When journalism goes bad

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Well I mean who doesn't love a good pitchfork, but the tikinazis kinda ruined torches for a while.
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I made that joke just last week!
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But tikibars are sill kosher right? I do so like the ascetic of a tikibar that embrases the tacky.
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Warren wrote:
01 May 2020, 16:33
But tikibars are sill kosher right? I do so like the ascetic of a tikibar that embrases the tacky.
Is it the abstention or the self-discipline that attracts you?

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D.A. Ridgely wrote:
01 May 2020, 16:35
Warren wrote:
01 May 2020, 16:33
But tikibars are sill kosher right? I do so like the ascetic of a tikibar that embrases the tacky.
Is it the abstention or the self-discipline that attracts you?
I don't play by The Man's rules!
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Warren wrote:
01 May 2020, 16:39
D.A. Ridgely wrote:
01 May 2020, 16:35
Warren wrote:
01 May 2020, 16:33
But tikibars are sill kosher right? I do so like the ascetic of a tikibar that embrases the tacky.
Is it the abstention or the self-discipline that attracts you?
I don't play by The Man's rules!
Clearly not The Man's spelling rules.

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D.A. Ridgely wrote:
01 May 2020, 17:20
Warren wrote:
01 May 2020, 16:39
D.A. Ridgely wrote:
01 May 2020, 16:35
Warren wrote:
01 May 2020, 16:33
But tikibars are sill kosher right? I do so like the ascetic of a tikibar that embrases the tacky.
Is it the abstention or the self-discipline that attracts you?
I don't play by The Man's rules!
Clearly not The Man's spelling rules.
You can't spell shame me!
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Warren wrote:
01 May 2020, 18:35
D.A. Ridgely wrote:
01 May 2020, 17:20
Warren wrote:
01 May 2020, 16:39
D.A. Ridgely wrote:
01 May 2020, 16:35
Warren wrote:
01 May 2020, 16:33
But tikibars are sill kosher right? I do so like the ascetic of a tikibar that embrases the tacky.
Is it the abstention or the self-discipline that attracts you?
I don't play by The Man's rules!
Clearly not The Man's spelling rules.
You can't spell shame me!
Sure I can. S, h, a, m, e, space, m, e.

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Pham Nuwen wrote:
30 Apr 2020, 23:24
Dont lay your pc bullshit at my feet sir!
Hey, you gave "not people" as an option. That's not on me.
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Eric the .5b wrote:
01 May 2020, 18:41
Pham Nuwen wrote:
30 Apr 2020, 23:24
Dont lay your pc bullshit at my feet sir!
Hey, you gave "not people" as an option. That's not on me.
Damn that comma! The dumbest part of the english language. Why cant we just stream of consciousness?

As always, I blame Warren.
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Pham Nuwen wrote:
01 May 2020, 19:22
Eric the .5b wrote:
01 May 2020, 18:41
Pham Nuwen wrote:
30 Apr 2020, 23:24
Dont lay your pc bullshit at my feet sir!
Hey, you gave "not people" as an option. That's not on me.
Damn that comma! The dumbest part of the english language. Why cant we just stream of consciousness?

As always, I blame Warren.
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*narrows eyes*

You know what you did ...
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Pham Nuwen wrote:
01 May 2020, 19:32
*narrows eyes*

You know what you did ...
Of course. But I did so many things.
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For you, it was Tuesday?
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Warren wrote:
01 May 2020, 16:33
But tikibars are sill kosher right? I do so like the ascetic of a tikibar that embrases the tacky.
Surprisingly, they're not kosher, but they are both halaal and lent-compliant.
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lunchstealer wrote:
02 May 2020, 15:24
Warren wrote:
01 May 2020, 16:33
But tikibars are sill kosher right? I do so like the ascetic of a tikibar that embrases the tacky.
Surprisingly, they're not kosher, but they are both halaal and lent-compliant.
Good enough for me.
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How Greenwich Republicans Learned to Love Trump

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Wtf did I just read
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As Radley Balko calls it, the exonerative tense gets used a lot for police violence.
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nicole wrote:
04 May 2020, 21:38
Wtf did I just read
Those god damned libertarians! It's their fault. It's always their fault. If it wasn't for the libertarians we would have Trump today.
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Yeah, I don't know. Maybe active/passive voice is a thing. But I don't see that it buys anything at all.
A police officer struck a bystander, knocking him to the ground.
A bystander was struck and knocked to the ground by a police officer.
You're telling me those read different? Like at all? Not to me they don't.
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Warren wrote:
31 May 2020, 14:58
Yeah, I don't know. Maybe active/passive voice is a thing. But I don't see that it buys anything at all.
A police officer struck a bystander, knocking him to the ground.
A bystander was struck and knocked to the ground by a police officer.
You're telling me those read different? Like at all? Not to me they don't.
There is a difference in feel, especially because you have to get through the important part and people skimming things don't get to the end. And that's just when they add the last clause on. Most of the time, "by a police officer" isn't present. Just "A bystander was struck and knocked to the ground".
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Not that I don't do it all the time (okay, not that it's not done by me all the time), but as a general rule journalists should not use the passive voice except when the object of the action is deemed more important than the subject. The active voice is more direct and typically uses fewer words. I don't know what the Times' style manual requires or whether there's some even trivially nefarious intention driving those examples, but the Times isn't as well edited as it once was and that's as likely an explanation as anything else if we're only going on a handful of examples.

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Highway wrote:
31 May 2020, 15:07
There is a difference in feel
Not to my mind. The two convey exactly the same information
...especially because you have to get through the important part and people skimming things don't get to the end.
I don't think changing voice is the answer to people being illiterate morons.
And that's just when they add the last clause on. Most of the time, "by a police officer" isn't present. Just "A bystander was struck and knocked to the ground".
That's different. That's not merely a change in voice.
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