:50

Eric the .5b wrote:A plain old butterfly net would work in that case. Or else one of those handheld fishing nets.
My prototype would have a small motorized spool of monofilament with a fishing weight and a down-looking camera for target acquisition. Hover above and drop the line until it fouls the props.

Sort of killer satellite model in and of that my unit may not be coming home in one piece...

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Post by Hugh Akston » 20 Aug 2015, 17:04

Pentagon plans to increase number of daily drone flights by 50% over the next 4 years.
The plan to increase by 50% the number of daily drone flights would broaden surveillance and intelligence collection in such locales as Ukraine, Iraq, Syria, the South China Sea and North Africa, said the official, who provided exclusive details of the plan to The Wall Street Journal. It would be the first significant increase in the U.S. drone program since 2011, reflecting pressure on military efforts to address a cascading series of global crises.
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Post by Kolohe » 20 Aug 2015, 18:15

Most of them are too busy shooting at each other to notice.
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Post by Taktix® » 28 Aug 2015, 07:31

Welp, that's it. Cops in ND are arming drones. It was nice knowing you guys. And by "you guys" I mean "humanity"...
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