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Re: When journalism goes bad

Post by Andrew » 09 Nov 2018, 15:11

Jasper wrote:
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It more just came to mean “lying,” which is dumb because the point was to describe something much more specific than that.
No, my dear, you're mistaken. It's always only meant lying. You must be confused.
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Post by Painboy » 14 Nov 2018, 11:59

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/20 ... /38452267/
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Post by JD » 07 Dec 2018, 14:23

Rarely has there been a better example of Betteridge's Law: Does Trump Even Understand How Tariffs Work?
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Post by Jennifer » 09 Dec 2018, 16:20

The first time I said this I meant it as a joke, but now I'm kinda thinking it might be for real: Trump seems to think the game of Monopoly describes how economics actually works -- "mutually beneficial trade" and "prosperous, peaceful economic co-existence" are not possible, because the only way you can win is for everybody else to lose.
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Post by thoreau » 09 Dec 2018, 18:27

Maybe he'll go away if we agree to let him first use eminent domain to claim Boardwalk and Park Place?
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Post by JD » 14 Dec 2018, 14:39

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/20 ... 300383002/ :
Fintech investing platform Robinhood on Thursday introduced its own no-fee checking and savings products that earns 3 percent. That is three-quarters of a point higher than the next-best available rate and thousands of times higher than what the big banks provide.
"Thousands of times higher"??? That would mean that the big banks are paying less than .003%. Interest rates are low, but they're not that low. According to the very same article,
The national savings rate on deposits under $100,000 is 0.09 percent, per the FDIC. It’s even lower – 0.06 percent – on interest checking accounts.
3 / 0.06 is 50, not "thousands". I guess that's what you get for taking financial advice from America's Coloring Book Newspaper.
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Post by Mo » 15 Dec 2018, 12:42

I wonder what goes into that calculation. Chase, Wells and BofA offer 0.01% (presumably rounded up) on checking. So it’s closer to 3-600x from the big guys.
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Post by Warren » 15 Dec 2018, 17:23

The checking and savings products are not technically bank accounts. They are separate balances held within a Robinhood brokerage account. Your checking and savings funds are not FDIC-insured.
Fuck that noise. My bank pays 1% on a FDIC insured checking account.
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Post by Mo » 16 Dec 2018, 07:24

Robinhood had to pull it down after implying it was covered by SIPC protection, when the SIPC hadn’t been contacted and no such protection was guaranteed.

Robinhood Will Retool Checking Product Following Scrutiny https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... g-scrutiny
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Post by Mo » 20 Dec 2018, 07:52

The NY Times has officially run out of place to do, “36 hours in...” Anaheim is fine, but not worthy to a dedicated travel article. Also, Sunday takes part right in my childhood backyard and they miss the most interesting restaurant and the nature center highlighted is pretty lame.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/20/trav ... aheim.html
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Post by Mo » 06 Jan 2019, 08:34

I don’t think I’ve seen this little self-awareness in a human being since Dojito developed object permanence. Yes NYTimes political reporters, please tell us how bad granting anonymity to powerful people so they can push their agenda is. A senior administration official thinks you’re totally right
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Post by Eric the .5b » 06 Jan 2019, 15:28

Mo wrote:
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I don’t think I’ve seen this little self-awareness in a human being since Dojito developed object permanence. Yes NYTimes political reporters, please tell us how bad granting anonymity to powerful people so they can push their agenda is. A senior administration official thinks you’re totally right
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Post by Warren » 06 Jan 2019, 15:33

Eric the .5b wrote:
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Mo wrote:
06 Jan 2019, 08:34
I don’t think I’ve seen this little self-awareness in a human being since Dojito developed object permanence. Yes NYTimes political reporters, please tell us how bad granting anonymity to powerful people so they can push their agenda is. A senior administration official thinks you’re totally right
Ow. Can we get some extensive skin grafts for that burn?

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Post by Mo » 16 Jan 2019, 04:33

NBC had to be shamed into characterizing Steve King's comments racist.
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Post by Mo » 16 Jan 2019, 15:55

Some dudes called Laura Loomer pretending to be Twitter execs telling her that CAIR got her kicked off Twitter. She fell for it, because of course she did. The crazy thing is she peddled it to the WSJ and they published it uncritically and “stand by their reporting”.

https://www.gq.com/story/wall-street-jo ... wing-prank
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Post by Mo » 08 Feb 2019, 08:22

This is more about "journalism". How the hell did AMI think Bezos would respond when his marriage was already dissolving because of the Enquirer stories? They're dealing with the richest dude in the world who now has a chip on his shoulder. I wouldn't be surprised if he went Gawker on them, burned them to the ground, bought the assets and then revealed all internal comms.

