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Warren wrote:
31 May 2020, 15:34
And that's just when they add the last clause on. Most of the time, "by a police officer" isn't present. Just "A bystander was struck and knocked to the ground".
That's different. That's not merely a change in voice.
Except in these cases, the passive voice is the only reason it's possible to remove the police officer and still have a grammatically complete sentence (absolute-minimum requirements: noun plus verb). Going back to Highway's original two examples -- "A bystander was struck and knocked to the ground by a police officer" (passive) vs. "A police officer struck a bystander, knocking him to the ground" (active) -- what are you left with if you remove the police-officer clause from each?

"A bystander was struck and knocked to the ground" -- yes, that is a complete sentence. Since it's passive voice, the verbs or verb phrases "struck" and "knocked to the ground" don't require a noun: it's grammatically sufficient to know these things happened, without knowing who or what did them. The be-verb "was" is the key verb in that sentence, and "bystander" is the noun it goes with.

"Struck a bystander, knocking him to the ground" -- no, that's not a complete sentence and doesn't even make sense as a fragment: in the active voice, you need a noun to go with the verbs, because it's not enough that "these things happened"; active voice requires identifying who or what did those things or committed those actions.

Like the cliched politician semi-admitting wrongdoing: "Mistakes were made" (no mention by whom) rather than "I made a mistake."
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Just a general question, really...

We left CNN on long enough last night that Anderson Cooper came on.

Has he always editorialized for the first 5 - 10 minutes of his show? I mean, I was under the impression he was supposed to be a tough but fair journalo.
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Jasper wrote:
02 Jun 2020, 15:14
Just a general question, really...

We left CNN on long enough last night that Anderson Cooper came on.

Has he always editorialized for the first 5 - 10 minutes of his show? I mean, I was under the impression he was supposed to be a tough but fair journalo.
I think you're required to editorialize in this kind of situation to show what team you are on and that your serious minded or something. Even my project manager at work felt the need to so.

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Not sure about Cooper as there are always pockets, but broadly CNN is full resistance all the time.

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Every professional organization out there is currently releasing statements clarifying that they are opposed to racism. Why should CNN, Painboy's workplace, or the local 7-11 be any different?
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This wasn’t mealy-mouthed ‘we oppose racism’ stuff though. It was like straight-up calling Trump deranged. Something you’d hear Maddow say on her show.
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Oh.

Well,.Trump is deranged. He's at the syphilitic Roman Emperor stage, if not worse.

So it's accurate reporting.
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Yeah, team Thoreau.
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Jasper wrote:
02 Jun 2020, 18:54
This wasn’t mealy-mouthed ‘we oppose racism’ stuff though. It was like straight-up calling Trump deranged. Something you’d hear Maddow say on her show.
The difference is that Maddow did that for 25 minutes at the beginning of her show yesterday.
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JasonL wrote:
02 Jun 2020, 16:14
Not sure about Cooper as there are always pockets, but broadly CNN is full resistance all the time.
My Dad's been watching it, and now thinks that economic inequality in America is something that emerged under Trump. Brain rot for geriatrics.
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thoreau wrote:
02 Jun 2020, 16:18
Every professional organization out there is currently releasing statements clarifying that they are opposed to racism. Why should CNN, Painboy's workplace, or the local 7-11 be any different?
Goddammit Thoreau! I read this and decided to check my work email. Sure enough I have an email from my CEO stating that racism is wrong.
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:lol:
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Pham Nuwen wrote:
02 Jun 2020, 19:55
thoreau wrote:
02 Jun 2020, 16:18
Every professional organization out there is currently releasing statements clarifying that they are opposed to racism. Why should CNN, Painboy's workplace, or the local 7-11 be any different?
Goddammit Thoreau! I read this and decided to check my work email. Sure enough I have an email from my CEO stating that racism is wrong.
I checked the Twitter accounts of some fast food chains. No condemnation of racism yet.

Guess I'll have to avoid fast food.
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Ok, I can still enjoy Starbucks.

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thoreau wrote:
02 Jun 2020, 19:15
Well,.Trump is deranged. He's at the syphilitic Roman Emperor stage, if not worse.
Won't someone speak up for the Julio-Claudians?
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Pham Nuwen wrote:
02 Jun 2020, 19:55
thoreau wrote:
02 Jun 2020, 16:18
Every professional organization out there is currently releasing statements clarifying that they are opposed to racism. Why should CNN, Painboy's workplace, or the local 7-11 be any different?
Goddammit Thoreau! I read this and decided to check my work email. Sure enough I have an email from my CEO stating that racism is wrong.
I’m not sure I can convincingly call the US Army a professional organization (though we always do), but I have received no such emails. On the other hand, I try to avoid reading work emails.
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You heard it hear first folks. The Klan has taken over the army.
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thoreau wrote:
02 Jun 2020, 20:18
Ok, I can still enjoy Starbucks.




But their first draft

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I had a doctor's appointment today but I forgot to ask the physician for a copy of his diversity statement. He's not from this country so he might not be as appreciative of diversity as we Americans are. He needs to learn how to appreciate diversity so he can learn how to fit in.
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Highway wrote:
02 Jun 2020, 19:27
Jasper wrote:
02 Jun 2020, 18:54
This wasn’t mealy-mouthed ‘we oppose racism’ stuff though. It was like straight-up calling Trump deranged. Something you’d hear Maddow say on her show.
The difference is that Maddow did that for 25 minutes at the beginning of her show yesterday.
And spent the first 15 minutes of it reciting the history of 19th Century Appalachian rail development to set up her police misconduct metaphor.

Also yeah that's the thing with prime time news slots these days. As far as I can tell nobody starts with less than eight minutes of overwrought bloviating.
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Kolohe wrote:
02 Jun 2020, 23:00


But their first draft

Do I wanna put this behind the veil?

Ehn.

I feel a little bad for whoever in their staff is getting heat over this, because even if they meant what people instantly think, it's as true as if some barbeque chain said they'd be nowhere without black people. Can't really say who invented either, but black people did more than their share of bringing both to American culture at large. Without that, chain fried chicken and barbeque places couldn't exist. We just haven't had decades of racists going lol, black people sure do like BBQ.
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Now I'm wishing there was a national watermelon chain. Except the vegans would ruin it.
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Imagine you're Mike and Amanda, the new Social Media Specialists on the Popeye's Corporate Communications Team. You're so excited to be in this job, and you just got out of an inspiring webinar on Best Practices For Community Outreach In This Time Of Crisis. You know that one of the Three Key Themes is to assure the African American Community that they are your Most Important Stakeholders.

So you do.

Oops.
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Thoreau you ignorant slut.

Every square ass white guy (like me) knows Popeyes has the best fucking chicken. Get your learn on dammit.
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Truth.

Last year we tried Bojangle's chicken on the drive back north from FL, based on recc by Greg Doucette, a libertarianish lawyer with a good twitter feed that a few of you already seem to be familiar with.

Popeye's is better.
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