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Post by Warren » 03 May 2012, 14:23

Mo wrote:
fyodor wrote:Yeah but that's a general thing*. Why target Paul supporters?

*Once again someone else says what I did but with fewer words.
Basically because it's a novel* tactic being used by Paul. I'm not saying that Paul supporters are more hypocritical than any X candidate. Though I think the tactic is suspicious and counter-productive in the long run (It opens them up to accusations that he couldn't win in a fair election and had to rely on backroom shenanigans).

dhex has a valid point.

* At least to me.
It's only novel to you because you've never gotten more involved in primary politics than to vote and read the returns reported in the press. This is very much SOP, though Paul has gone "all in" on what is generally one piece of a campaign fought on multiple fronts. When Paul ran in 08 he was robbed of many delegates.
Wikipedia wrote:In Missouri, some 145 "suspected" Ron Paul supporters were barred from participating in the state selection process or from being delegates to the national convention by local GOP party leaders. This has led to accusations of procedural violations on the part of state GOP leaders by Republican voters.
Note that the GOP establishment actually violated it's own bylaws in order to game the results. Paul does not have the allies in the GOP leadership to pull off that sort of blatant cheating. Everything that he's doing is in accordance with the rules of the game. Rules deliberately written to prevent anyone from doing what he's trying to do. It's like the MIT blackjack team going to Vegas and taking money off the casinos.
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Post by fyodor » 03 May 2012, 14:31

Mo wrote:
fyodor wrote:Yeah but that's a general thing*. Why target Paul supporters?

*Once again someone else says what I did but with fewer words.
Basically because it's a novel* tactic being used by Paul. I'm not saying that Paul supporters are more hypocritical than any X candidate. Though I think the tactic is suspicious and counter-productive in the long run (It opens them up to accusations that he couldn't win in a fair election and had to rely on backroom shenanigans).

dhex has a valid point.

* At least to me.
Well thanks for clearing that up that you're not accusing Paul's supporters of any special hypocrisy. FWIW, I believe targetting Paul's supporters the way you originally did would imply to most people that there's some reason to hold them especially accountable for the double standard you cited. Everything else you just said on this matter, and all its attendent criticism of Paul, might have complete validity and as such might be worth addressing in its own right (I admit I don't entirely understand the issue, and I don't know if I'm especially interested to), but that's all entirely aside from what you seemed to be implying in your prior post.
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Post by Kolohe » 03 May 2012, 15:54

Well, Paul's supporters ain't going be sucessful, so there is that.
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Post by Warren » 03 May 2012, 15:58

Kolohe wrote:Well, Paul's supporters ain't going be sucessful, so there is that.
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Post by Kolohe » 03 May 2012, 16:03

Yes, the punting unit does move the ball down the field. :)
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Post by JasonL » 03 May 2012, 16:05

Warren wrote:
Kolohe wrote:Well, Paul's supporters ain't going be sucessful, so there is that.
You don't have to score a touchdown to be successful. We've already succeeded in moving the ball down field. Every additional yard is further success.
I have a more dim view. The language of libertarianism has been harnessed but not actual motivation toward libertarian policies. I would feel differently if there were any actual progress on a spending consensus even among the TP right or Paul supporters. People like to say roll back government but what they really seem to want is lower taxes and the same government.

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Post by Eric the .5b » 06 May 2012, 19:13

I get the impression I'm supposed to be excited about Ron Paul getting some states after the Red Race is already over.
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Post by Hugh Akston » 06 May 2012, 20:28

Eric the .5b wrote:I get the impression I'm supposed to be excited about Ron Paul getting some states after the Red Race is already over.
Eh. I can appreciate Todd Helton's grand slam even if the Rockies ultimately lose the game.
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Post by JasonL » 07 May 2012, 08:51

It's more of a dribbler single, no?

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Post by Shem » 07 May 2012, 12:31

Eh, be fair, it's a stand-up double off a pitcher who's been going for 7 innings.
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Post by JasonL » 07 May 2012, 12:58

What's his ERA? Is he a lefty with heat?

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Post by dhex » 07 May 2012, 13:33

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Post by Ayn_Randian » 08 May 2012, 07:29

dhex wrote:
oh em gee. I see that it's the original singer, too.