On another note, how fucking stupid is AMI?
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Post by Jennifer » 08 Feb 2019, 14:04

Mo wrote:
08 Feb 2019, 08:22
This is more about "journalism". How the hell did AMI think Bezos would respond when his marriage was already dissolving because of the Enquirer stories? They're dealing with the richest dude in the world who now has a chip on his shoulder. I wouldn't be surprised if he went Gawker on them, burned them to the ground, bought the assets and then revealed all internal comms.

On another note, how fucking stupid is AMI?
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I saw speculation -- IIRC on Julian Sanchez's Twitter feed, though I don't feel like double-checking -- that it's massive arrogance. Namely, that this is not remotely the first time AMI has pulled a blackmaily stunt like this, but they've done it so often that they are used to it, and didn't even think to take such basic precautions as "Don't leave a paper or electronic trail, dimwit."

I tend to agree with that theory: they've pulled shit like this SCADS of times before, only Bezos wouldn't bite the way the others did.
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Post by Mo » 08 Feb 2019, 14:32

Also, don’t host your content on the same man’s servers. What is interesting is that theoretically, Bezos could Gawker them, but their assets and, even if they delete it, make a claim on the cached logs and put Pecker in an uncomfortable position.

Yes, we’re still doing phrasing.
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Post by Warren » 08 Feb 2019, 14:34

Heh heh "Pecker" heh heh [/butthead]
I don't see why extortion is a crime in the first place. But no matter, this story is popcorn worthy on it's own. I love it when the circus comes to CNBC.
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Also, don’t host your content on the same man’s servers. What is interesting is that theoretically, Bezos could Gawker them, but their assets and, even if they delete it, make a claim on the cached logs and put Pecker in an uncomfortable position.
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Re: When journalism goes bad

Post by Aresen » 08 Feb 2019, 14:41

Honestly, unless you are a Blue doing buttsex with Trump or a Red doing the same with Pelosi (she's the top), I don't know what is considered scandalous anymore.
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Post by Jennifer » 08 Feb 2019, 14:56

I have a vague memory of a long-ago article in SPY Magazine, which used to be famous for its SPY pranks. The background was this: when Bill Clinton was running for president for the first time, there was a lot of media coverage about him being the first Baby Boomer president, and more youthful than typical stodgy politicos, and also he lives an active lifestyle and goes jogging and etc., and at one point, either Candidate Clinton or President Clinton told reporters that New Balance jogging shoes were his favorite.

So SPY did a prank: made up a fake advertising agency, complete with a dedicated phone number and fancy letterhead and everything. Then they sent letters to various corporate ad executives, and the gist of the letter was "Hi, we're an ad agency that specializes in having celebrities endorse our clients' products. The enclosed news article shows what we can do for you." And the envelope included a copy of the for-reals news article with Clinton praising New Balance. (The purpose of the prank was to see how many corporate-types would take the bait. The answer was: almost all of them.)

But I recall admiring the subtlety (or whatever the word is) of how the offer was handled: if such an ad agency were real, getting politicians to "candidly" endorse various products during news interviews, it would of course be a HUGE scandal if word of it got out-- so the "ad agency" very wisely did NOT send a letter explicitly saying "Hey, we arranged for Bill Clinton to praise New Balance sneakers, and we can have him do the same for your product as well." If any of the would-be clients wanted to expose the ad agency's shenanigans, that vague letter plus the apparently unrelated news article would not be sufficient.

If AIM wanted to blackmail Bezos -- which of course would be immoral and wrong regardless, but "immoral and wrong" does not necessarily have to be synonymous with "stupid" -- why the hell didn't they do it more subtly, along the lines of those SPY pranksters? Like a letter saying "Dear Mr. Bezos, at your earliest convenience we would like to meet with you to discuss certain concerns we have regarding your operations," sent in the same envelope as those incriminating photos or whatever?
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Post by Warren » 09 Feb 2019, 13:06

These are the "hot sheets"?
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When journalism goes bad

Post by Mo » 09 Feb 2019, 18:04

The Post has the best investigative reporters out there because they read Bezos’ Medium Post?

Also, if Bezos’ dude is right, the Enquirer was just laundering Saudi spy craft.
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Post by Jennifer » 10 Feb 2019, 16:41

Various local (Atlanta-area) news sites have been running stories about shitloads of prostitutes being arrested -- sorry, "human trafficking victims" being "rescued." Like this one from the "Patch" I saw on Facebook today: "More than 160 arrested in Super Bowl human trafficking operation," subheadline "Nine juveniles and nine adults were rescued during an 11-day federal, state and local takedown."

https://patch.com/georgia/atlanta/more- ... 7rpt8irBWU

I posted this comment on the Patch's Facebook page: "The article is unclear: were those 18 "rescued victims" included among the number of people arrested? What happened to the sex workers in question -- where are they now? I hope their "rescue" did not entail them being imprisoned and saddled with a criminal record."
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