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Post by JD » 18 May 2012, 10:30

Last night I went to an event featuring Brian Doherty being interviewed by Todd Seavey and talking about his new book on Ron Paul. It was supposed to be held in a bar, but the bar is not yet open for business due to construction delays, so it was held in the bar owner's living room instead.

Doherty's an interesting guy who's been following politics long enough and closely enough to have some good observations about how the process works. The event was pretty well attended - maybe 30+ people. The crowd was actually about 1/4 to 1/3 female (and about 1/3 bearded, middle-aged male computer programmers, lest you think that demographic is underrepresented in libertarian politics) and there were a few Black attendees as well.

One of the more interesting points of the evening was when Seavey asked the crowd, assuming that it's Romney vs. Obama with Gary Johnson as the LP candidate, who would vote for Johnson? Would anyone vote for Romney? Would anyone vote for Obama? (No on both.) Who would just stay home? Who would vote for Ron Paul anyway? I actually spoke up for the last option, although more to defend it in hypothetical terms than as something I'm really likely to do. Later I got into an interesting discussion with a guy who criticized Paul from the angle that he's like a court jester - he can say unpopular things precisely because nobody is taking him very seriously.
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Post by D.A. Ridgely » 18 May 2012, 10:35

JD wrote: Later I got into an interesting discussion with a guy who criticized Paul from the angle that he's like a court jester - he can say unpopular things precisely because nobody is taking him very seriously.
Which is true enough as far as it goes. But it's a chicken/egg phenomenon. Paul became a congressman who, even with considerable seniority, wasn't taken seriously precisely because he kept saying unpopular things and voting accordingly.

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Post by JD » 18 May 2012, 10:39

Oh, and I forgot to mention: Nick Gillespie was there too, and I got to talk to him for a while (and he gave me a free beer later, dunno why) and a few other Reason and Reason.tv-affiliated people were there. Apparently the video of the interview will be up online somewhere soon if anyone's interested.
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Post by Warren » 18 May 2012, 11:13

Did you touch The Jacket?
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Post by JD » 18 May 2012, 11:52

Warren wrote:Did you touch The Jacket?
I don't believe he was wearing (or should I say, hosting) The Jacket last night. But I can assure you he is every bit as dreamy in person as you might imagine.
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Post by D.A. Ridgely » 18 May 2012, 12:05

JD wrote:
Warren wrote:Did you touch The Jacket?
I don't believe he was wearing (or should I say, hosting) The Jacket last night. But I can assure you he is every bit as dreamy in person as you might imagine.
Dreamy in, I presume, a Freddy Krueger sort of way.

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Post by Hugh Akston » 18 May 2012, 12:57

Did you mention that you hail from grylliade? That can give you some cache with Reasonites.
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Post by Mo » 18 May 2012, 13:06

Hugh Akston wrote:Did you mention that you hail from grylliade? That can give you some cache with Reasonites.
However, they still won't fuck you.
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Post by Eric the .5b » 18 May 2012, 13:09

Hugh Akston wrote:Did you mention that you hail from grylliade? That can give you some cache with Reasonites.
Or an "I will not fuck you, either." :D

I might vote for Johnson if he runs a stellar campaign (which, by LP standards, would mean "a campaign that anyone actually notices"). Otherwise, screw that Tuesday.
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Post by Mo » 18 May 2012, 13:21

I'm voting Johnson pretty much no matter what. I've long been a fan of his and wanted him to run for national office. I almost feel obligated to vote for him (much in the way I had to donate to Paul's campaign in 2008).
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Post by Sandy » 18 May 2012, 13:26

Mo wrote:I'm voting Johnson pretty much no matter what. I've long been a fan of his and wanted him to run for national office. I almost feel obligated to vote for him (much in the way I had to donate to Paul's campaign in 2008).
This.
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Post by JD » 18 May 2012, 13:54

Hugh Akston wrote:Did you mention that you hail from grylliade? That can give you some cache with Reasonites.
I did not, although I was flattered that Nick actually remembered me from previous events. And I told someone the "I'm not going to fuck you" story, and he got a good laugh out of it.
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